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Which is Better

  • Chicken Little

    Votes: 433 27.5%
  • Hunchback 2

    Votes: 57 3.6%
  • A slow death

    Votes: 1,087 68.9%

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    1,577
Ditto Disney's The Black Hole, which did so poorly, they might as well have thrown the movie into a black hole. I do think if the movie didn't have that stupid scene where the heroes were running in front of that flaming boulder, and didn't ignore the fact that people have to breathe in space, it would have done a lot better. I liked it. I even liked the ending, which at least strove to do something different.
Black Hole is such a wonderful little film. My favorite aspect has to be the robots. Vincent and Bob have so much charm thanks to their voice actors and the puppets used to portray them, while Maximilian has a really badass and foreboding design. The ending is really weird, with the hellish and heavenly visuals coming out of nowhere.
 
I want to point out, disney apparently now wants to appeal to the "boys", but its pretty weird that even with all the remakes and remasters and third wall breaks and meta references and whatever, they still refuse to acknowledge either atlantis or treasure planet's existence.

Its kind of a good thing I mean, since it means these two are safe from being molested by disney's slop machine, but its still weird.
All the early 2000s animated action films bombed and now we are stuck with faggy grubhub slop.
 
I've mentioned before that I live in Nipland and I've taken visitors to DisneySea a couple times now. One of those friends is returning in December and she's really excited to go back to DisneySea, saying it's an absolute must. Mind you, she didn't even care about any Disney park very much before we went. It's the most excited about Disney I've seen someone in a long, long time. Makes me wonder if the US parks are going to be forever ruined for me because the international parks are just knocking it out of the park so hard.
Part of that is due to the constant state of maintenance, upgrading, and retheming that the parks go under, DCA is losing a Monsters Inc. ride (which itself is a retheme for the godawful Superstar Limo ride) for a small Avatar-themed area/attraction combo while many of the rides at Disneyland need refurbishing with Big Thunder Mountain Railroad currently undergoing some major work.

Another thing that helps with the international parks is that, at least in Tokyo Disneyland and Tokyo DisneySea’s case, they’re operated by the Oriental Land Company via a license that Disney likes to keep despite some pushback and legal work that prevents Disney Parks from importing rides to parks outside of Japan.
 
I stayed at the Grand Floridan recently and it was... rough. Whats worse is all the retheming and remodeling somehow look worse than what was there originally, and cheaper too. The whole redesign feels like a cheap but new Asian hotel that costs $75 a night. LEDs and pastel trendy furniture everywhere, slick, new but is cheap and gives me uncanny valley. Its anything but luxurious. Felt more like an aLoft chain hotel. Carpet in main lobby areas looked worn, there was visible debris and dirt in corners on the stairs, like someone was too lazy to clean there.

The rooms used to have full carpet in them but now its been replaced with cheap ceramic tile made to look like wood with an abstract design area rug under the beds thats too small. Its very cold, theres no character and the new furniture feels and looks like it came from AliExpress. The paintings on the wall look like AI art with a plain brushed gold simple frame like something from HomeGoods. There are Westin and Kimpton properties that have better theming, decor and quality than whatever the Grand Floridian has devolved into. Im well traveled and I have gotten higher quality hotels in multiple corners of the world for way less, think $100-300/night in major cities. Breakfast buffet style is usually worked in those too.

In the past they had real hardwood furniture that cost a pretty penny to make, full carpets made it sound less echoy in the rooms. It was expensive but definitely stood out. The theming also flowed better, old American style, 1910s. Now its like if someone bought a historical property and slapped a fresh coat of paint on it and lazily bought cheap furniture and decor with zero thought or attention to detail.
 
All this talk about the Grand Floridian reminds me of Bright Sun Travels doing a breakdown on it about a year ago, including its history. I’ve never been to GF, but it admittedly still makes me pretty sad that the bastards at Disney just threw out their orchestra after they’d worked for them for 32 years.
The comments are pretty great too.
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I stayed at the Grand Floridan recently and it was... rough. Whats worse is all the retheming and remodeling somehow look worse than what was there originally, and cheaper too. The whole redesign feels like a cheap but new Asian hotel that costs $75 a night. LEDs and pastel trendy furniture everywhere, slick, new but is cheap and gives me uncanny valley. Its anything but luxurious. Felt more like an aLoft chain hotel. Carpet in main lobby areas looked worn, there was visible debris and dirt in corners on the stairs, like someone was too lazy to clean there.

The rooms used to have full carpet in them but now its been replaced with cheap ceramic tile made to look like wood with an abstract design area rug under the beds thats too small. Its very cold, theres no character and the new furniture feels and looks like it came from AliExpress. The paintings on the wall look like AI art with a plain brushed gold simple frame like something from HomeGoods. There are Westin and Kimpton properties that have better theming, decor and quality than whatever the Grand Floridian has devolved into. Im well traveled and I have gotten higher quality hotels in multiple corners of the world for way less, think $100-300/night in major cities. Breakfast buffet style is usually worked in those too.

In the past they had real hardwood furniture that cost a pretty penny to make, full carpets made it sound less echoy in the rooms. It was expensive but definitely stood out. The theming also flowed better, old American style, 1910s. Now its like if someone bought a historical property and slapped a fresh coat of paint on it and lazily bought cheap furniture and decor with zero thought or attention to detail.

Supposedly, Disney has a lot of clientele that are retarded, and they book extremely expensive rooms at places with names like "Disney's Boardwalk Inn" and "Disney's Polynesian Village", which have existed for several decades and have info about them freely available, without ever looking at them or being aware that Disney is known for themed hotels.

Then they wander in and are horrified to find the Grand Floridian doesn't look like a Comfort Inn. They immediately go to the front desk to demand the hotel be made more cheap and boring.

So they've been removing theming from the hotels to keep up with customer eagerness for boring and unthemed hotels despite said customers insisting on booking themed hotels.

At least that's what I've been told whenever the topic of the hotels comes up and people try and talk with their heads shoved up Disney's ass. .
 
Then they wander in and are horrified to find the Grand Floridian doesn't look like a Comfort Inn. They immediately go to the front desk to demand the hotel be made more cheap and boring.

So they've been removing theming from the hotels to keep up with customer eagerness for boring and unthemed hotels despite said customers insisting on booking themed hotels.
If true, fucking WHY?! Who dumps a bunch of money into a tropical resort vacation and is like “Egads! This isn’t nearly generic enough! I am out of my element!!” What causes this? The rise of the sad beige moms and tiktok remodelers who paint over antique hardwood? Were they given lobotomies in their sleep? Are they genuinely that retarded? I just can’t even begin to wrap my head around that thought process!
I want to believe it’s Disney just being cheap as hell and cutting corners because then I can keep some of my faith in humanity.
 
Then they wander in and are horrified to find the Grand Floridian doesn't look like a Comfort Inn. They immediately go to the front desk to demand the hotel be made more cheap and boring.
Assuming this is true, they have still failed. Take a look a the Orlando Four Seasons:
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Yeah its boring but 100x more luxurious than the new Grand Floridian. They hired a real interior designer and thoughtfully put together the rooms. The soft warm led lightings are a nice touch. Thats real wood furniture with nice chairs and comfy bedding. Just by looking at it, I can tell theres substance.

Its a fucking theme park, not a luxury hotel but even so, Disney could have just made certain rooms themed and sold it as an upcharge, but I suspect they are too cheap to even shell out extra for themed decor. The lighting in the GF room was bright white led, it was all quite harsh on the eyes.
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For referance is the Yacht and Beach Club rooms;
Old Style on the left. New room style on the right
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Pretty light on theming, the beds have a captains wheel motif on the frame, plus ship pictures but thats it.

Guarantee you some bean counter found out that cheap ceramic tile flooring saves 3 minutes off housekeeping cleaning time because now they can just sweep and save on carpet cleaning supplies by eliminating them from the rooms. 3 minutes x 500 rooms means you save 25 hours on cleaning and justify cutting 20% of maid staff.

I loathe ceramic tile flooring. Especially millennial gray tile. Its not a bad choice for a budget remodel but Ive noticed theres a significant increase in sound. It makes everything louder and sound like a tin can if theres no large area rugs to dampen the sound. Not just from the outside but also inside, dropping a pen on a carpet vs ceramic times makes a huge difference, especially for suitcases or with kids. Quiet is associated with luxury. This kind of thoughtful attention has been replaced with a race to the bottom in terms of costs.

I will add that in the era of AI, theres no excuse for poor interior design at these price points. I can stage a room with zero furniture to test designs and see how I can play with the lighting. Its the peak of laziness.
 
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I loathe ceramic tile flooring. Especially millennial gray tile. Its not a bad choice for a budget remodel but Ive noticed theres a significant increase in sound. It makes everything louder and sound like a tin can if theres no large area rugs to dampen the sound. Not just from the outside but also inside, dropping a pen on a carpet vs ceramic times makes a huge difference, especially for suitcases or with kids. Quiet is associated with luxury. This kind of thoughtful attention has been replaced with a race to the bottom in terms of costs.
seriously tile is some total fucking bullshit
 
I’ll have to get some photos of the Grand Californian’s lobby because that shit still looks like a mountain lodge despite Disney’s cutbacks affecting other areas of the resort.

Maybe I’ll get ‘em at the end of the month, I’ll be going to the parks with a friend and he insists on having breakfast at Storytellers Cafe.
seriously tile is some total fucking bullshit
Agreed, even cheap overnight pet-friendly motels have fucking carpeting in their rooms.
 
If true, fucking WHY?! Who dumps a bunch of money into a tropical resort vacation and is like “Egads! This isn’t nearly generic enough! I am out of my element!!” What causes this? The rise of the sad beige moms and tiktok remodelers who paint over antique hardwood? Were they given lobotomies in their sleep? Are they genuinely that retarded? I just can’t even begin to wrap my head around that thought process!
I want to believe it’s Disney just being cheap as hell and cutting corners because then I can keep some of my faith in humanity.

I believe Disney is just cheap, but I know people like that exist. I would like to think it's not that many people. But some of them just expect everything to look the same and are unable to tolerate anything but what's trendy right now (and bland is soooooo in!).

The Boardwalk Inn has a pool area that is supposed to look like a carnival. The pool bar is the carousel, complete with the colorful top you would expect. I have seen someone unironically claim it's tacky and Disney should dim the colors. On the carousel. In a carnival area. On a boardwalk. Meant to look like a classical boardwalk. If there was any scenario where bright colors should be acceptable it would be that, but apparently bright colors are just inherently bad to this person.

It scares me to think how many people are out there, wanting the brightness sucked out of everything.
 
You just have to look at what they're building. Generic nice hotel.


Of course we all know you really just need a place to sleep that is conveniently near enough to the parks. I would say concerns over a nice hotel are probably less at Disney than in a new city because convience of hanging out in the hotel. Nice surroundings, somewhere easy for meals is not really an issue.
 
You just have to look at what they're building. Generic nice hotel. [Disney Riviera]
My parents stayed here a few months ago. They loved Topalinos Terrace which was quite expensive but lived up to the price. Primo Piatto was another place they liked, said it had a good French inspired breakfast meals.

Bright Sun Travels got a weird room so I couldn't compare it apples to apples. The rooms there are fine and, what every Disney resort should be and has been in the past, but were charging insane premium prices for it. Far more than what the actual room was worth. Theming was weird. It was a mix between Rapunzel and Peter Pan of all things. Peter Pan is British so not sure how the French Riviera ties in with that. My biggest complaint now with Disney is them shoving in their crappy IP characters in places where they didn't belong. Felt like I was in the toy aisle in Target. They're not creative with it either, just slap Incredibles or something else on a ride and retheme it to sell more toys and crap. I guess it makes sense when their target audience is consoomer-brained-manbaby-adults and not families with children. When you look at it through that lens, things make more sense, but still, whatever luxury the premium line hotels used to have is nonexistent now.

Curbside appeal is dismal. Looks like prefab apartments with a different roofline and some angles to make it appear different. I never expected Disney to ever commit to actually making a French Riviera style resort in the 2020s, they are too cheap for that and it shows. Even Vegas strip resorts look better than the Riviera from the outside.
 
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Some people are bringing up how Disney already has a brown princess that could fit, Elena from some Sofia the First spinoff show. I have no idea if she’s interesting enough for a full movie, but it’d probably be better than this.
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Some people are bringing up how Disney already has a brown princess that could fit, Elena from some Sofia the First spinoff show. I have no idea if she’s interesting enough for a full movie, but it’d probably be better than this.
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Disney is going to be making a lot of remakes of their animated movies from the 30s through the 60s not because they've run out of ideas or are running out of movies to remake but to fight back against their classic films entering public domain over the next 20 years. Snow White is entering Public Domain in 2033 and that's just the beginning. Mickey's first modern depiction in Fantasia will be Public Domain in 2036 so expect Disney to pivot away from using Mickey Mouse over the next decade. This is the nightmare Disney has been fighting since the 70s and now they don't have the political clout to push copyright past the 95 year limit anymore.
 
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