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Perhaps because they had object permanence, and knew their enemies weren't going to instantly vanish even if Israel "won"? As evidenced by the 1973 war a few years later?
So then why would they immediately apologize and admit guilt instead of leaving it up in the air?

And Israel paid nothing/did nothing to teach their own narrative in universities?
When was a pro Israel narrative ever taught in a university? The universities have been compromised by far leftists who hate israel since the 60s

>Jews by themselves are less influential than people paid/bribed/brainwashed to support Jews
You don't say......
Christian Zionists are now paid? Since when lmao

>Instances of non-Israeli corruption instantly causes all the instances of Israeli corruption to vanish
point out a case of pro israeli corruption. Legal lobbying is not corruption.

full article is behind paywall

opensecrets says AIPAC spent 51 m. 40m of that were individual donations through AIPAC, another 3 million were from the PAC itself.


Also getting a donation from AIPAC doesn't equal funding the candidate. Usually it's a fraction of the candidates actual funding total.
 
The Federation was formed only after an apocalyptic nuclear world war that killed off like 80% of humanity.

Progressive Star Trek fans always leave that part out for some reason when they sperg about how Star Trek is an ideal socialist setting.
Its also worth noting that according to several books in the setting, Replicator food never really tastes quite right. Very close, but never exact. And so things like homemade wine, proper steaks, just regular food you cook is in fact still preferred and there are markets for them.

The Star Trek society isn't socialist, its post-scarcity. Technology has advanced to the point that all basic needs can be cared for reliably, egalitarianism reigns supreme, and man's pursuits have expanded beyond the need to compete for resources -for the purpose of survival-. When it comes to politics, the Federation is a tad on the authoritarian side though also only really is so for Earth itself. It is very hands off for human colonies, allowing them to mostly govern as they see fit so long as they obey a basic charter of human rights. Meaning one always has the option of leaving for less authoritarian (or more) lands if one wishes while still benefitting from the post-scarcity society of Earth.

Commerce in the setting is actually fascinating and the only one to go into it is ironically one of the more disliked series in the form of Enterprise.
 
I hope they keep this new retard out there more and more too. Is she really going to be the face of their shit party for awhile?

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Never thought I'd see the day they'd have karens going on about local school rights. Jesus.
That is so catastrophically stupid. It's sports, the different local communities have to interact in sports games which is the entire fucking reason it's an issue that needs a higher authority to resolve it.
 
Hard disagree, if a politician is taking money to go directly against the will of their constituents by monied lobbyists, that's corruption, see taxation without representation and extrapolate.
Where's the evidence that they're going against the will of their constituents? Americans overwhelmingly support Israel, especially Republicans. The only Republican that I know that "goes against the will of their constituents" is Massie who refuses to meet Jewish constituents like Rabbi Shlomo Litvin who heads the Kentucky Jewish Council. Massie refuses to meet him and accuses him of being an agent for a foreign country.
 
The Star Trek society isn't socialist, its post-scarcity. Technology has advanced to the point that all basic needs can be cared for reliably, egalitarianism reigns supreme, and man's pursuits have expanded beyond the need to compete for resources -for the purpose of survival-.
Post-scarcity is the society Socialists think they want and I feel the best treatment of it's logical end is Iain M. Banks Culture novels. Although some more materialistic, progressive fans get a bit mad when you highlight the discussion between the composer and the Mind in Look to Windward. Most people, in a post-scarcity society where machines do just about everything, fall into nihilistic hedonism and eventually off themselves one way or the other. Sure, you're free to do anything, but I think as we've seen here in America, if you take care of people basic needs that it tracks. Most people don't become artists or composers or strive for high society and culture, they sink to their basic instincts. In other words, gay fully automated luxury space communism works great for 130+ IQ Anglos, but so does everything else, other people, especially sub-100 IQ people, fall apart.

Maybe that's why every serious discussion of IQ with progtards ends up with them bringing up killing people below a certain IQ point.
 
The average American voter goes to the ballot and either chooses every candidate with an R, or every candidate with a D, so all AIPAC has to do is fund the frontrunner for both and the question of support for Israel is impossible to answer by who is in office, because they will be pro-Israel either way and their anti-Israel constituents likely didn't know when voting for them
 
Where's the evidence that they're going against the will of their constituents? Americans overwhelmingly support Israel, especially Republicans. The only Republican that I know that "goes against the will of their constituents" is Massie who refuses to meet Jewish constituents like Rabbi Shlomo Litvin who heads the Kentucky Jewish Council. Massie refuses to meet him and accuses him of being an agent for a foreign country.
According to Gallup, support for Israel among Americans is in decline.

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Republicans still back it to a great degree as of this time but as long as the conflicts involving Israel continue it may start going down as well.
 
Where's the evidence that they're going against the will of their constituents? Americans overwhelmingly support Israel, especially Republicans. The only Republican that I know that "goes against the will of their constituents" is Massie who refuses to meet Jewish constituents like Rabbi Shlomo Litvin who heads the Kentucky Jewish Council. Massie refuses to meet him and accuses him of being an agent for a foreign country.
Forget Israel, you made a general statement about lobbying. The impropriety begins when even considering the interests of those outside of your constituency over those within your constituency.

Taxation without representation is casual, unjust but not necessarily corruption. Paying someone who is supposed to represent a constituency to act in this casual and unjust way against their constituency IS corruption.


And I'll point out specific to Israel, while the left wing is indeed in shambles, possibly the most common ground among factions is taking the stick to Israel. I am sure that's not the will of the people, though, that's just nasty Qatar meddling in politics...through money.

ETA: Massie refusing to meet with Shlomo is based, Shlomo IS the agent of a foreign country, the jews in that riding are a mega minority to not be even worth legislative consideration other than being granted the equal rights and freedoms every other American enjoys, and according to you earlier, they probably don't like Israel anyways, right? Trying to have it both ways? The fact you're a world away and so butt hurt that ONE guy isn't in AIPACs pocket is proof positive of everything said about...everything.
 
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According to Gallup, support for Israel among Americans is in decline.

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Republicans still back it to a great degree as of this time but as long as the conflicts involving Israel continue it may start going down as well.
My prediction is that it will go down more among Republicans if the saber-rattling at Fox for conflict against Iran catches on more with the Trump admin. A lot of people signed on and voted because Trump has a desire to keep us out of a lot of these conflicts.
 
Post-scarcity is the society Socialists think they want and I feel the best treatment of it's logical end is Iain M. Banks Culture novels. Although some more materialistic, progressive fans get a bit mad when you highlight the discussion between the composer and the Mind in Look to Windward. Most people, in a post-scarcity society where machines do just about everything, fall into nihilistic hedonism and eventually off themselves one way or the other. Sure, you're free to do anything, but I think as we've seen here in America, if you take care of people basic needs that it tracks. Most people don't become artists or composers or strive for high society and culture, they sink to their basic instincts. In other words, gay fully automated luxury space communism works great for 130+ IQ Anglos, but so does everything else, other people, especially sub-100 IQ people, fall apart.

Maybe that's why every serious discussion of IQ with progtards ends up with them bringing up killing people below a certain IQ point.
The book series The sleepless really goes into this. The US gets broken up into basically do groups: The "Livers", low iq retards that get to do what they want (while basically getting provided low quality food stuff, entertainment, etc) and the "Donkey's" generically engineered high IQ people that basically plan and run the place.
 
When Israel curries favor and legislation not through reason and logic but through money and corruption it is good because their aims are good.

When Qatar curries favor and legislation not through reason and logic but through money and corruption it's bad because their aims are bad.
 
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