US US Politics General 2 - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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[Otterly]

It is all out in the open now, it

I don’t think it is. This sort of corner of the internet has a fair grasp on what’s going on, but unless it’s acknowledged by ‘trusted sources’ then the public don’t believe it.
I would like to have the people involved confess their actions in public, in a way that cannot be denied. There’s too much denial, too much obfuscation about everything.
I think the public kind of half believes that everything’s run by demons but they don’t really, or they don’t think about it so much. I want it out in the open, discussed openly.
Things like the Rwandan who stabbed and almost beheaded three little girls in the uk. Everyone knows it’s dodgy, but very few know that the dad seems to have been a RPF fighter, and nobody knows why he was brought here to the UK. If I could wave a magic wand, I would make this stuff known, and I would show the public what has been done to them. The rest would follow.
I want this for everything. Every email from water companies saying ‘yeah just shove that sewage/effluent into that river fuck it’ every pharma memo that goes ‘bury that data, get rid of that lab monkey who exposed it.’ Every dodgy deal, all of it.
We are drowning in lies, and corruption and pollution.

 

[drammamean]

The only way to ensure pardons are remotely legitimate, at a minimum, is for them to be hand signed. If they’re signed by autopen why should they be taken seriously? This is very simple and obvious.

It’s like that dumb bitch in that creep styxenhammer’s thread who wants the police to take her seriously but can’t be bothered to go file a report. Except pardons are already written by attorneys and hand delivered to the President to merely sign with his signature, and he didn’t.

So fuck off with your “autopen counts as a signature!!!!” arguments.

 

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Trump overruled Biden's pardons.
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That's not how pardons work

On paper, the idea of reducing bloat from the federal government is something everyone could agree on, left or right. The problem is that DOGE is doing it in the most retarded way imaginable, focusing on blindly cutting headcounts rather than actually delving deep into the actual mechanisms behind certain government organizations and optimizing them from there.

For DOGE to actually be effective, their actions would actually require time and thought to be put into their cuts, but ultimately what they've amounted to is a spectacle to make people think that Trump has actually done anything of benefit. He's not mass firing any of the spooky evil glow-in-the-dark CIA/FBI agents that people imagine do all of the government's work, he's firing the fucking 40something year old nature enthusiast park rangers keeping families from getting stranded in the wilderness in the hopes of privatizing as much of the American experience as possible.

Trump firing a bunch of inspectors general (literally the people who have been doing what doge claims to be doing for the past 50 years) is disturbing. The IGs are meant to be completely apolitical and usually serve both repub and dem presidents, plus they generally know what the fuck goes on in their respective departments vs Elon who's just a complete retard looking in with zero knowledge of how things work.

 

[edgymovies]

This is a key issue. There is no "good way" to trim the copious fat in government. If you try to do it "properly" then it requires standing up an entity that almost certainly will add to the bloat and it will take years while more bureaucratic measures are established to prevent the fat being trimmed in the first place. Then the second you start cutting into it there's a massive media apparatus ready to say how it was a mistake and amplify the voices of whoever will complain about being let go.

Even now we're seeing how judges are being used to proclaim that it's actually illegal to trim that fat and demanding those affected be given backpay. If you can't do it "properly" then you do it improperly and get it done. Perfect is the enemy of good.

it's not that the judges are arbitrarily deciding that the government can't reduce wasteful spending. it's that the method Trump is going about it is illegal. Yes cutting government spending the legal way is hard and you have to make compromises when you do it. If the president can just decide what to spend money on, why would we even bother having congress vote on budget bills?

 

[drammamean]

Trump firing a bunch of inspector generals (literally the people who have been doing what doge claims to be doing for the past 50 years) is disturbing. The IGs are meant to be completely apolitical and usually serve both repub and dem presidents, plus they generally know what the fuck goes on in their respective departments vs Elon who's just a complete retard.

Oh? Then what have the IGs been doing this whole time? And God knows the Democrats have kept a single corner of the bureaucracy “apolitical.”

Give me a break.

 

[CyrusHowler]

(Does this apply to Hunter too or is it just the barrage of last min pardons during Biden's last day?

Since Hunter was actually convicted and THEN pardoned, probably not.

It’s the “Preemptive” Pardons that don’t hold weight and those are the ones that were signed in auto pen.

 

[Dafuqisdis?]

That's not how pardons work

Trump firing a bunch of inspectors general (literally the people who have been doing what doge claims to be doing for the past 50 years) is disturbing. The IGs are meant to be completely apolitical and usually serve both repub and dem presidents, plus they generally know what the fuck goes on in their respective departments vs Elon who's just a complete retard looking in with zero knowledge of how things work.

If that's what they've been doing for the past 50 years then they've been failing miserably. The fedgov is drowning in bloat and waste and I know because I used to work for it.

 

[Chongqing]

I don't think any president actually write the pardons themselves.

They do. They have to or else it's not valid, and none of them want to risk that.

 

[gamerweeb1]

Trying to “unpardon” someone is insane, even by Trump standards.

Also note: if the Supreme Court allows Trump to do this, then the next Democrat president can unpardon ALL January 6th rioters and traitors.

 

[Aquarius]

Zero chance this actually holds up. The president has the power to issue unconditional pardons. Using an electric pen instead of his hand to make the signature makes no difference. Sorry to anybody who wants to see fauci in prison, but remember that whatever power you give to your side, it will be used by the other side when the pendulum swings in that direction

When I saw this, I thought, “doesn’t this fuck the Jan. 6ers and Ross Ulbricht?” Is this the final form of “no u” tennis-style politics?

 

[News Enjoyer]

A bit of a concerning move, admittedly, due to the precedent it could set, but undeniably the funniest possible thing he could do right now.
He must know it's unlikely to stand up to judicial scrutiny, though, and everything else he's done thus far has been calculated, so I doubt this is random vindictive flailing. It makes me wonder if he is indeed looking to set precedent via its failure, a reverse psychology play... just to solidify the presidential pardon and protect the January 6th crew from future reversals, or something bigger picture?

Or maybe it's just regular 2D Chess and he's just angry. Guess we'll see!

 

[DickMain]

So fuck off with your “autopen counts as a signature!!!!” arguments.

Is this some auto-generated account or something? I don't think anybody was arguing this.

What are you up to in there, buddy?

This is like the third no-pfp low-post dud account that just randomly started posting in the last couple of pages. And they're all speaking with the same uncharacteristic styles like all ending statements with "!" like you'd see some facebook grandma do. Did a bunch of botted Manchurian Candidate accounts just spring to life?

 

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Trying to nullify the pardon by saying Biden wasn't really behind it only works if Biden isn't willing to stand by the pardons he signed off on.

I get wanting to go after these people still, but this is not legally a great way of doing that.

Or, again, if Trump has evidence that someone else used the Autopen.

Remember, the Autopen is only allowed because it's transmitting a President's direct intent to sign something. If he had an assistant click the button for him. If someone did it and let him know later. If they theorize that his administration was a collective enterprise and thus an assistant or family member or chief of staff could sign for him and it would still count cause it was "the Biden admin" signing. All of those invalidate the signature. It has to be Biden, directly, intentionally, signing something.

And if Trump has evidence that this happened once, then he can make the solid case that it happened repeatedly throughout Biden's presidency. He could make the case that anything Biden autopen'd doesn't count. And I can't see him doing this without evidence, it's too much of an unforced error otherwise.

Remember that they had cameras everywhere, all over the white house. Even the fake white house that they built across the street to circumvent documentation requirements probably was filmed 24x7. Those recordings were probably handled by the Secret Service. The Secret Service generally likes Trump. Even the ones that didn't like him probably wouldn't be able to easily destroy recordings.

Imagine if Trump has some staffer or Jeff Zients dead to rights on film running the autopen while Biden was off in lala land.

 

[Justin Igger]

Every time someone comes in here and complains about DOGE cuts it just makes me think they’re probably one of those bloated tick beaurocrat faggots who got fired, after all, they have nothing to do all day now but cunt out online

 

[drammamean]

Is this some auto-generated account or something? I don't think anybody was arguing this.
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What are you up to in there, buddy?

Try reading the thread.

The only dud I see here is you.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Again, the presidential pardon is unassailable and absolute.

Unless the president didn't actually make the pardon. Do you understand what fraud is?

 

[Esope]

Seeing people shielding corporations and big pharma to own trump and the chuds will never be unfunny to me

 

[Fishmalk Observer]

LMAO this is retardedly illegal. This is more "I'm totally going to release the Epstein Files!"-style smoke and mirrors to distract from his dumb ass tanking the economy.

The greatest sin that Joe Biden ever committed was being the only person to defeat Donald Trump in an election when he ran in 2020.

Joe Biden winning and holding the presidency for four years straight is something that MAGA, the GOP, far leftists/communists/tankies, and most importantly, Donald Trump will never forgive.

Trump lived four straight years in embarrassment as a pariah, under constant legal pressure, and Biden pardoning his family and people that Trump waged culture wars against, like Anthony Fauci basically stole away the catharsis Trump wanted to feel by waging lawfare against them. Trump has been president for almost two full months and he STILL cannot get the taste of Joe Biden's dick out of his mouth.

He will forever have to live with the shame of having lost four years worth of attention to an aged, slowed Joseph R. Biden. A year from now, two years, three years, even up until inauguration day 2029, he'll still be seething about Joe Biden. It's fucking pathetic.

Imagine trying to spin Joe fucking BIDEN of all people into some kind of 64D chess criminal mastermind. That worked for Hillary Clinton because people had a natural distrust of Hillary Clinton, it didn't work on Grampa Joe, and it will never work on Grampa Joe. All Bondi would be doing is wasting taxpayer money on cases that can't even go to trial, all because Trump is still asshurt that he took an involuntary 4 year sabbatical from the presidency.

Hey there Neil, haven't see your retarded fucking nigger ass in here for a while. I thought you learned that staying in your little cuck corner was the best thing for you.You should go back

Biden is a braindead faggot and does not have the ability to think. He's in a constant cycle of instinctive hair smelling and ice cream. He is a non-entity. Trump lost to the most massive cheating apparatus ever devised in the USA, protected by a fake pandemic allowing their operative to operate blatantly illegally, and including a completely captured judiciary ensuring that no remedy was possible. basically, kill yourself.

 

[Pierre D'Olnique]

Scrolling through made it feel like a lot of people woke up with a huge poo in their big boy pants.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

Trying to “unpardon” someone is insane, even by Trump standards.

Also note: if the Supreme Court allows Trump to do this, then the next Democrat president can unpardon ALL January 6th rioters and traitors.

Not if Trump personally signed these pardons, autopen or not. The accusation here is that Biden didn't pardon these people, someone else did using his signature, which if true would render them void.
It's the entire point of this [not]happening.