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Started Secret Six. Its interesting. Catman is fun. Jeanette is interesting. Never read Infinite Crisis but I know this is the lead up to it. I can't remember if its that plus Identity Crisis that's a mess. But then I get confused because there's Countdown, Blackest Night, New 52, and Final Crisis...too much crisis. Cheshire I've missed you you crazy ass bitch. The team has an interesting dynamic.

Regarding Marvel can someone clarify something for me? @MirrorNoir, @Alexander Thaut, @Nick Obre, I throw up the kiwi symbol to you all. Its concerning Moira McTaggert. Okay so I know she was revealed to have a backup data of her son because she wanted to clone him. Now around 2001, she found the legacy virus cure but Mystique blew up Muir Island and slit Banshee's throat. Moira died on the blackbird and it looked like her spirit did some weird ascension thing. Banshee dies some years later.

Now flash forward to 2018/9 and Krakoa happens. (I haven't been able to keep up because there's just so much now.) She's revealed to have survived and surprise she's a mutant. Then it turns out there are multiple versions/lives of her....so is one of those versions the one that Mystique killed? If so, she sees Mystique is clearly back on Krakoa...so wouldn't she want to get revenge on her? And then does she not have a son this version?
 
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Is the Ultimate X-men(2024) reboot good? I want to read it because it focuses on a character I like. But if it's shit and I avoid it I'll be less disappointed. 1000031475.jpg1000031474.jpg
 
Started Secret Six. Its interesting. Catman is fun. Jeanette is interesting. Never read Infinite Crisis but I know this is the lead up to it. I can't remember if its that plus Identity Crisis that's a mess. But then I get confused because there's Countdown, Blackest Night, New 52, and Final Crisis...too much crisis. Cheshire I've missed you you crazy ass bitch. The team has an interesting dynamic.
You may have some things in the wrong order. I may be misremembering but Secret Six came out of Infinite Crisis. Identity Crisis sort of kicks off the grim mid-2000's era, leading to Countdown to Infinite Crisis, which is followed by 4 series focusing on different parts of the universe (Omac Project, Rann-Thanagar War, Day of Vengeance, and Villains United; the last one is the introduction of this Secret Six group). Then Infinite Crisis happens, after which all books jump forward one year (the One Year Later line), and the gap is filled by the weekly 52 book. At some point there, Green Lantern got restarted (with Green Lantern: Rebirth, and Green Lantern Corps: Recharge, and the respective ongoings for GL and the GLC), which lead into Sinestro Corps War, a bunch of other Lantern-centric books, then Blackest Night. There's a bunch more Lantern books and events, but the Geoff Johns' era ends with Wrath of the First Lantern.
In the middle of all that, some time after Blackest Night, there's Final Crisis*, and then some time later the whole universe gets rebooted in Flashpoint > The New 52. But the Batman and GL lines carry on mostly as if nothing had happened, while everything else got a hard reboot.

Regarding Marvel can someone clarify something for me? @MirrorNoir, @Alexander Thaut, @Nick Obre, I throw up the kiwi symbol to you all. Its concerning Moira McTaggert. Okay so I know she was revealed to have a backup data of her son because she wanted to clone him. Now around 2001, she found the legacy virus cure but Mystique blew up Muir Island and slit Banshee's throat. Moira died on the blackbird and it looked like her spirit did some weird ascension thing. Banshee dies some years later.

Now flash forward to 2018/9 and Krakoa happens. (I haven't been able to keep up because there's just so much now.) She's revealed to have survived and surprise she's a mutant. Then it turns out there are multiple versions/lives of her....so is one of those versions the one that Mystique killed? If so, she sees Mystique is clearly back on Krakoa...so wouldn't she want to get revenge on her? And then does she not have a son this version?
Doesn't work like that. The reveal is Moira is a mutant whose power is, upon death, her consciousness goes back in time and returns to the womb with perfect memories of everything she lived, effectively resetting the timeline. With this knowledge, she lives 10 lives, trying everything to deal with the Mutant Question, from curing it, to mutant-human integration, to mutant isolation, to mutant supremacy, to human genocide, to robot genocide. Nothing works, but she manages to plot a blueprint of what happens in a "normal" timeline where she doesn't actively changes things, and with that she formulates a plan to, in her 11th life, finally get things right.

So everything that happened in the previous continuity of Moira's life did happen, but it's also part of (or is accounted for in) her plans. When she dies as you mentioned, it was a "shi'ar golem" in her image (like Xavier had at some point in some older story), and she just went into hiding.

Because of some things that happened in one of her previous lives with Mystique and Destiny, she does not want Mystique to find out she's alive, or Destiny to be resurrected.
Eventually, both things happen.

*EDIT: As Arthur says below, Final Crisis is BEFORE Blackest Night. I had that wrong
 
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Never read Infinite Crisis but I know this is the lead up to it. I can't remember if its that plus Identity Crisis that's a mess. But then I get confused because there's Countdown, Blackest Night, New 52, and Final Crisis...too much crisis. Cheshire I've missed you you crazy ass bitch. The team has an interesting dynamic.
So I actually really like Infinite Crisis because it was properly planned years in advance, everyone knew where it was going, and they were able to tailor their stories to it, unlike crossovers today that screw up planned stories.

The order goes Identity Crisis, the Omac Project, Villains United, Day of Vengeance, Rann-Thanagar War, and then Infinite Crisis. Also, I think there were some JLA issues that helped explain some things. In the OMAC trade, they included the WW issue where she kills Max Lord, which really should have been in the mini-series, but oh well. After that, you have Fifty-Two, which is set in the year they skipped ahead for. Another one I liked. Then Countdown, then Final Crisis, then Blackest Night, then Flashpoint. There's probably stuff in between but that's all I remember.
 
Pretty much everything modern Ultimate is decompressed as hell and after 12 issues it still feels like set up and build up.
I like a villainous Hulk that isn’t another Maestro or a dumb animal. That’s my favourite thing about new Ultimates.

I liked the initial idea of the new team being the opposite of the original Ultimates, tearing down the system as opposed to the original team being little more than living weapons (initially) because that makes them ironically like one of the main inspirations for Ultimates, The Authority. Making it go full circle.

Then they added America Chavez…….. followed by the Hawkeye isue and with the exception of that awesome Hulk issue, I don’t care.
 
I like a villainous Hulk that isn’t another Maestro or a dumb animal. That’s my favourite thing about new Ultimates.

I liked the initial idea of the new team being the opposite of the original Ultimates, tearing down the system as opposed to the original team being little more than living weapons (initially) because that makes them ironically like one of the main inspirations for Ultimates, The Authority. Making it go full circle.

Then they added America Chavez…….. followed by the Hawkeye isue and with the exception of that awesome Hulk issue, I don’t care.
There are some good ideas, but I read 20th Century men, which was the writer's previous work and had the same pitfall of the super special hyper intelligent enlightened commie girl spouting the writers weirdo politics.
 
There are some good ideas, but I read 20th Century men, which was the writer's previous work and had the same pitfall of the super special hyper intelligent enlightened commie girl spouting the writers weirdo politics.
Ultimates needed a rockstar writer/artist combo like the original two books, as it is, writer is a hack and the art sucks.

They also needed some balls, confidence, some edge ffs. It’s Ultimates, embrace it.
 
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In "lame comic crossovers" news....
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Imagine hitching your wagon to Kevin Smith in 2025.

This feels so much more dated than Archie still being stuck in the 50’s. Also, great decision having Betty stand in for the character that sucked 37 dicks.
I miss the times when Archie had REAL crossovers
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Started Secret Six. Its interesting. Catman is fun. Jeanette is interesting. Never read Infinite Crisis but I know this is the lead up to it. I can't remember if its that plus Identity Crisis that's a mess. But then I get confused because there's Countdown, Blackest Night, New 52, and Final Crisis...too much crisis. Cheshire I've missed you you crazy ass bitch. The team has an interesting dynamic.

Regarding Marvel can someone clarify something for me? @MirrorNoir, @Alexander Thaut, @Nick Obre, I throw up the kiwi symbol to you all. Its concerning Moira McTaggert. Okay so I know she was revealed to have a backup data of her son because she wanted to clone him. Now around 2001, she found the legacy virus cure but Mystique blew up Muir Island and slit Banshee's throat. Moira died on the blackbird and it looked like her spirit did some weird ascension thing. Banshee dies some years later.

Now flash forward to 2018/9 and Krakoa happens. (I haven't been able to keep up because there's just so much now.) She's revealed to have survived and surprise she's a mutant. Then it turns out there are multiple versions/lives of her....so is one of those versions the one that Mystique killed? If so, she sees Mystique is clearly back on Krakoa...so wouldn't she want to get revenge on her? And then does she not have a son this version?
All you need to know about Secret Six from Infinite Crisis and Villains United (the mini S6 spun out of) is that Cheshire fucked Catman and Vandal Savage is gay/dating Knock Out (a would be Female Fury from Apokalips). Oh and Catman now looks like Patrick Swayze.

As for the X-Men shit, it's long and VERY VERY complicated.

First off, Moira didn't back up her son. In a Classic X-Men back up story that Fabian Nicieza wrote that ran, IIRC in the same issue as the reprint of #129, Fabian retconned a healing factor ability into Proteus's original body that contradicts a major plot point from the original Proteus Saga, where Moira had to put her son in a stasis chamber (labeled "Mutant X") because her son's reality warping power was going to kill him via burning out his body, turning him into an energy being that would dissipate if he didn't possess another human body (which would burn out as well).

The story ends with Moira being convinced by Banshee to destroy her clone of her son and the remaining DNA samples of him so that her son would stay dead. The story amounted to nothing outside of Fabian namechecking it in Kings of Pain (which brought Proteus back to life, granted permanently nerfed so he can't kill people anymore by possessing them).

Second your details are wrong/confused.

>>Mystique goes crazy-crazy after learning Destiny was involved in a government conspiracy to experiment on mutants, alongside Mr Sinister, Professor X's dad, Juggernaut's dad, and an evil mad scientist named Black Womb and getting exposed to Celestial energies that briefly turned her into a double of her X-Men movie counterpart. She kidnaps Moira and somehow manages to create a new strain of the legacy virus that only kills humans and in the process, inadvertedly also finds a cure for the legacy virus. She also reassembles the Brotherhood and sends them to kill Robert Kelly while the X-Men raid Muir Island to stop her. During the fight, Wolfsbane gets depowered using Forge's power stealing gun by Mystique, who Rogue stabs after she Mystique does the same to her. Moira got beat up by Mystique when she gets taken captive, so badly by her causing her legacy virus (she's infected and is the only human with the disease; this becomes semi-important later on) to flair up and she dies. But not before passing the cure along to Xavier telepathically in the moments before her death. Mystique later reveals her desire to wipe out humanity is because Destiny's diaries predicted a coming apocalypse level event against the Earth that is left vague as to if it was Cassandra Nova or Master Khan from Xtreme X-Men and Mystique believing a planet of mutants would survive the apocalypse/stop it.

After this, two things happen. One Marvel launches a Mystique ongoing, and the other Mystique turning up in Joe Casey's UXM run as the secret mastermind of a major plot to hijack the original version of X-Corps, run by Banshee. Mystique slits Banshee's throat here before falling into a portal that leads to her next appearance in the Draco where she gets rescued by the X-Men.

The Mystique ongoing as such, has to retroactively take place AFTER the Draco, as the premise is Xavier forcing Mystique to do black ops shit for him and Forge as her handler. The first couple of issues are notorious for having Mystique claim that an impersonator killed Moira and cured the legacy virus. This was VERY unpopular, so much so that Marvel dropped it and never brought it up again and had everyone sidestep the issue of Mystique killing Moira.

Now, cut to House of X/Power of X where Jonathan Hickman pulled a Bendis and threw X-Men lore/canon into a wood chipper and retroactively declared that Moira was always a secret mutant stuck in a Mobius loop hell where everytime she died, her mind went back to her fetus form with a thirteen year window where she is vulnerable to be killed before her power kicks in at puberty and killing her resets the timelline. Oh and Xavier, Magneto, and Mr Sinister knew all about this and were working together secretly behind the scenes and could have prevented all sorts of tragedies and horrors but didn't.

Now, Hickman didn't give a shit about lore and canon when he retconned this nor did he even acknowledge Moira's always suspicious contraction of the Legacy Virus (which only affects mutants), which is the thinnest of fig leaves one could invoke to say that the bullshit retcon makes sense.

Moira lives through around nine lives when House/Power of X comes out. Really early on, Moira wanted nothing more than to basically offer up a mutant cure for any mutant who wants to be normal/live a normal life.... until Destiny/Mystique came along in this early number life.

Destiny basically proclaimed that Moira's cure (which she intended to be voluntary) would be hijacked by the military to depower people by force and that because of this, not only did Moira have to die but she had to be bullied into "contributing to the mutant cause", which Destiny using the fact that she was older than Moira, to basically tell Moira she had to get involved in the mutant struggle even if it killed her, or else Destiny would see her betrayal and murder her before her power kicks in, permanently killing her. Then burned her alive. SLOWLY.

This caused Moira to develop a complete and total hatred for Destiny and by extension Mystique, but mostly Destiny. This leading to her basically banning Destiny from being resurrected from the dead. Xavier and Magneto meanwhile used the prospect of bringing her back to life to get Mystique to do wetworks for them, mostly trying to stop Nimrod from being created.

Adding to this, Power of the X had several "diary" entries from Moira that in the barest of bare boned explainations "explained" what happened in Hickman's "fuck continuity" continuity regarding Moira's "death"; in one diary issue, Moira decided to go underground to help do the needed initial shit to form Krakoa. So Xavier arranged to have a "Shi'ar Golem" sent to Earth to take Moira's place and "die". With the added "fuck you that's why", being that Hickman never once mentioned the Legacy Virus or Moira having it.

As such, Moira hates Destiny more or less and Mystique by proxy. Ironically, neither knew WHY Moira hated them or that she was alive when Destiny got brought back to life and found out about Moira and her powers and her hate boner for her as the timeline reset meant that they never had to conversation that made the Moira's mortal enemies.
 
Did anyone read Jed McKay's Black Cat run? She was always one of my favourite Marvel characters so I decided to pick it up despite most of Marvel being questionable at best in the last ~10-15 years, but it was honestly a pretty fun run overall and had Black Cat interacting with a lot of characters you'd normally not see her hang out with.

The only thing that felt ridiculously out of place was the author's insistence that she was bisexual which in itself wouldn't have to be a problem, but every female relationship was the most forced thing ever and made no narrative or character-driven sense at all.
 
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Did anyone read Jed McKay's Black Cat run? She was always one of my favourite Marvel characters so I decided to pick it up despite most of Marvel being questionable at best in the last ~10-15 years, but it was honestly a pretty fun run overall and had Black Cat interacting with a lot of characters you'd normally not see her hang out with.

The only thing that felt ridiculously out of place was the author's insistence that she was bisexual which in itself wouldn't have to be a problem, but every female relationship was the most forced thing ever and made no narrative or character-driven sense at all.
The sooner “bisexuality” is proven to be a myth and little more than a plea for attention, the sooner we can move forward as a species.

Are there any chicks left in comics who aren’t “bisexual?” The only one I can think of is based Lois Lane.
 
Over at Marvel there's Aunt May and the Invisible Woman. MJ, maybe?
Susan or Valeria will be next, mark my words. The FF is everything the current spastics at Marvel hate, thankfully the based chinamen created a version of the FF that has caught on and the jew cuck-fetish shit is nowhere in sight.
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They’re already going for Johnny, Ben is off-limits and Reed got emasculated by two gay mutants who literally tried to groom his son.

It’s the same thing over at DC with Superman and his nuclear family. They hate it, the chad dad who’s objectively a master of the universe but chooses his human side that is strengthened by his family, the hyper-competent mom who keeps it together and keeps up despite her husband being leagues beyond her. We all know the Sam Hyde “they hate you” monologue/copypasta but it’s very true.
 
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It’s the same thing over at DC with Superman and his nuclear family.
They are trying hard with them too. Kal is a flaming faggot and Clark got metoo'd. Lois will probably get BBC in the future.

Alan Scott coming out didn't even have a buildup. He just said so. I thought he would be safe since his son's all schtick was him being gay. And he had a New 52 Earth 2 variant who was gay. It was controversial at the time since JSA wasn't in the main continuity but it was still contained there. That universe is long dead though so they just brought that idea back home.
They just wanted to take a swing at Golden Age, this time for good.

Pozzing legacy characters doesn't give them the satisfaction anymore.

The only thing that felt ridiculously out of place was the author's insistence that she was bisexual which in itself wouldn't have to be a problem, but every female relationship was the most forced thing ever and made no narrative or character-driven sense at all.
Honestly she and MJ being the party girls they are it wouldn't be so out of place. Writers just can't write for shit.

MJ, maybe?
After OMD her jumping from one dick to another isn't that much different honestly. Since they can't be together anymore they are rubbing it in by making Peter a cuck.

If Gwen's revival isn't a fakeout I expect her to lick pussy as well. Or another storyline where he fucks Osborn or something.

thankfully the based chinamen created a version of the FF that has caught on and the jew cuck-fetish shit is nowhere in sight.
It is so hilarious to see that the game is just pure goonfest like any other chinkshit. The big office must be biting their nails. But if you want to get shekels out of gaymers you need to stop being a fag and kneel. Concord taught that lesson to everyone.
 
Oh the Mystique solo. So fun. So stupid. Her line about the illegal music downloads on Xanga plants it firmly in incredibly dated land. This is followed up by the Rogue solo in which she gets tangled up with Sunfire and Deathstrike.

I need more Bishop and Sage detective stories tbh. And a drink.

I'm surprised there hasn't been omnibus collections of specifically X-Men 91 exclusively although that's because the start leads in and out of so many other titles. Chuck Austen's disaster of a run should be collected but they need to go all in and make fun of it being complete shit. (Like how Discotek has on the back cover of the Street Fighter cartoon all the memes and in jokes in their summaries.

Im surprised that Generation X doesn't have an omnibus either.

I reread End of Greys and.....I know its fiction and I know half the deaths are characters who only have what....one appearance tops, but wow it gave me a visceral reaction. It disturbed me which obviously was the intention but still. Like does Jean even know her entire family is gone? Unless it got retconed. The Shi'ar can be such asshats.
 
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Alan Scott coming out didn't even have a buildup. He just said so. I thought he would be safe since his son's all schtick was him being gay. And he had a New 52 Earth 2 variant who was gay. It was controversial at the time since JSA wasn't in the main continuity but it was still contained there. That universe is long dead though so they just brought that idea back home.
I may have said this here before, but with very specific exceptions (characters entirely too iconic to mess with), if a character is made gay in some other continuity, movie, show, it's only a matter of time until they're made gay in the real continuity. And once they're gay, gay is all they'll ever be.
 
I may have said this here before, but with very specific exceptions (characters entirely too iconic to mess with), if a character is made gay in some other continuity, movie, show, it's only a matter of time until they're made gay in the real continuity. And once they're gay, gay is all they'll ever be.
The only exception to this I can think of is Colossus who was gay in Ultimate X-Men but, at least as far as I'm aware, never got changed in 616.
 
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