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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary


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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[Chunky Salsa]

What caliber? Also do you have mag limits in Bongland?

7.5x55mm swiss; and no magazine capacity limit.

 

[isalaide]

Thank you for finding a source as I had heard this on my dog walk on multiple videos. So from what I can politically attain; Starmer had a cabinet meeting on Tuesday where multiple cabinet members walked out and forced resignation we do not know who but only that it was about half the cabinet and there was shouting. So we know Cooper and Rayner hate Reeves with a passion, this is correct as she is political poison.

After that, there were no resolutions but only Starmer losing half his cabinet which again basically forces resignation. Starmer called all MPs to Number 10 to discuss that and essentially route out his rebels but to no avail. We know about 100 backbenchers and half the cabinet is at risk now. This meeting did not go well and members left again with no resolution.

So who do I think if it's half the cabinet?

Rayner; absolutely, she would exit the martyr and to be honest part of her I imagine knows this is political suicide and would piss off the unions and constituents.

Streeting; is one of the few that has good ideas and is the golden child. Starmer has stolen his announcements for his benefit and his leaving with Rayner with a promise is a good deal for him.

Cooper; Yes as well because she and Rayner are in line to succeed Starmer and by walking out she avoids the blowback.

Reynalds, Reed, and Philipson along with Benn, Murray, and Stevens off too.

You are right about Rayner because someone has to die on the altar of The Suffering of the People and it has to be a high up member of the left wing of the party. Streeting and Philipson, no. They are not accepted by the left wing. Not Reeves or McFadden. Lammy is a fifty fifty. Cooper and Miliband for certain. Kendall will brexit about but then no. Nandy probably yes.

 

[Kier Starmer]

Is it normal for a sitting PM to do this kind of publicity tour? Feels a little... campaign-y.

Oh, it is weird, he is trying to recover his image. H just got his ass handed to him by his cabinet and a large minority of the backbench. It is a Thatcher move but you have to be likeable. Starmer is trying to politically reset to this weird technocrat but that is not the party he is in.

Streeting must be furious though he took his idea and is acting like the prodigal saint. Gratz Kier removing the bureaucratic level is so clever but the guy simpers for compliments because he is so narcissistic. With may looming too and a lot of reform seats coming he is going to be on deathwatch.

I suspect any cous will be when they get the estimates or after They sense blood in the water now and cabinet ministers are sharks.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Can't work because of a crippling disability?
Can't afford to turn the heating on because benefits are gone?
Can't afford food because welfare has been ended?
One simple solution; Kill yourself, courtesy of the British government.

How many months away from this are we?

 

[Special spoonie]

Allegedly the NHS job cuts figures are increasing. Affecting everywhere right down to the Trusts. https://www.theguardian.com/politic...s-could-go-in-labours-radical-overhaul-of-nhs

Interesting what others said about the discontent surrounding Streetings idea being hijacked by Starmer. I wonder if this is why the figure is now randomly rising. Starmer took his idea. Now him & Rachel form accounts will now let this spiral out of control. All these cuts without any plans about how this is going to work will definitely go well.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

Be fair, Reyner is not a reflection of women in general.

You are on the Farm friend, you do not need to lie.

 

[Kier Starmer]

jfc so 10,000 suddenly turns to 30,000 that is fucking crazy. This is why Starmer and Reeves are dangerous they cut, cut, cut but have no idea of cause and effect. There needs to be some form of administration in the NHS because they do a lot of the behind-the-scenes stuff like finance. The job market is also pretty tight at the moment so those poor fuckers could be jobless for a while.

 

[Mound Dweller]

Okay so non-consensual activity bad and main predicator of murder and sexually degeneracy bad and blah blah blah.
Why do I keep seeing hatchet jobs against choking/rough sex/anal everywhere? Every paper pretty much every week has some 40 something 2nd waver telling me that a little light oxygen deprivation means MurderRapeCannibalism on the horizon it's all very Mary Whitehouse.
Don't get me wrong I know the overexposure to porn the kids are getting is resulting in a record numbers of A&E visits to deal with prolapsed rectums in teenagers and all that, but it's a bit of an odd fad to to fixate on when there's more obvious shit that could be focused on. the age gap ick for example which seems to be an exclusively plebbit-amerimutt thing, I suspect it's part of some script from somewhere.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

You are on the Farm friend, you do not need to lie.

Interestingly I've noticed women seem to be the ones who really dislike Reyner. Men seem dismissive of her by and large but women I know have really gone off on why they don't like her. That she might be Labour's first female PM is quite upsetting to them.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

Interestingly I've noticed women seem to be the ones who really dislike Reyner. Men seem dismissive of her by and large but women I know have really gone off on why they don't like her. That she might be Labour's first female PM is quite upsetting to them.

Oh, it’s simple. She’s making them all look retarded and stupid. And if there is one thing they hate it’s a women showing them up.

 

[EddyRooney]

Can't work because of a crippling disability?
Can't afford to turn the heating on because benefits are gone?
Can't afford food because welfare has been ended?
One simple solution; Kill yourself, courtesy of the British government.

How many months away from this are we?

Where is the individual responsibility ? Are we a nation of infants that have to be constantly provided for, incapable of fending for ourselves ?

Crippling disability ? What percentage in society actually have a disability so bad they can't do anything ? Fair enough, they should get all the support they need. But I would argue the real number is a lot smaller than is made out. Especially in mental health, all this "I'm too anxious to work" is bullshit. If you're too anxious to work, you're too anxious to claim welfare too.

Can't afford to turn the heating on ? Either get a better paying job or get a new job and off the dole. If you're a pensioner, perhaps you should have made better retirement decisions. You've had 50 years to make the right choices. Aesop's fable at work if you're a grasshopper.

Can't afford food ? Get a job or fucking starve.

Very few of these situations are to my mind where welfare is deserved. More than anything welfare should be SHORT TERM. It should be a means of getting people into work and off subsidies.

The vast majority of answers to all these problems is get a job or work harder and get a better job. I probably sound hard and uncaring to some people, but the truth is that it is reality. If people were introduced to this reality at a much earlier age and understood they must get a job and keep one for at least 40 years as adolescents, then this country wouldn't be in the state it's in.
Too many taking out the system, not enough contributors. This expectation that the state should provide a cradle to grave subsistence with arse wiping service inbetween is folly.

 

[pot of sneed]

I think people on welfare should get it but have the very basics covered, no fun or thrills attatched. You get food, basic amenities and services but certainly no treats and fun stuff, and if you're caught fudging the system just because you're too lazy to work, you should be offered a choice: accept a suitable job and work, actually work for it so you can afford the fun things or help stops altogether. All non-natives, immigrants, spawn of immigrants and career criminals should get fuck all but a boot up the arse back to where they come from/incarceration. You want nice stuff? Work for it.

 

[Otterly]

If you're a pensioner, perhaps you should have made better retirement decisions.

We have enough money to let native pensioners heat their homes. We are spending billions on putting migrants up in hotels and giving them free private health and dental. Wages in this country are so low and taxes so high that people aren’t able to save much. We can look after our own if we stop spunking the tax money up the wall on useless stuff and actively damaging stuff.
How much public money went to the private purse during covid, for nothing? A billion? hundred billion? More? Our grandkids will still be paying it off.
Imagine if we had people who were intelligent, not corrupt and who worked diligently for the good of the country in charge.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

I think people on welfare should get it but have the very basics covered, no fun or thrills attatched. You get good, basic amenities and services but certainly no treats and fun stuff, and if you're caught fudging the system just because you're too lazy to work, you should be offered a choice: accept a suitable job and work, actually work for it so you can afford the fun things or help stops altogether.

That’s quite literally the current system. The issue and the problems it is currently facing are because those rules are being ignored for the types of people that you mention.

Which is why things get real frustrating. Because if it wasn’t going to those people there would actually be enough money for ‘fun and thrills’ for the people that actually need the system.

The issue is we are giving way more money to people not from this country who hold no value whatsoever.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Where is the individual responsibility ? Are we a nation of infants that have to be constantly provided for, incapable of fending for ourselves ?

In a first world country, we look after the sick and infirm. Always have, always should do. That's the sign of a strong country.

Crippling disability ? What percentage in society actually have a disability so bad they can't do anything ? Fair enough, they should get all the support they need. But I would argue the real number is a lot smaller than is made out. Especially in mental health, all this "I'm too anxious to work" is bullshit. If you're too anxious to work, you're too anxious to claim welfare too.

Crippling disability is someone who is disabled beyond their control. All 'mental health' sufferers should be drafted. Nothing like a few months in a sandy shit hole on front-line patrol to put shit into perspective.

Can't afford to turn the heating on ? Either get a better paying job or get a new job and off the dole. If you're a pensioner, perhaps you should have made better retirement decisions. You've had 50 years to make the right choices. Aesop's fable at work if you're a grasshopper.

Your hate boner for pensioners is showing again. You seem to be autistically retarded when it comes to this subject so I'll spell it out again; pensioners had 50 fifty years to make the right choices, and they did. The system was 'work, then retire, paid for by the money you put in'. It worked fine, until some cunt rug pulled. The rug puller is to blame, not the 100's of thousands who did what millions before them did.

I'm guessing you weren't working during 2008, when some banks just closed accounts of private pensions. How do you plan for that?

Can't afford food ? Get a job or fucking starve.

Very few of these situations are to my mind where welfare is deserved. More than anything welfare should be SHORT TERM. It should be a means of getting people into work and off subsidies.

Long term welfare should be provided to people who can't work, for genuine reasons and to top up the pensions and benefits of the elderly. Any able-bodied man or woman of working age (<below sixty, this new bullshit of retiring at 67 is bullshit).
Short term benefits are pointless, as the system is set up for abuse. The job centre will not talk to you if you have a job, even if you have been given warning that your job will soon end. You cannot be proactive.

The vast majority of answers to all these problems is get a job or work harder and get a better job. I probably sound hard and uncaring to some people, but the truth is that it is reality. If people were introduced to this reality at a much earlier age and understood they must get a job and keep one for at least 40 years as adolescents, then this country wouldn't be in the state it's in.

All of that worked well until it started breaking down in the 80s when mass migration went unchecked. Blair put it on rocket-shoes and subsequent governments launched it from a cannon.

Too many taking out the system, not enough contributors. This expectation that the state should provide a cradle to grave subsistence with arse wiping service inbetween is folly.

It's not a folly, it's what's expected from a strong country, and I don't include benefit moochers from there.

The other side of the coin is the tax dodgers. If the millions and billionaires paid what they should, we would be in a much better situation.

But nahh, don't deport abdul or deny umbongo a visa. Don't tell Apple to pay their dues or Mr Chumly-warner cecil-frampton-willaimsworth III esq to pay the fucking tax he should, let's put all of our energy in scraping back ten grand from some bag heads and chavs.
All 3 should happen.

 

[Kier Starmer]

I don't think this cut will go through honestly, you would have to be enormously stupid to do it not for economic reasons. I assume these changes would not come in until autumn as it has to go through approval etc. But I don't think it will go through because the gambit being cast down.

Your party is threatening to essentially make you resign as you cannot gather a cabinet together. You're doing that before by-elections too where that would make your minority bigger so they will have no confidence in you uncontested. A no-confidence vote too will kill Labour because party members have no confidence in Reyner and the opposition with the public could force a snap election.

Starmer does not realize the effect this would have on Labour if it happened because the party would die. At this moment though I think Reeves is done, Starmer this evening corrected the media after she blamed Trump for the decline in growth and he said no. There is in theory a way he can survive this but it is axe Reeves and blame it all on her but then he has a cabinet where Reyner is dominant.

Starmer does not like being told no but I don't think he wants to be known as the PM who stands on the corpses of severely disabled people, May still gets heckled about killing old people.

The one thing Reeves snuck in is that all ISAs are taxed after £4k savings which is retarded. It forces people to put it in safes and will increase burglaries which are getting higher.

 

[Pickle Inspector]

Looks like some feminists in Labour want to decriminalise prostitutes street walking since they think it’ll somehow lead to less sexual exploitation because I guess criminal gangs would never take advantage of women being able to openly do that:

The committee stage was apparently today but can’t find anything about it, here’s the amended bill:

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/59-01/0187/amend/crime_policing_pbc_rm_0314.pdf

I’m sure the British public are going to love when their home towns are full of prostitutes bothering people. (It’ll just be illegal for anyone to pay for sex)

 

[Coo Coo Bird]

And finally as a wee anecdote, I have a relative that was diagnosed with Asperger's back when it was still medically recognised, and that completely flat, stilted cadence that Starmer has is identical to how he speaks. So much so that if wasn't for having a different accent you'd probably have a hard time telling them apart by speech alone. He also is a genuine psycopath that has no empathy for anyone, and would absolutely behave exactly like Starmer if he was in the same position.

That interview where he talks about not dreaming or having a favorite book backs that up.
‘You asked me questions I’ve never asked myself’: Keir Starmer’s most personal interview yet

But then he can’t really say if he’s strictly an optimist or a pessimist and, no, doesn’t know if he’s an extrovert or an introvert, either. “I’ve never really thought about it. I don’t know what that tells you.” He doesn’t know what he dreamed last night – or ever: “I don’t dream.” Just hits the pillow at 11 and – “bang” – is out till around 5. He doesn’t have a favourite novel or poem, wasn’t scared of anything as a child. “Nothing. No phobias.”

Kind of digressing, but in the article there's a section where he's essentially bragging about using the NHS instead of using his money for private care:

In the first televised debate, he insisted that he would never go private. Never, ever I push him now, in no circumstances? “What was put to me is: if you’re on the waiting list, would you? The answer is no. I had a meniscus done so I’ve been on that waiting list myself. It took months. And meant that I couldn’t play football. So there was a serious issue for Keir Starmer” – that third person again – “but it didn’t occur to me for a minute to jump the queue. I waited my turn. I don’t find that odd. I was then asked: what about an acute [situation]? Well, I’d go to the NHS. If there is one place to go to if you are in a life-threatening situation, it is the NHS. The private hospitals refer to the NHS. For all the faults, all the stresses and strains described in Vic’s world, when it comes to acute crisis, they are fantastic.”

Why is he talking about taking resources away from poor people like it's something to be proud of? Isn't this like a rich guy saying he goes to soup kitchens because he likes the food?

 

[6MillionCoofs]

but I don't think he wants to be known as the PM who stands on the corpses of severely disabled people, May still gets heckled about killing old people.

Nobody does. As you say May still gets shit for it and that was at a time when people whsre willing to go ‘understandable’ as it were.

There is literally no even arguable reason why Starmer is doing anything.

The last thing he needs is to be known for killing disabled on top of everything else.

 

[EddyRooney]

We have enough money to let native pensioners heat their homes. We are spending billions on putting migrants up in hotels and giving them free private health and dental. Wages in this country are so low and taxes so high that people aren’t able to save much. We can look after our own if we stop spunking the tax money up the wall on useless stuff and actively damaging stuff.
How much public money went to the private purse during covid, for nothing? A billion? hundred billion? More? Our grandkids will still be paying it off.
Imagine if we had people who were intelligent, not corrupt and who worked diligently for the good of the country in charge.

I think you're conflating issues here.
Why is any pensioner, that has had 50 years to plan for retirment, in a position where they can't afford to turn their heating on ? That is an individual's responsibility. I don't see why that is the job of the state.
The separate issue of spending on migrants is ridiculous. It is only because of Human Rights Lawyers, such as our Beloved Leader, that we are in a situation where they are being supported as they are.
I'm not sure if the public finances do stretch to looking after our own, regardless of the migrants. I think it is the current zeitgeist to blame the migrants for this issue when I'm not entirely convinced that the public purse stretches regardless. I'm definitely not saying the public should continue footing the migrant bill ( exactly the opposite, it should never have been allowed to develop as it has ) I just don't think this country has the productivity, willingness to work, or the dependency ratio to fund itself any more. Especially with a massively bloated public sector ( with an army of inefficient middle managers ) that creates no wealth.
The trouble to my mind is to create a country that can afford to live within its means again, there needs to be a colossal pruning of the state ( people simply expect the state to do too much for them ) accompanied with tax reductions and an encouragement to the private sector to create new industry and jobs. We are heading in exactly the opposite direction to this.

You seem to be autistically retarded when it comes to this subject so I'll spell it out again; pensioners had 50 fifty years to make the right choices, and they did. The system was 'work, then retire, paid for by the money you put in'. It worked fine, until some cunt rug pulled.

I'm autistically retarded because I disagree with you ? I'll tell you what, come back when you have a finance degree, 20 years plus in the industry, specifically in and around pensions and fund management, numerous financial qualifications ( IAQ, IMC, CFA ) worked through 2008 and saw what happened, have been to the investment seminars and understand the complete ignorance of laymen like you around the subject. You couldn't spell a thing out to me about this subject, I don't know which is greater, your arrogance in thinking you're an expert or your ignorance of just how little you comprehend of a complex financial subject. I guess it's just Dunning-Kruger in effect.