Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

JDS said:
More like to "new NATO with Ukraine in it", "new NATO based around Ukraine", something along these lines, he said it before
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The source of my confusion was what Z says around 7:50 in that video, he says something about how the 'quickest way' to obtain a security guarantee would be to get Ukraine into NATO but not all NATO countries are on his side on that issue (no shit, I can't imagine why...), so 'nobody is pushing' and 'if not NATO then let's build NATO in Ukraine' being his position, citing supposed European readiness to put contingents on the ground (fat chance lol).

I guess it doesn't actually matter though. It's been obvious well before this point that neither of the above has got any realistic chance of happening, and if Zelensky actually earnestly believes what he's still saying after unceremoniously getting tossed out from the Oval Office, he's clearly operating on some epic cocaine-fueled delusional (il)logic.
 
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Kola said:
Turbo based, somebody needs to push cokenigger back, he's used to everyone around him being a limpwristed pushover, he's surprised when met with the barest minimum resistance.
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FTFY; Quit baitin' or you'll go blind, boy.

After three years of seeing Zelensky on tour, visiting world leaders while looking like a slob and a bum, to receive standing ovations and then demand money and weapons out of our nations as if he's owed something. After all that, this was the first time I've seen any Western world leader push him into his corner and remind him of his place on the totem pole, right in front of the press.
 
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EscapeVorkuta said:
Democracy only works in a homogenous country where the voting rights are restricted to the land owners that have participated in the military defense of their homeland. The current perverse form of democracy we have is tyranny of the stupid and degenerate.
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We literally have a cattle class who's entire purpose in life is to vote Democrat. Bughives are like super dense chicken farms doing the bare minimum to keep livestock alive and producing votes.
 
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Gregis said:
Please do not apologize, I am very grateful for your input! I essentially strolled in and asked to be spoonfed the understanding I could have gained by simply reading the last 100 pages of both threads, or doing other research.
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And to add one last thing.
Don't buy narrative that "Russia will be done by autumn" from the other thread, take it with a grain of salt.
These predictions where so abundant that they had eventually became a meme
The same thing has been said on multiple locations for the last three years and still we are here.
 
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Chuckwagon said:
Are we actually going to end up witnessing the dawn of a Russo-American alliance against globohomo neomarxist-neolib faggotry by the end of spring, 2025? Because it feels like Zelensky, people like Nuland and the Eurocuck leaders are striving mightily and straight up speedrunning to make it happen.
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MAYBE
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Fake but anything could happen in this timeline
 
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JDS said:
And to add one last thing.
Don't buy narrative that "Russia will be done by autumn" from the other thread, take it with a grain of salt.
These predictions where so abundant that they had eventually became a meme
The same thing has been said on multiple locations for the last three years and still we are here.
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If today was any indication then the Russians will be done by autumn because they'll be vacationing on their new (old?) beachfront property in Odessa.
 
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>Check thread after work
>20+ new unread pages in a few hours...wtf happened?
>See the clips

Oh...oh my :stress:

This just goes to show by the way how much of an ass licking Z man has been getting from western media for the last 3 years. Of all the interviews he gave, it would have taken one or two difficult questions for him to completely implode and show how much of a coked out retard he is.
 
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Keystone said:
If today was any indication then the Russians will be done by autumn because they'll be vacationing on their new (old?) beachfront property in Odessa.
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Call me pessimistic but I don't think the war will be over this year. I hope I'm wrong and that I'm overestimating Ukraine's ability to go on, but I personally predict this year we will just see several more Avdiivka style local level collapses and the liberation of the Donbass.
It'll only be around next year I think we'll start to see the return of big arrow offensives and manuever warfare. But still if the regime in Kiev doesn't fold then there will be a good chance it will continue until 2027 and only end when Russia mops up Galicia.
 
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Gregis said:
Hm, given the attrition balance do you think that opening another front with the Kursk offensive was not conducive to Ukrainian war aims, in that it shortens their timelines? Or perhaps maintaining it gives some leverage in negotiations when it comes to territory?
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It was always a retarded idea.

(The original idea was the capture the nuclear power plant in Kursk and basically hold it hostage.)

Once that failed, the whole operation was in the shitter and should have been cancelled.

Ukraine have long supply lines in Kursk, and the Russians have total air supremacy. On top of that it’s a rural area of no importance and only a few roads that are easily held under observation.

It would always have turned into a slaughter, the only reason Zelensky insists to hold the area, is because he’s dumb enough to think it can be a bargaining chip or swapped for land elsewhere.

Which is a top dollar retarded idea even if you ignore the fact that Putin, under the Russian constitution, CAN NOT bargain away Russian territory. There will be no swap of Kursk for Kherson. They will always leave feet first.



Chuckwagon said:
he says something about how the 'quickest way' to obtain a security guarantee would be to get Ukraine into NATO but not all NATO countries are on his side on that issue (no shit, I can't imagine why...), so 'nobody is pushing' and 'if not NATO then let's build NATO in Ukraine' being his position, citing supposed European readiness to put contingents on the ground (fat chance lol).
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Given that NATO members can’t have outstanding territorial disputes (for OBVIOUS reasons), Ukraine technically isn’t even eligible for membership.

It wouldn’t necessarily even help them, since NATO #5 “guarantees” basically only say that each country responds to an act of aggression in the way they find necessary.

(So if the Iraq attacks Turkey for example, technically the US can send them some artillery shells and call it a day.)

The dirty secret is that Ukraine was never meant to be a member. Obama himself told a Ukrainian back in the day that PUBLICLY the message was that Ukraine could become a member but IN REALITY no, they would not become a member.

Shit, even the Baltic retards probably wouldn’t want them in, regardless of their public posturing.

Charred Dinosaur said:
Call me pessimistic but I don't think the war will be over this year. I hope I'm wrong and that I'm overestimating Ukraine's ability to go on
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I THINK you are wrong. (But it’s far from a sure thing either way.)

Ukraine isn’t just reliant on American weapons. They’re also reliant on American money.

Pensions, wages, departments, the military… It’s all run on American money since the country is close to bankrupt and already have huge debts.

Ukraine doesn’t just face more defeats on the front, unless the Europoors keep throwing more money on the bonfire (which they can’t afford for long) Ukraine also faces hyperinflation and a financial crisis this year.
 
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Stasi said:
This just goes to show by the way how much of an ass licking Z man has been getting from western media for the last 3 years. Of all the interviews he gave, it would have taken one or two difficult questions for him to completely implode and show how much of a coked out retard he is.
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Аніме відстій, справляйся і снід за 5 доларів
 
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