Disney General - The saddest fandom on Earth

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I understand the context, I just didn't think the movie was all that great. Same with most of phase 2 and afterwards; I turned off Civil War halfway thru watching it because I simply got bored with it, for example.

Probably most people who love it, haven't seen it for many many years. Hence the context of when it came out.

 

[X-avier cuck]

you can tell the other ricans consider him "white on the inside" because he was literally pushed into lockers and thrown in trashcans as a kid. he's a lot more american than a minority and he's extremely assimilated

even libs admit that was embarrassing and people only liked it because liberals will love anything ethnic coded. "you look like you got really into hamilton" was used as a major insult on SNL recently. That should tell you how bad that entire era is looked at now. in general much like a hard-on for israel, being a fan of non-trap/dril rap is very "middle age" coded which is why you mainly saw white millennials being all about the super bowl half time show.

I feel like this is a take of somebody who was on the outside looking in and wasn't really there to see all this stuff happen first hand.

Personally, I can relate to feeling like an outsider. Growing up as a black guy from the South, my passions for animation, comics, and video games often made me a target for ridicule within my own community

Fast forward to the 2010s and the same people have forced themselves into the spacious and kicked many of us out, so this isn't ubiquitous to Miranda himself.

Secondly, people misunderstand why Miranda stuff was popular in the first place which is why no one has ever really been able to replicate the success of Hamilton while he himself is still able to produce successful things to this day.

LMM is a self admitted traditionalist when it comes to musical theater so even though in the Heights and Hamilton feature minorities these stories that they tell can resonate with literally anybody which is why Hamilton has fans all across the world and even across political spectrums.

In the Heights is just the story of a neighborhood in New York not much different than something like Hey Arnold, while Hamilton when you boil it down to its most basic story structure is about an outsider trying to prove himself.

Encanto is about being the black sheep of a large family and it doesn't even matter that their Colombian they just are.

Now contrast this with something that was attempting to emulate that success with Emilia Perez which is so convoluted that the main pieces is about a cartel drug lord becoming a trans girl boss but it's still an outwardly horrible person through and through yet the film forces us to think that this is a complex individual and not an absolute stain on society.


We can tie this to Disney too with Asha who they described as being a black Latino activist... Annnnnnd that's her only trait.

There is nothing in any of these movies that endears you to these characters and you're just supposed to clap because they're a minority even though they cause more harm than good in their respective plot lines.


Both movies are also equally despised by literally everybody too for these exact same reasons.

A quality story will always triumph over something that is just trying to pander even if people will try to claim otherwise.

I'm also not trying to argue that people need to like things be it Hamilton or Kendrick Lamar, but I feel like we are at a point where we need to point out what things like this did right and why everything that's trying to emulate them is failing and making our media worse.

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

Then besides Ultron, the Marvel films hit their stride. It was fully established and reliably decent.

Yeah, phase one and two was a lot more miss than hit. This was before they were able to sand down the edges so you had a lot of films with different things going on. Outside of ironman/the avengers the rest of them weren't very quipy and had different stuff going on. Thor being a fish out of water, Captain America a WW2 fantasy movie, hulk, and quipy ironman, the weird GOTG, and the heist film ant man.

Winter soldier is considered a highlight because it was beyond the usual slop the MCU was making at the time. Once phase 3 hits they're all good films. And each make a billion dollars.

 

[X-avier cuck]

The problem with the MCU is that they didn't really have a big grand scheme after Endgame since that was more or less the finale to everything that was built up.

Everything after that is trying to recreate the magic while simultaneously ignoring that the concept of big budget superhero movies and crossovers in general are just tired now.

This is also related to what I said earlier, a lot of the heroes being created now are basically just there to not really be characters but just be check marks and the dialogue that they have reflects that.

I will never forget that clumsy Biracial activist villain from Falcon and Winter soldier and how the series tries to both sides the situation.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

I've been meaning to post this in this thread, but I saw A Goofy Movie in full recently. Dated as all hell? Yes. Better than it has any right to be? Also yes. One of the most down-to-earth and realistic portrayals of a father-adolescent son relationship not just in terms of Disney, but in animation in general. Also I2I is one of the few fake pop songs that could legit make a killing as an actual pop song. 7.5/10, would crash a Powerline concert again

 

[X-avier cuck]

The Goofy movie is the definition of a passion project because it wasn't even developed by the main Walt Disney animated studio and was done by their TV animation division.

Toontariq did an interview with a few of the animators a couple of years ago, and many of them stated that they had to fight to keep things from being to corporate since Michael Eisner wanted to recast Bill farmer as goofy for the film and have some random celebrity play him.

They pulled from their own personal experiences and to cut down costs even model characters like Roxanne off of Ariel to keep costs down so the movie wouldn't get axed.

They didn't really have much support from Disney so the fact that it is still so beloved after all these years shows how great of the film it is

 

[Trianon]

Michael Eisner wanted to recast Bill farmer as goofy for the film and have some random celebrity play him.

This is one of my favorite stories too. They weren't convinced he could do the Goofy voice and bring the emotional gravitas the story needed, and so they just had him do the lines to prove it would work.

 

[Captain Syrup]

I've been meaning to post this in this thread, but I saw A Goofy Movie in full recently.

Never had a crush on Roxanne, she didn't spark anything in me.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Never had a crush on Roxanne, she didn't spark anything in me.

...as she shouldn't because she's a fuckin' cartoon animal

 

[ShitLurker]

They turned Darkwing Duck into Negaduck and also turned Webby into literally Scrooge's female clone

Wait WHAT?!

 

[Mac Monster]

...as she shouldn't because she's a fuckin' cartoon animal

She doesn't really look like an animal. Outside of her weird nose, she just looks like a normal person.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

Wait WHAT?!

she girlbossin

 

[BlerdBjern]

This been posted yet?

(Edit: yes it was, but I'm keeping it up anyway, because it's great.)

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

She doesn't really look like an animal. Outside of her weird nose, she just looks like a normal person.
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[XYZpdq Jr.]

wow wtf perving on Roxanne from Goof Troop?
that's fucked up
everybody knows Peg was the real piece of ass on that show

 

[Lone MacReady II]

This been posted yet?

(Edit: yes it was, but I'm keeping it up anyway, because it's great.)

Snow White Mystery Meat. The chick's skin color is in her name, and these kikes are so set to "propagandize" they just can't be accurate.

 

[Athena Loves Kiwis]

The fact that they could have had representation and still made Snow White's appearance consistent with her name by simply hiring an Asian chick just makes it obvious that the decision was made entirely for outrage marketing.



Also, I was just reading an article about this cracked out '80s Oscars opening with Snow White that Disney sued the Academy over.

Spoiler: Snow in the '80s

The ratings for the 1989 Oscars weren't just very good; they were spectacular. What's more, they had reversed a five-year slide. The telecast was viewed by no fewer than 42.7 million people in 26.9 million homes in the United States, earning a 29.8 rating (which network executives would die for today). "There was a feeling we owned the town," Kahn recalls.

But Kahn's glee would be cut short that morning by a phone call from Frank Wells, president of the Walt Disney Company. "Frank, how are you?" asked Kahn, expecting him to say something nice about the previous night's show.

"Dick," Wells said, "we got a problem." He went on to explain that the appearance of Snow White had not been approved by Disney. In fact, no one from the Academy had even asked for permission. "We're very unhappy, we at Disney," Wells said.
...
There would be more phone calls from Disney executives to Richard Kahn. Before the end of business Thursday, the Walt Disney Company slapped the Academy with a federal lawsuit charging that the Oscar telecast of March 29, 1989, had abused and irreparably damaged the studio's 52-year-old Snow White character. It asked for unspecified damages for "copyright infringement, unfair competition, and dilution of business reputation."

Together with Kahn, ABC vice president John Hamlin found himself astonished by Disney's legal broadside. As he told The Wall Street Journal when asked about his network's show, "I had always surmised Disney would be very pleased. Disney loves promotion of Disney characters."

https://lamag.com/news/snow-job

"...abused and irreparably damaged the studio's 52-year-old Snow White character." LOL. Well, Disney used to be protective of her reputation. But here's an interview with Bruce Vilanch saying that the Oscars did clear it with Disney and that they deliberately changed her design to avoid copyright users.

Spoiler: Silly fat guy

...I mean it was it was a manufactured outrage that was started by a man named Frank Wells who is now dead who was running Disney at the time, and he was very upset that they used the Snow White character without appropriation from Disney and the fact is Snow White is in
the public domain and always has been and they were very careful to make sure the costume was not even identical to Snow White's
and it was vetted by lawyers at the Academy lawyers at ABC and lawyers at Disney but that wasn't enough for Frank Wells. Frank Wells went to the Academy and lodged a formal complaint and as a result they weren't going to get into a trademark dispute with Disney, so they had an investigation and on and on and on it went and this just got more and more press...
...
and I always thought that it that the real reason was because at the time the Academy wouldn't let any of the studios advertise any current movies on the show because they didn't want to imply an endorsement from the Academy and Disney was opening a theme park with MGM in Florida and they wanted commercials and the academy wouldn't let them use commercials wouldn't let them buy commercials and so they did an end run around the Academy and they made a deal with Chevy and the Chevy commercials were shot at the Disney MGM Studios and the Snow White number ended and the first thing you saw was Snow White's castle at the Disney Studios MGM theme park and Snow White coming out of a Chevy and doing a number and I think that's what incensed Frank Wells. I think he was really, really pissed off.

Funny that the end result had her looking and acting more like the original than the current official Disney live-action version.

 

[Papa stink]

The fact that they could have had representation and still made Snow White's appearance consistent with her name by simply hiring an Asian chick just makes it obvious that the decision was made entirely for outrage marketing.

Haven't you heard? The church of wokeness no longer considers Asians diverse enough. That's why they put a black samurai in imperial Japan and twisted history to justify it.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

They could've found a white Latina, but nah, they had to go with tan and she has the most punchable face on top of that.

 

[crunchy bits are the best]

Why is Mud Brown in my Snow White movie? It's obvious that the writers never cared about the original story and a lot of people are still drinking the Disney slop 'cause "it's Disney and they can never go wrong."