Cartoon Industry thread - Showcasing the Spergery of the Animation Industry

[Thiletonomics]

EDIT: Almost five minutes in, and the one chick is clearly reading Sailor Moon. LAME.

Libfems who got raised on Sailor Moon and Utena are such soulless npcs, it's insane how they mock and twist what they claim to love.

Pretty pretty please stop ripping off an over 30 year old anime and start using some other more recent magical girl show, there are loads of them. (I see she kinda did the with Madoka-looking skirt in Aika's magical girl form.)

Why are these Western rip-off magical girl shows still taking inspiration from only Sailor Moon, and to a lesser extent Utena or Madoka Magica? Again, you don't see them trying to rip off PreCure, Cardcaptor Sakura, Cutey Honey, or even the edgy Madoka rip-off shows, i.e. Magical Girl Raising Project, Magical Girl Site, or Magical Girl Spec-Ops Asuka (although the last is more military and less magical girl). Is it because PreCure's target audience of young girls doesn't appeal to these Western "writers", Cutey Honey is way too old of a series for them, and/or the edgy magical girl shows are too violent for them?

 

[Newcomer 42]

Again, you don't see them trying to rip off PreCure, Cardcaptor Sakura, Cutey Honey, or even the edgy Madoka rip-off shows, i.e. Magical Girl Raising Project, Magical Girl Site, or Magical Girl Spec-Ops Asuka (although the last is more military and less magical girl).

Because that's what they watched in their childhood, and they have no other positive experiences to go with. That, or they haven't watched anything else.

 

[Coolio55]

There's plenty of independent animation targeted at mentally ill teenage girls, but what about mentally ill teenage boys? And 30 year old men? Don't we matter too?

I swear there's at least one that I can't remember but if it's any cobsolation there's plenty of computer games focusing on this demographic.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Cardcaptor Sakura

They are as well, they're just really bad at hiding it.

See, DBZ parodies in cartoons were funny. Sailor Moon ripoffs aren't. Like remember that Scooby-Doo DTV that guest-starred Kiss, and they literally transformed like Sailor Moon characters? I think that was the beginning of the end, and that was done as a parody (except they didn't hide it as such).

 

[Grand Duke Snowfall]

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"I'm fifteen"
You look like you just started middle school.

It's just mid. That's all I have to say. Normally, I wouldn't say anything and move on because I'm not the target audience for this, but between this and Hazbin Hotel, I feel like I can't find any decent animation I can say I enjoy and keep a straight face. A couple of one-trick ponies once said, "There's plenty of independent animation targeted at mentally ill teenage girls, but what about mentally ill teenage boys? And 30 year old men? Don't we matter too?" No. Space king does not count.

I’ve just seen a lotta tards on animation xitter getting their panties in a twist over people saying this looks like shit. Like “you can’t judge it, it’s not out yet!!” Just remember, if you put a pissed off black girl in an indie thing, then it instantly becomes the terminally online’s precious little baby.
But yeah, it is kinda sad how there really isn’t a whole lot of media, let alone animation, for men and boys these days. The shit targeted at women isn’t even good most of the time, but we just consoom as mentioned above, I guess.

 

[Elderly beef taco]

There's a few other shows that had a more episodic, plot-based run (Reboot being a big one, and weird shit like The Mummy 2 tie-in cartoon) that I remember, that make me doubt that's entirely the issue at hand.

I feel a lot of modern creators want their works to be epic series that, because of the plot, can be translated into movies, which means more chances to make money and leave a lasting impact in the mind of viewers. It also means you're inclined to watch every new episode lest you miss something, but if you do miss one you're also unlikely to come back to it.

However, it feels no one wants to tell a story with meaning. I miss when you could watch a show without needing a recap for everything you missed, yet still have takeaway from it. Shows like Arthur pulled that off beautifully.

 

[Sonya-chan]

That Magical Girl pilot was so absurdly mid. Like perfectly mid.

Very boring, very predictable. But because “uwu black” it’s going to get a billion accolades.

But it had absolutely nothing special about it.

Reminds me of high guardian spice, but like better (which is something even a toddler can do), which makes me wonder if HGS would be less hated and even have a small dedicated fanbase if it was a independant project instead.

Small rant but I beg indie cartoons to not put any slur in their cartoons, I thought the "If X was written by Vivziepop" was clear that slurs make your project immature, safe-edgy and make it impossible to take it seriously.

 

[Re(Runner)48]

Reminds me of high guardian spice, but like better (which is something even a toddler can do), which makes me wonder if HGS would be less hated and even have a small dedicated fanbase if it was a independant project instead.

Small rant but I beg indie cartoons to not put any slur in their cartoons, I thought the "If X was written by Vivziepop" was clear that slurs make your project immature, safe-edgy and make it impossible to take it seriously.

I think slurs can work. I mean Raph Bakshis works have tons of slurs and racist remarks, as most are interesting and rewatchable. They often hold up and something people look up to as the infancy of indie/small studios works. It all depends on the context and the timeperiod of the story.

 

[Sonya-chan]

I think slurs can work. I mean Raph Bakshis works have tons of slurs and racist remarks, as most are interesting and rewatchable. They often hold up and something people look up to as the infancy of indie/small studios works. It all depends on the context and the timeperiod of the story.

Most people don't knnow how to write dialog with slurs nor don't understand how and why slurs are funny

 

[xXthrowawayaccountXx]

I remember reading a 4chan screencap once that stated the reason why media, not just cartoons, sucks nowadays is because people just aren't experiencing actual real life stuff happening to them. Thousands of years of human interactions and outdoor experience made for interesting and wild tales depending on who it happened to. Now everyone is more or less content with staying in doors and living the easy life if they can. Not to say it isn't possible to tell interesting stories as someone who didn't have to fight to survive in caveman/black plauge/World War/Great Depression days, but when you're someone like Saberspark or LS Mark where making YouTube slop and watching cartoons is your only reference for "experience" and "interesting stories", that's when you gotta do something like hunt an animal or get in a fist fight just to say you did something kinda interesting when retelling it.
Because that's what old cartoons were about, telling interesting, fun stories. Now it's self fellation over gender and social shit made to only appease manchildren and those behind it, because what else are these people gonna tell? That time someone called them a retard on Twitter for having a shit take?

It's not even that. If it was just being shut ins, that would he fine. Plenty of people who did nothing to experience the outside world but read and watch things all day have made good media. HP Lovecraft comes to mind, never leaving the house in his early years due to his illness.

The problem is these people don't even do that. They don't even read, or if they do they read on a surface level. All of their ideas come from a social media gestalt. None of these people have even watched sailor moon, but they look at the sailor moon tag on tumblr and see sailor moon memes and form an opinion off the show on that. Then they take these surface level observations of a show and make surface level "parodies" in turn. Not of the original work, not of the actual content of a genre or a work, but the gestalt that forms off of other people's surface level impressions. If they did literally any reading of other magical girl stories, they would realize that "magical girl subversion" has been such a staple of the genre that it's become part of the genre itself. Madoka Magica did evil magical girls before this person was born, and JK Delinquent Magical Girl (I forget the exact title but that's close enough from memory) has been doing this exact premuse but better. The only thing they have is black girl power, but no the fuck they don't because there is already many indie comics about black magical girls that are just this down to a tea.

 

[NoReturn]

Turns out that Jessiefag sheboon put out her Magicgirl anime slop full of niggers.

Literally the first line is a Miraculous Ladybug ripoff. Not just the writing, but the delivery.
Also, I am so damn sick of ironic Marvelspeak. "I'm just average and have an unspectacular life!" Shut up.

I know I've seen this movement, I just can't get a face for the character, but I'm still thinking Sailor Moon especially since she poses as such at the end.

I haven't seen the video, but it looks like a part of Marinette's transformation sequence (from Miraculous Ladybug, also inspired by magical girl anime):

Told ya.

I remember reading a 4chan screencap once that stated the reason why media, not just cartoons, sucks nowadays is because people just aren't experiencing actual real life stuff happening to them. Thousands of years of human interactions and outdoor experience made for interesting and wild tales depending on who it happened to. Now everyone is more or less content with staying in doors and living the easy life if they can. Not to say it isn't possible to tell interesting stories as someone who didn't have to fight to survive in caveman/black plauge/World War/Great Depression days, but when you're someone like Saberspark or LS Mark where making YouTube slop and watching cartoons is your only reference for "experience" and "interesting stories", that's when you gotta do something like hunt an animal or get in a fist fight just to say you did something kinda interesting when retelling it.
Because that's what old cartoons were about, telling interesting, fun stories. Now it's self fellation over gender and social shit made to only appease manchildren and those behind it, because what else are these people gonna tell? That time someone called them a retard on Twitter for having a shit take?

So much animation is navel-gazing, self-referential crap right now. Even in the indie scene. I like watching random animated clips on YouTube, but it all has this same feeling.

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They aren't referencing the real world, their world is the media they consume, so that's what they make.
Same for video games. When making Half Life, Karen Laur went out in person into the real world to find things and bring them back.
When was the last time a game did that, or a show? Hell, even in the most recent Ghostbusters they didn't even film in New York. They modeled and scanned locations in the city, then shot on a bluescreen and added them in. It's not just special effects, it was stuff like the library.

 

[Dr. Butt]

The problem is these people don't even do that. They don't even read, or if they do they read on a surface level.

They're the people who claim they want creativity from producers, but can't even read Sailor Nothing as entertainment without needing to post somewhere about how the author made the high school students too Americanized when the only reason they read Sailor Nothing in the first place is because they saw a Reddit comment in which someone said they liked it BUT the way the school newspaper writer acts is too American. You're right, it really is all social media gestalt to them. They shouldn't say they want to watch TV if what they really want to do is get attention. Those are two different activities is all I'm saying.

 

[Lady Bizness]

Why don't they do a Pokemon rip off? Like, they collect and train different marginalized people and fight them. I choose you Muslima! You used EBT card on Diabetic Black Woman! She evolved into Pregnant Diabetic Black Woman! Transman, use Tit-chop!

 

[Dr. Butt]

Why don't they do a Pokemon rip off? Like, they collect and train different marginalized people and fight them. I choose you Muslima! You used EBT card on Diabetic Black Woman! She evolved into Pregnant Diabetic Black Woman! Transman, use Tit-chop!

They do that in real life and fiction is supposed to be an escape from real life.

 

[chalkyresidue]

It’s disappointing, time and again, that cartoonists like Murray and “Huggies” Waller just can’t help but show their ass as they get older thanks to social media. Like what the fuck are you even doing at this point?

Joe Murray isn’t responsible for almost anything was great about Rocko’s Modern Life. As the story goes, soon after the show was greenlit his fiancée got killed in a car accident and he had some kind of nervous breakdown and left his underlings to put the whole thing together in their own. The Ralph Bighead/Wacky Delly arc is apparently a fairly direct Roman a Clef ; Joe Murray even did Ralph’s voice… and he does sound pretty dead inside iirc. It all worked out because the underlings he dumped the show on happened to be Stephen Hillenburg and some other guy who made Phineas and Ferb. No surprise Murray never had a show that good again

Utena

Am I the only one who thinks Kunihiko Ikuhara exclusively does gonzo shit for its own sake/his own amusement and everything that was human and warm about Sailor Moon was thanks to Junichi Sato in season one??

slurs can work

Most people don't knnow how to write dialog with slurs

Unless you’re as artistically ambitious as Ralph Bakshi and making serious work for serious adults, tossing around slurs and swears puts your work in the Kevin Smith/Rick & Morty edgy nerd demographic… and that’s a place nobody wants to be

Sadly I don’t know how you’d market anything like American Pop, Wizards, or Fire and Ice in 2025. I don’t think Ralph Bakshi does either; it’s why he’s selling oil paintings of his stuff instead of making new cartoons

 

[I_Am_Not_Bruce_Willis]

Joe Murray isn’t responsible for almost anything was great about Rocko’s Modern Life. As the story goes, soon after the show was greenlit his fiancée got killed in a car accident and he had some kind of nervous breakdown and left his underlings to put the whole thing together in their own. The Ralph Bighead/Wacky Delly arc is apparently a fairly direct Roman a Clef ; Joe Murray even did Ralph’s voice… and he does sound pretty dead inside iirc. It all worked out because the underlings he dumped the show on happened to be Stephen Hillenburg and some other guy who made Phineas and Ferb. No surprise Murray never had a show that good again

Was Camp Lazlo any good?

 

[Kari Kamiya]

I liked what I've seen of Camp Lazlo, though I hear that apparently the finale is pretty out-there.

 

[Re(Runner)48]

Sadly I don’t know how you’d market anything like American Pop, Wizards, or Fire and Ice in 2025. I don’t think Ralph Bakshi does either; it’s why he’s selling oil paintings of his stuff instead of making new cartoons

I think there is a market for it. People do like these kinds of media. We do get some good interesting pieces from controversial artists. Quinton T is one big one. I media that has some historical context would definitely work (Early American pieces, War films, 1900's American scene, ect.) Or even if the film is a is a fictional spin on time periods where people face oppression and there were different standards. Fuck we had a movie literally released last year called "The American Society of Magical Negros" that's a straight up a slur

 

[YWNBAM]

Am I the only one who thinks Kunihiko Ikuhara exclusively does gonzo shit for its own sake/his own amusement and everything that was human and warm about Sailor Moon was thanks to Junichi Sato in season one??

I think it's pretty clear that Ikuhara is just a talentless homo with a fetish for lesbians and underage boys. All the good parts of Sailor Moon came from the OG manga and other staff, while the most noticeable contribution of this tard was turning characters into faggots, adding trannies and sexualising underage girls. If I ever made a list of japanese creators who ruined children's anime with faggotry and tranny shit, I would definitely include him and the whole cast of CLAMP.

Cardcaptor Sakura

More than a few western libfem cartoonists do take inspiration from it though. Because just like in a case with Utena, Breadtube treats it like a sacred cow for having teh gays and pedos. Take away the yaoi/lolicon pandering and Cardcaptor is a boring nothingburger that pales in comparison to other big-name mahou shoujo titles. It offers nothing but pretty designs, which is why Sakura's outfits are basically the only thing Western creators ever reference in their mahou shoujo slop.

Cutey Honey, or even the edgy Madoka rip-off shows, i.e. Magical Girl Raising Project, Magical Girl Site, or Magical Girl Spec-Ops Asuka

Hate to defend the woke ladies, but these shows are waifuslop made by men for men. They barely have anything to do with classic mahou shoujo media that girls grow up watching, beyond the superficial tropes and deconstructing them for le edgy/horny.

PreCure

My guess is that this is because PreCure, in contrast to Sailor Moon, wasn't broadcast as often on western channels. The franchise is more Japan-oriented and doesn't do much further to reach a bigger worldwide audience. Besides, compared to Sailor Moon, Precure is just "younger" so to speak, quickly switching to the next set of protagonists the moment previous anime reaches it's end.

Maybe in a decade or so there will be more creators making stuff inspired by one of the Precure anime titles.

 

[I_Am_Not_Bruce_Willis]

@YWNBAM What about RayEarth?