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Reminder, the average taxpayer pays 500k over their lifetime to taxes. 18 people will have spent 1/3 of their life earning the money to pay for this study.
 
The Democratic party is completely cooked from the top on down. You could argue the average Dem voter is even more hopelessly retarded than the mongoloids they've put in office. Insane if this is genuinely the attitude of the majority of Dem voters irl or online.
I don't think you can expect much sanity from 75 million people (give or take some fraud) who actually thought it was a good idea to cast a vote for Kamala Harris. Or the however many non-fraud millions who thought Joe Biden would make an acceptable President.
 
The case is about if the President complied with the law in his executive action.

I see that you've neither read the briefs nor understand any of the underlying legal framework. You're simply parroting things you've heard without understanding them.

  • This is the wrong court, and it lacks jurisdiction to handle this matter.
  • The legal instrument is mislabeled, as it compels as opposed to restrains. It is not facially a TRO, but a mislabeled preliminary injunction.
  • The orders to enforce the supposed TRO actually substantively re-write the original order without going through the correct due process for revising TROs.
  • The proposed remedy - which again, is not a TRO because it compels action - demands the government give an immediate universal remedy not limited to the actual parties in the suit. The order would be, in a sense, more defensible if the order was to resume payments only to to the named parties per the contracted schedules.
  • Finally the Judge attempts to take control of contract decisions of the executive branch, assuming executive power. He cannot do that, by his own or Congress's authority, as neither can infringe on the Executive branch.

I know that sometimes the law can be a real complex autistic shitshow, especially administrative law. This case, however, requires relatively simple principles and a basic knowledge of Constitutional law (separation of powers) and contract law. This isn't difficult to understand, so at this point I have to assume you're fucking retarded or posting in bad faith.
 
You know since the money has already been wasted on that retarded shit I'd be curious to see the results. Are the findings that mice don't normaly troon out until you inject them with chemicals and groom their behavior? Do 41% of the experiment group fucking die? Do the troon mice become overly aggressive then they to keep non-troon mice from getting rewards?

Might be pretty interesting stuff in there.
 
You would think they would check to see if the drugs they are handing out to children cause cancer BEFORE handing them out and BEFORE assuring everyone on Earth that they are safe.
 
I like how the consensus I've gotten from most Dem voters online is that their party should be acting like even bigger shit-flinging raging autistic chimps. Not telling them to put their big boy pants on, have some dignity, and maybe try a different strategy. Nope. Just double down even harder on the toddler-tier tantrums cause orange man is literally killing us.

The Democratic party is completely cooked from the top on down. You could argue the average Dem voter is even more hopelessly retarded than the mongoloids they've put in office. Insane if this is genuinely the attitude of the majority of Dem voters irl or online.
If you notice, President Trump is building a corps of younger people for the future. VP Vance is 40. Surf Mommy Tulsi Gabbard in her mid 40s, max. Pam Bondi is almost 60 but has energy. Pete Hegseth in his 40's. Have some older people in the Cabinet but President Trump is doing what the Dems are not doing. Who are the most known younger Dems? AOC. Pressley. Tlaib. Crockett. These critters evoke revulsion among anyone with a brain. And I don't see any competent, non-crazy young Dems coming up. At this rate, the Dems are going to stay in a mess while the GOP can keep winning.
 
Could it be argued that ACB aligns with RGB on the political spectrum with their stance on abortion? RBG was on record saying that Roe v. Wade was a horrible precedent for enforcing rights.
No, RBG was 100% in support of abortion. She considered Roe to be horrible precedent because it was. Roe was settled on the flimsiest of legal reasoning by the most left wing SCOTUS era we've ever had. These were judges that would regularly shit on the constitution and legislate with their feelings. They're the reason for great hits like illegals being allowed to place their children in public schools, abolishing the death penalty (this was corrected at least), and allowing the Democrats to railroad Nixon for the nothing burger called Watergate
 
You know since the money has already been wasted on that retarded shit I'd be curious to see the results. Are the findings that mice don't normaly troon out until you inject them with chemicals and groom their behavior? Do 41% of the experiment group fucking die? Do the troon mice become overly aggressive then they to keep non-troon mice from getting rewards?

Might be pretty interesting stuff in there.
with Modern “scientific” tests they just destroy any data they don’t like and retest until they get a result they want to publish to push their agenda.
 
If you notice, President Trump is building a corps of younger people for the future. VP Vance is 40. Surf Mommy Tulsi Gabbard in her mid 40s, max. Pam Bondi is almost 60 but has energy. Pete Hegseth in his 40's. Have some older people in the Cabinet but President Trump is doing what the Dems are not doing. Who are the most known younger Dems? AOC. Pressley. Tlaib. Crockett. These critters evoke revulsion among anyone with a brain. And I don't see any competent, non-crazy young Dems coming up. At this rate, the Dems are going to stay in a mess while the GOP can keep winning.
Fetterman was the one. The stroke really fucked them over. Now they are going to try Booker as an Obama 2.0 I predict.
 
I don't care what anyone says, i think this Cash Jordan guy is a dysgenic grifter.
That's always gonna be the case with any political "influencer" types, they're all grifters who'd change colors in an instant if it became especially expedient to do so. What might have significance is the subject matter they're grifting off of, though. I don't watch this guy so maybe he's 100% dishonest with his coverage, but there are some others (rightists and leftists alike) that I'll check in on every now and then just to see the way the wind blows on current events, even if I've already made up my own mind about the situation.
 
CNN confirms that the previous government spent nearly 9 million to make mice transgender
Well? Did they succeed?

These mice couldn't express the transgender conceit of feeling like the opposite sex. The treatments on mice given "cross-sex hormones" doesn't claim the mice changed gender or sex, even though trannies claim HRT does make them valid members of the opposite sex. However the science is clearly treating such bodies as if they remained the same sex.

If these mice were given transitioning treatments but did not transition, then the headline should read "spent $9 million dollars proving you can't transition", which sounds like a fine use of money IMO.
 
>billions of dollars because we try to cure the plague God gave us to rid us of deranged faggots

As time goes on I agree more and more with intolerant caricatures of old.
 
Well? Did they succeed?

These mice couldn't express the transgender conceit of feeling like the opposite sex. The treatments on mice given "cross-sex hormones" doesn't claim the mice changed gender or sex, even though trannies claim HRT does make them valid members of the opposite sex. However the science is clearly treating such bodies as if they remained the same sex.

If these mice were given transitioning treatments but did not transition, then the headline should read "spent $9 million dollars proving you can't transition", which sounds like a fine use of money IMO.
See that's what I'm saying, just go shake them down for the research and point to it to make troons seethe. When USAID hands you lemons I figure sometimes you make lemonade.
 
Resistance shouldn’t feel this futile
The Washington Post (archive.ph)
By Monica Hesse
2025-03-05 21:32:38GMT

Please tell me that Democratic lawmakers have a plan up their pink sleeves.
It might have been when several dozen Democrats walked into Donald Trump’s Tuesday congressional address wearing coordinated shades of bubblegum, but it was definitely by the time that several dozen Democrats started waving ping-pong-sized paddles in the House chamber that I started to really worry about the resistance.

Do something! approximately half of America had been begging these representatives. Do anything! we have cried. Democratic legislators had six weeks, after all, to strategize a strong, coherent rebuttal to the early days of Trump’s chaotic second term. You have a plan to save our republic, do you not?

As it happens, they did. “It’s time to rev up the opposition and come at Trump loud and clear,” Rep. Teresa Leger Fernandez (D-New Mexico), had told Time magazine earlier Tuesday. That opposition plan was: wear pink.

The color signaled “our protest of Trump’s policies which are negatively impacting women and families,” Leger Fernandez, chair of the Democratic Women’s Caucus, had said. Great idea. I, too, would like to protest those policies. But if this is the revved-up version of the opposition, was the previous version just … the hooptie sitting on blocks on your neighbor’s front lawn? A Schwinn?

Shortly after Trump began speaking, Democratic lawmakers began producing paddles emblazoned with tidy phrases such as “Save Medicaid,” or “Musk steals,” or, simply, “False.”

One presumes that the paddles, which members held up discreetly at sporadic intervals through the address, were intended to be pointed but also somber. But the overall effect of the whole scene was, “On our way to Barbenheimer, we were kidnapped by Sotheby’s and forced to bid on our dignity.”

These props — along with the shirts reading “RESIST” worn by some members — were simultaneously too perfunctory and too earnest. Earnest doesn’t register with this White House, where Elon Musk showed up to a Cabinet meeting in a “Tech Support” T-shirt and Dark Maga ball cap, as if he’d pwned USAID for the lulz.

All of this illustrates a bigger conundrum than exists in the House chamber. What is the best way to be an effective voice of protest in this era? In recent years, liberals have tried Minnesota nice, coconut trees, going high, going low, going “weird,” being heartfelt, being snarky, marching, pleading, mocking, understanding, using facts, using pathos, and here we are again, like it’s 2016 and some hardworking activists are wondering if we can turn this thing around via pussyhats.

By now, we’re not really talking about fashion. We’re talking about the real issue, which, of course, is that the spectacle of the address actually did deliver a coherent message. The Democratic message, whether accurate or not, was: We do not know what to do.

The president of the United States is up there repeating falsehoods about Social Security fraud, and nobody can make him stop. There is a dude in the back of the room whom nobody elected but who is dismantling the federal workforce with the help of a 19-year-old once allegedly known online as “Big Balls,” and it’s just going to continue apace. We are somehow on the precipice of becoming enemies with Canada, and maybe someone can wear maple leaves at Trump’s next public address.

The guardrails of our democracy were not built to handle a president like Trump, convicted in court, elected in polling stations. The protocols of human decency are similarly ill-equipped. The protest tools commonly available to lawmakers in a State of the Union setting have typically been limited to refusing to smile, or choosing not to applaud. Remember back in 2020 when Nancy Pelosi primly ripped her copy of Trump’s State of the Union address in half, and that was seen as shocking? In that era, a color-coordinated pink campaign might have seemed meaningful. I don’t think we’re in that era anymore.

As Trump’s speech continued, Democratic protests escalated, and it felt to me as though we were watching the resistance try to sort itself out in real time. Is an effective strategy one that stays within boundaries of civility, but then gets shouted down by a president who knows nothing of these boundaries? One that gets angry, but then risks of losing the upper hand of looking like the adults in the room? One that taunts (as Rep. Jasmine Crockett of Texas did when she left the chamber and let loose with some truly artful expletives)? One that reasons (as Sen. Elissa Slotkin did, when she used her rebuttal to paint herself as a solid Michigander)?

At one point Rep. Al Green (D-Texas), rose to his feet and, calling out a defense of Medicaid, refused to be seated. He was eventually escorted from the floor at the direction of House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-Louisiana) His protest was polarizing — I had one friend texting that it was a terrible move while another simultaneously texted that every Democrat in the building should follow suit — but whatever you thought of it, it met Trump’s vitriolic speech with forceful behavior of its own.

Later in the speech, a cohort of Democratic lawmakers walked out of the chamber of their own accord. And again, you or I might have wondered whether this was the right move. But we might also recognize that this might not have been done for anyone watching television in real time. It was an act for the history books, meant to signal extraordinary dissent in extraordinary times.

These are extraordinary times, and we need an extraordinary, lawful resistance.

The impression that you want of your elected officials in times like this is that they know better than you. They have a serious plan for all of this. They are on the phone with one another at all hours of the night trying to figure out how to preserve this country’s rights, freedoms and rule of law. The impression you do not want is that they are on the phone with one another trying to figure out who can loan them a magenta blazer.

Nearly every person I talked to about the address — mostly liberals, I’d wager, at drop-off lines and in text chains — told me they’d cringed through Tuesday night’s address. Because Trump was up there bloviating, and because Democrats seemed to have to so little recourse. Because it wasn’t clear whether the issue was that Democrats were trying the wrong things, or, scarier, that there was actually nothing left to try.
Democratic Response to Trump Shows a Party Divided on How to Resist Him
The New York Times (archive.ph)
By Annie Karni
2025-03-05 21:45:02GMT
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Representative Al Green, Democrat of Texas, staged the most notable protest of President Trump’s address to Congress on Tuesday as he stood up from his seat and shouted at the president. Mr. Green was ejected from the chamber for his actions.Credit...Kenny Holston/The New York Times

To counter President Trump’s first major address of his second term, Democrats in Congress selected a middle-aged woman senator with a background in national security to deliver a simple, centrist message, devoid of partisan animus, aimed at voters across the political spectrum.

But the lasting image of Democratic pushback to Mr. Trump on Tuesday night may have come instead in the form of a liberal 77-year-old congressman waving his cane as he shouted at the president in a protest that got him ejected from the House chamber.

The contrast reflected the clash within the Democratic Party as it tries to find an effective message to counter an unbound president who is defying laws and norms while dominating the public’s attention. Under pressure from a restive progressive base, some want to position themselves as part of a party of aggressive resistance to Mr. Trump. Others see a political center that can be peeled away through a sober appeal to center-leaning voters feeling adverse impacts from the president’s policies.

The competing strategies were on display as congressional Democrats face critical decisions in the coming days over how much to obstruct Mr. Trump’s agenda as he tramples over the power of the legislative branch. Most immediately, with government funding set to expire on March 14, Democrats must decide whether they will vote for legislation to avert a shutdown or refuse to do so at a moment when Mr. Trump is defunding and dismantling federal programs all on his own.

The range of responses on Tuesday night was also a reminder that Democrats, locked out of power at every level of the federal government, cannot do much of anything right now to stand in Mr. Trump’s way.

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Senator Elissa Slotkin, Democrat of Michigan, rehearsing her response to Mr. Trump’s address in Wyandotte, Mich., on Tuesday.Credit...Pool photo by Paul Sancya

Representative Al Green, a Texas Democrat who has a history of defying party leaders to lodge a one-man resistance against Mr. Trump, repeatedly shouted “no mandate” at the president and refused to take his seat before being removed from the chamber.

That was his plan, he told reporters after leaving, simply “to let people know that there’s some of us who are going to stand up against this president’s desire to cut Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security.”

The move frustrated some of his colleagues, who thought it did little to actually challenge Mr. Trump. They said privately that performative actions like Mr. Green’s simply provided Republicans with a rich target. On Wednesday morning, as if on cue, the hard-right House Freedom Caucus announced it would be introducing a resolution to censure him, and Mr. Trump sent out a fund-raising appeal referring to Mr. Green and claiming that Democrats “hate putting America first.”

Opting for a quieter form of protest, some Democrats wore hot pink to signify female power or held up paddles with the words “Musk Steals” and “Save Medicaid” to register silent opposition. Those slogans, selected by the Congressional Progressive Caucus, were carefully chosen to highlight liberal priorities that vulnerable Democratic members representing red districts would also have no problem defending.

Others punctuated Mr. Trump’s speech with their own commentary. “That’s such a lie,” some yelled when Mr. Trump cited debunked claims of people with impossible ages still collecting Social Security checks. “January 6!” they cried out as he praised the police and hailed the virtues of law and order.

More than a dozen progressive Democrats walked out of the speech early, while others didn’t attend at all, and Democratic leaders sat through the whole thing stone-faced, determined not to become the story themselves.

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Some Democrats held up paddles with the words “Musk Steals” and “Save Medicaid” to register their silent opposition to Mr. Trump’s agenda. The slogans were selected by the Congressional Progressive Caucus.Credit...Kenny Holston/The New York Times

The result was a muddled response from Democrats well aware that whatever they did risked looking like too little or too much.

“The American people want to see some fight from Democrats right now,” said Sawyer Hackett, a Democratic strategist. “They don’t give a damn about decorum or civility — Trump certainly doesn’t. But they’re not looking to their members of Congress for protests; they want to see action.”

Mr. Hackett suggested that a more useful form of resistance for members of Congress would be to “deny them a single vote on government funding.” But Democratic leaders have signaled they are not in the mood to do that and risk carrying the blame for a shutdown.

Senator John Fetterman, Democrat of Pennsylvania, criticized members of his party who protested on the floor.

“A sad cavalcade of self-owns and unhinged petulance,” he wrote on social media. “It only makes Trump look more presidential and restrained. We're becoming the metaphorical car alarms that nobody pays attention to — and it may not be the winning message.”

But mostly, Democrats said they were aware that being in the minority during a president’s address to Congress is a thankless task, leaving them in a position to please no one. Their hope was that Mr. Trump’s actions would make the strongest case against him and that Americans facing higher prices because of his policy decisions would not have a strong opinion about the theatrics of who shouted and who didn’t, or what color people wore.

“The No. 1 issue that the American people want us to work on is costs: rising costs of food and of housing and of gas and of cars and of everything else,” Senator Chuck Schumer, Democrat of New York and the minority leader, said on CNN on Wednesday.

Mr. Schumer said he understood that many people were frustrated, but he was dismissive of Mr. Green.

“The best answer in my judgment is to organize,” he said. “Organizing is hard, but it’s effective — and that’s what we’re doing.”

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Representative Hakeem Jeffries, Democrat of New York and the minority leader, had urged his members to show restraint during the president’s speech.Credit...Kenny Holston/The New York Times

When pressed about Mr. Green’s protest, Representative Hakeem Jeffries, Democrat of New York and minority leader, said that “the vast majority of Democrats showed restraint, listened to what the president had to say and of course we strongly disagree.”

A day earlier, he had urged his members to show restraint at the speech.

Republicans have long struggled with having carefully laid messaging plans derailed by their most extreme members. At times when they have sought to strike a reasonable and broadly appealing message, it has been drowned out by rabble rousers like Representatives Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia and Lauren Boebert of Colorado, who heckled President Joseph R. Biden Jr. during his speeches to Congress, becoming the face of their party.

But the days of sidelining those figures are over; Republicans now cater directly to them.

Democratic leaders did try to mount their own form of resistance inside the chamber. They chose to boycott the Escort Committee, a bipartisan group of House and Senate lawmakers who traditionally escort the president into the House chamber for his address.

It was a notable choice, but one whose significance might have been lost on most Americans, who do not tend to follow the customs around presidential addresses to Congress.

“It speaks for itself,” said Christie Stephenson, a spokeswoman for Mr. Jeffries.
 
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