US US Politics General 2 - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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Members of the Trump Administration
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[Levitcus prime24]

Muzzie State-Sponsored pirates, who would enslave any non-Muslim they couldn't ransom. The Barbary pirates terrorized the Mediterranean for a thousand years.

No you see we have to let the pirates fuck us because something something forever war something something mic

 

[Gog & Magog]

The man wakes up to take a piss and people accuse him of holding his dick with the wrong hand.

Which hand ought a man hold his dick with?

Stop breakfast questioning everything!

But what if I didn't?

 

[You're MDNWU]

Lmao no you’re not.

"How do you do my fellow Trump voters? Aren't we all just so angry he's doing exactly what we voted for?!"

 

[JohnnyG]

The thing is, there's probably no way to prove that that isn't what happened. He can just say that it was done in his presence and at his direction, even if it wasn't

Ok, let's go down that path then. Depose Biden and let him explain it.

Given how his past interview went ("definitely guilty but too senile to ever defend himself"), at best he stumbles through an unconvincing "oh yeah, I definitely did whatever they say I did, ask the people behind the curtain" script that the American people see right through, waking up more of the population to how illegitimate the last Regime was (and how insane their Shitlib countrymen who pretend otherwise are).

At worst, he can't even keep his scripted responses straight and outright admits he had no clue what was going on, it was a total Weekend at Bernie's presidency, and there are more orders and actions to investigate. Absolutely worth pursuing in either case.

 

[( ◠‿◠ )]

I assume Biden's going to get dragged out of his retirement home to make a statement at some point in the next day or two.

What do you expect him to say? "Where am I? Who are you? What's going on? What pardon?"
That's more terrifying to his cronies than any other scenario. There is no telling what he would say unless he's reading from a script.
Lmao, get him on TV without a teleprompter and every single person who was pardoned might die of a heart attack right then and save us all the trouble.

 

[Not 6 Foot]

Which hand ought a man hold his dick with?

Trick question. One hand implies your dick is too small for two.

 

[AllieKat]

The absolute funniest part of all this shit is how none of you are even questioning why Trump isn't prosecuting Biden for supposedly rigging the 2020 election. The guy is still alive and kicking, unpardoned, he's at Trump's every legal whim, yet Trump doesn't seem to want to dole out any punishment towards him.

Weird, huh? He's had access to the government's backend since January 20th, you'd think he'd somehow find evidence of all the fraud, right? Hell, back in 2020 he had access to the government's backend both before and after the election, you'd think he'd have already done it, right?

It's almost like Trump knows he lost fair and square, and there'd be no case to actually fight in court. It's almost like this is bullshit smoke and mirrors to keep Fox News fed and their viewers entertained with news about Trump doing things, doesn't matter if they aren't actually improving material conditions for them in the slightest, as long as he's taking culture war victories, that's all that matters.

It's 2025, no one cares about 2020. Get a new bit and stay malding & coping.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Several legal scholars have stated that if you accept a pardon you are admitting guilt and must fully confess to any crimes covered by said pardon if brought before a court.

Incorrect. Pardon conveys no legal guilt, merely guilt in the court of public opinion.

 

[autistic dog]

Based on discussions with regretful trump supporters the majority of them are angry he is not Hitler. They actually believe the media hype that he was going to put women back in the kitchen the gays back in the closet that they would be assigned a tradwife.

Vance if your reading this YOU ARE NOT GOING FAR ENOUGH. That is a far bigger risk of isolating your supporters than going to far. Find a happy medium somewhere between where you currently are and the holocaust.

 

[GeorgeFloydFentanylStash]

Did anyone get the rope since Pam Bondi became attorney general.

Why aren't we seeing people put in prison.

We want fucking life sentences.

I want to see everyone involved get the Ross Ulberich treatment. Double life sentences for everyone involved with the corruption.

 

[Officer Douche]

Former Trump voter here. There is no plan. Trump is just insane. He’s tearing up alliances to help support Putin, his supporters have this insane idea that protesting at a Tesla station is terrorism, and the economy is collapsing while innocent citizens are getting disappeared in foreign nations without due process because they’re just brown.

Why do people always cry "muh Russia"

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Dumb question because i don't know much about politics and related fields: Can he do that?

That depends. If Trump is arguing that he can overrule Biden's pardon because Biden was not mentally well - then, no, he cannot do that. The 25th would have had to been invoked during Biden's term. If Trump, on the other hand, argues that it wasn't Biden that signed the pardons, then, yes, Trump can do that...supposing, of course, that Trump can prove that was the case. Autopen, by itself, doesn't prove much, though at least one Biden staffer came forward and said that Biden didn't sign those pardons (other staffers apparently dispute this)

 

[Allied-Mastercomputer]

I was curious about how the president can just cancel out any federal crime just because he wants to, so I did some digging into the history behind presidential pardons.

The presidential pardon is an extension of the practice that the King or Ruler could offer clemency as an “Act of Mercy”. The measure was proposed during the constitutional convention by Alexander Hamilton (thanks for that, you prick) and the first presidential pardon was issued by George Washington to the members of the Whiskey Rebellion when it was shut down.

The most notable pardons in history include Nixon pardoning James Hoffa, Gerald Ford pardoning Nixon, and Abraham Lincoln pardoning all confederate soldiers during the civil war to encourage them to desert the confederate army.

The most controversial presidential pardon, however, is when president Andrew Johnson pardoned Jefferson Davis, former president of the Confederate States of America, after the Civil War concluded.

I have not found any compelling reason why the president has this power, only that it was a holdover from the old ways of life. I can’t imagine the founding fathers expected the power to be used on pedophiles and mass murderers like what Biden did but that’s how they wrote it.

 

[FILTH Tourist]

Seems like he's going for technicality to get those pardons revoked

Claiming forgery isn't a technically, it is an actual crime that would nullify any legal document. If Trump was just complaining about the autopen then it would be going for a technicality.

the blanket pardons should be revoked on the grounds that it's fucking ridiculous to say "literally anything that happened in those ten years, even stuff we aren't aware of at the time of pardoning, is pardoned".

Hunter Biden could have murdered a hooker, cut her up and ate her in 2021 and the blanket pardon would mean he gets away with it.

The power of the pardon is pretty much unlimited. I'm not against blanket pardons in principle because it is the ultimate shield against feds constantly trying to fuck you over in the courts like what they did with Trump during the Biden years. When his term is done Trump is going to need to blanket pardon himself and his family to protect them from any retribution.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

I thought it meant he was going after Hunter and Fauci, which were the last pardons he put out, right? I may be wrong, the last 4-6 months have been a whirlwind of political back and forth lol

Reminder: Joe Biden was still President 8 weeks ago. His inability to speak on this matter today would pretty much seal it.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

But I would suggest they aren't actually allowed to do that.

They aren't. There is nothing to suggest that the pardon power is delegatable.

 

[autistic dog]

That depends. If Trump is arguing that he can overrule Biden's pardon because Biden was not mentally well - then, no, he cannot do that. The 25th would have had to been invoked during Biden's term. If Trump, on the other hand, argues that it wasn't Biden that signed the pardons, then, yes, Trump can do that...supposing, of course, that Trump can prove that was the case. Autopen, by itself, doesn't prove much, though at least one Biden staffer came forward and said that Biden didn't sign those pardons (other staffers apparently dispute this)

The pardon were signed and released when Biden was sitting live on camera at the Trump inauguration. We know he didn't sign them and was not present. The only remaining question is if he authorized it.

But that's not the point. It's to get the media to fall over it's self trying to disprove trump and end up explaining the auto pen has no verification or timestamps so he really can't prove when it was signed or who triggered the pen to write the signature. That alone likely gets all of them thrown out.

If it doesn't well that means trump can sign A LOT more executive orders going forward.

 

[FILTH Tourist]

Incorrect. Pardon conveys no legal guilt, merely guilt in the court of public opinion.

If that was the case I would gladly take a blanket pardon just so I can admit guilt for literally every crime.

 

[( ◠‿◠ )]

Frankly while presidential pardons get abused on occasion, having the next president able to roll them back would make the clause pointless

Good thing that's not what's going on here!
I can't force you to read the thread before posting, but I strongly suggest it.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

We want fucking life sentences.

Well you aren't going to get that. The best we can hope for is to hang those pardons around their necks as a mark of shame for the rest of their lives and removal of the hero status they expected to enjoy forever.