Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[XYZpdq Jr.]

david prowse did nothing wrong

the trimmed-down version of this in the final cut makes the infodumps a lot less overtly exposition

 

[Quarterback Rex Grossman]

Their stance was to have Abrams direct the movie, not write it. The comparison was made to the Star Trek reboot, a movie he only directed. This idea that the sequel trilogy had movies Abrams wrote were bad, which means an argument RLM never actually made invalidates their criticism of the prequel trilogy, making those movies misunderstood at worst, is retardation.

Star Trek 09 has some of the worst shot action scenes in a Hollywood production. There is absolutely no reason why anyone should watch that garbage and think JJ is the right guy to make a new Star Wars movie.

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I mean seriously ChatGPT could have wrote a better follow-up to Return of the Jedi

But The Force Awakes HAD to be a ripoff of A New Hope or the fans would have revolted! But now now that it's done they're free to go anywhere with the next movies!

 

[McMitch]

Star Trek 09 has some of the worst shot action scenes in a Hollywood production. There is absolutely no reason why anyone should watch that garbage and think JJ is the right guy to make a new Star Wars movie.

This still doesn’t mean that RLM influencing Disney’s decision on directors is anything but lunacy. And it certainly does not mean the ST retroactively makes the PT any better than unwatchable bad. The only time this happened was when Phantom Menace made Return of the Jedi half a bad movie from a totally bad movie.

 

[Screamer_2]

I enjoy those three Star Trek films. They're their own Star Trek inspired thing to me. It gets a bunch of Trek stuff wrong. Doing Khan was a bad choice but because it is its own thing. I just take them as what they are. Fun action/adventure sci-fi films. I have never found them triggering to my Trek fandom, even though I can criticise them. They're still entertaining films with cool visuals, action and a great cast.

Star Wars sequels were not meant to be their own thing. They're meant to follow up, build and expand upon what came before. They failed on all levels. You can't even take them in isolation.

The original trilogy stands on it's own. So does the prequels. The sequels don't stand up at all in any context.

 

[Mystery Spy]

This still doesn’t mean that RLM influencing Disney’s decision on directors is anything but lunacy.

You are moving the goal post.

All that was said was that RLM opinion on blaming Lucas and thinking Abrams would've save the franchise was stupid and wrong. Which it is. Whether they influenced it or not doesn't matter, they still got everything they wanted. Abrams directed two Star Wars movies exactly as they wanted and he failed miserably.

And nobody was holding Abrams at gunpoint to write them. He made shitty movies because he wanted and was arrogant enough to think he could do better than Lucas (He didn't) . All JJ did was introduce the cancer that is Mystery boxes, and MCU quips. His best movie is plagiarised from Lucas's A new Hope, and he did the worst movie in the franchise. Kinda hypocritical to use the copout that "Abrams could've just directed", but Lucas doesn't get the same benefit of the doubt that he could've used help. The objetive fact is that everyone, Filoni, Abrams, Disney has piggybacked from his ideas.

And it certainly does not mean the ST retroactively makes the PT any better than unwatchable bad

I mean, you do you with your questionable taste (calling Return of the Jedi a "totally bad movie"? Seriously? It wasn't The Empire Strikes Back, but it was a good movie, and way better than anything Disney's put out, period.). But the fact of the matter is, the prequels have carried hard with their ideas. Filoni's entire career has been built on piggybacking on the prequels and making fanfics of the Clone Wars. While everything Disney's done is terrible, they had to milk the goodwill the prequels generated to get any interest once the OT well ran dry. For example, Hayden Christensen's return made everyone go nuts, even if the shows he cameoed in were garbage.

Even the absolute garbage that was The Acolyte was piggybacking on prequel Jedi canon/cameos, and Darth Plagueis, a character Lucas introduced in the prequels. Ewan McGregor's Obi-Wan is nearly universally praised. I could go on.

As much as RLM hates it, and even with all their flaws, and God knows they do have flaws, the prequels do hold emotional weight and have influenced a lot of things people love about Star Wars.

Edit: And it will never stop being funnyto me how JJ Abrams had Palpatine literally quote the Prequels, word for word, to try to save his movie.

 

[McMitch]

You are moving the goal post.

Moving goal posts nothing, I'm conceding to your opinion on JJAbrams Star Trek. But the opinion, generally, is that the Plinkett Reviews are somehow responsible for Abrams getting picked.

All that was said was that RLM opinion on blaming Lucas and thinking Abrams would've save the franchise was stupid and wrong.

Their opinion was never for him to save the franchise. The franchise didn't even need saving, even with the PT dragging it down. Their entire point was that Star Trek had a coherent story that kept moving forward where the audience could tell what was happening on screen, something the PT movies all failed at.

All JJ did was introduce the cancer that is Mystery boxes, and MCU quips.

Remember, when RLM pointed out Abrams we hadn't gone through a decade of Marvel movies making infinity money off Joss Whedon's writing. And their referencing Abrams in the first place was in response to Lucas' uninvolved directorial style in the PT, which led to boring movies with nonsense plots and characters no one cares about.

Calling Return of the Jedi a "totally bad movie"? Seriously? It wasn't The Empire Strikes Back, but it was a good movie, and way better than anything Disney's put out, period.

The zeitgeist until '99 was that Jedi was "the bad Star Wars" until Phantom Menace made people reevaluate it; concluding that the parts where Luke confronts the Emperor begrudgingly make up for the parts with the teddy bears. Yes, it is better than the Disney movies but it took actually bad movies in comparison for it to have the praise it receives today.

the prequels do hold emotional weight and have influenced a lot of things people love about Star Wars.

The Prequels have zero emotional weight. That's the biggest criticism of them. The only reason Disney properties even reference them is because the Disney canon is so creatively bankrupt and so thoroughly misunderstood what made Star Wars the hit it was almost a half-century ago that they're pulling whatever they can to try and convince someone their output is worth paying for. Anything good from the Prequels came from tie-in video games and maybe EU (and that's a huge maybe, since the EU exemplified a lot of the issues the PT had before the Prequels were even made).

But, going back to the original point that started this argument: the idea that the Prequels are misunderstood gems is laughable. The idea that Lucas is a misunderstood visionary by the time the nineties rolled around, rather than a jaded washout surrounded by yes-men, is also laughable. They are bad movies; they have always been bad movies, and no RLM review ever magically turned peoples' opinions against them. There's no movie bad enough to redeem the Prequels, and doing so only serves to continue the ever-spiraling failure of modern day media.

 

[Peru oso donas]

Apologies in advance for barging into the thread apropos of nothing, but I randomly just remembered Leia walking past Chewie to hug Ray StarWars and I need to share with literally anybody how angry the memory made me. Fuck Abrams, fuck Kennedy, fuck Johnson, fuck Disney.

That was so stupid even one of the lego games poked fun at it

 

[Space Police]

But the fact of the matter is, the prequels have carried hard with their ideas.

That's why they make for way better movies than anything else. All the battle droids, colourful spaceships, and force stuff are the most intriguing concepts until you get to the novels and comics. People don't like the prequels because they're more about the setting than the characters.

concluding that the parts where Luke confronts the Emperor begrudgingly make up for the parts with the teddy bears.

Heaven forbid there be some cute toys for the kids.

The Prequels have zero emotional weight.

What?

But, going back to the original point that started this argument: the idea that the Prequels are misunderstood gems is laughable.

They literally are; most of the criticism for the prequels is muh acting and muh sand and muh Jar Jar and muh podracing and muh 5 minutes of chamber scenes. It's never critiquing the ideas, just the execution and the difference from your headcanon.

 

[Ghostse]

The zeitgeist until '99 was that Jedi was "the bad Star Wars" until Phantom Menace made people reevaluate it

The Ewoks were bad, the rest of the movie was fine.

 

[McMitch]

People don't like the prequels because they're more about the setting than the characters.

If your piece of media is carried entirely by world building (which the PT are not), then it’s bad and won’t hold any audience. You need characters or at the very least a plot for people to care about.

The core ideas were bad. The foundation of the PT, showing the downfall of Vader, was a bad idea, endemic of the overly granular details Star Wars had been plagued with to the detriment of its own storytelling. You try and say that these ideas carry the films, but both concede the criticism towards its characters and dialogue (which make for a bad movie if they are bad) but also bring up Podracing and Jar Jar and to add midoclorians which are all ideas (and really the only ideas the films). Everything these films are based on come from one-off lines from the OT that had served their purpose when they were one-off lines.

I don’t know where you guys pulled “headcanon” out of your collective ass, but that wasn’t even a discrete concept then. People weren’t mad that Vader’s downfall wasn’t how they imagined, they were mad that it was done in a ham-fisted way.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

The Prequels were OK films. Not masterpieces, at least the first two. But they are nowhere near bad.

The first film, the Phantom Menace, is basically what happens when you combine an episode of TNG with Captain Planet, and you set it in the Star Wars universe and make it for kids. The Senate talk is for the adults in the room, but everything else, from the kid winning the podrace, to the kid blowing up the big enemy mothership, to the safe-for-kids violence of Jedi cutting down droids, and the Gungans somehow surviving their defeat at the hands of the Droid Army, all of it is something made for kids to consume safely and enjoy, but adults could enjoy them too. I sure know more than a few adults who did.

The second film, Attack of the Clones, is closer to the Star Wars DNA, as this is where the big war starts, and the Clone Troopers and Jedi armies become more aesthetically Star Wars. Yes, there's Anakin's obvious downfall being foreshadowed, and Lucas' way of preaching morals is about as subtle as hitting someone on the head with a mallet, not to mention the corny romance dialogue, but those are bug bites when compared to the aesthetics, the feel, and the awesome battles set in the films, which is what people tuned in for.

Kenobi and Dooku's interaction before the battle starts are some of the more nuanced and intelligent interactions I've seen, where it's obvious that Dooku just tried to recruit Kenobi to kill Sidious and claim the throne of Dark Lord for himself, but the average goober who doesn't pay attention just sees a hero telling a bad guy to stuff it. The Jedi battles and the massive Geonosis battle more than made up for the shit that didn't land, and again, when I saw it, I saw most of the moviegoers leaving satisfied, as if they just enjoyed a visual feast. And for every dipshit whining about how bad it was that Yoda fought, there are ten more audience members who loved that shit, and the lore nuts didn't really object to it. So if you got both the autistic lore nuts and the casuals agreeing on something, then it's obviously good.

Revenge of the Sith was when the PT surpassed the Originals. In fact, from my POV, Revenge of the Sith is as good as Empire Strikes Back, which is the best of the Original Trilogy. The drama, the battles, the hammy acting, it's all here. Aside from a few corny romance lines, everything went fine. Anakin's fall to the Dark Side was again, something so obvious Lucas was beating you in the face with it, but Order 66 and the final battles, as well as the opening battles with the Separatists, were handled with grace and care. It's practically the best of the films in terms of vision, visuals, themes, and battles.

Not to mention that this is the one film that REALLY showed what happens when the good guys drop the ball. The most Luke lost in ESB was some grunts and a hand; it didn't really feel like the consequences were there, when all the Rebels lose are some fucking redshirts, even when they're up against elite shock-troopers, Sith Lords, and planet-destroying space lasers. But in ROTS, they really showed that the galaxy can fall to evil if the good guys are asleep in the wheel; everything that leads to the Jedi Order's fall is practically their fault. They're the ones who pushed Anakin away, then tried to get him to commit an act of treason, against his best friend. They're the ones who stood aside and didn't do much when the Senate gave the Chancellor more power, and now the birds have come home to roost, and they've got hell to pay. The Jedi only acted when it was too late, and by then, even if they did kill the Chancellor, the galaxy would've still turned on them because of how popular he became. It really goes to show the consequences of not thinking through your actions. Vader suffered those consequences, as did the Jedi. All of which showed that this was a serious universe, one where stupidity is answered for with pain and loss.

Sidious emerges victorious, but not unscarred, and his hammy acting fitted the proper sendoff to a villain; he was everything a good villain should be. Conniving and scheming, loud and roaring, he fulfilled both roles. I think that even if you cut away half of Sidious' character, if you separate the power-mad Sith Lord and the conniving politician, both could be a legitimate threat on their own terms, to the point where they could be the focal point of a story, but having a villain be genuinely conniving while at the same time, possessing insane amounts of power and knowledge, is quite rare in fiction, and it's pulled off wonderfully here. Usually, you either have a dark lord who's OP and everyone hates his guts, or you have a conniving politician who has everyone on his side, and he relies on his silver tongue instead of raw power. Sidious has both. He can play the Littlefinger game if he has to, and he plays it well, but when he's backed into a corner, he can remove that mask and go full Sauron on his opponents, dispatching all but the strongest Jedi and giving Yoda the fight of his life.

This is the kind of ambition that was sorely lacking in later SW series such as the Sequel Trilogy and the Filoniverse. They're not willing to put in the kind of thought to create something like the PT because all they want is to tread water and keep the fans from going mad. Unlike Lucas, who had a vision and a story to tell, they just have a story to pad out to please the fans and the shareholders, and that's why Star Wars is in such a slump nowadays. No ambition, just padding and tributes to past glories. To the point where it's getting stale. It's gotten so bad that Andor Season 2 is the franchise's last hope in the public eye. Just more Antifa in Space, 2.0. With more riots and explosions.

So yes, this is why the PT is not bad, in my estimate. The first two movies are decent; they've got some things that hold them back, but other things that are excellent, and I like that. But the last one gets to the point where it surpasses the OT in several areas, and it really shows the kind of ambition and vision Lucas had for Star Wars that made it unique.

 

[draggs]

The Phantom Menace is far better than Attack of the Clones. Attack of the Clones is dogshit. Too disjointed, too many different planets and things habbening for the audience to easily keep track of, pacing problems, sequencing and transition problems, obviously the romance subplot was fucking terribly written and acted (though that is not really Hayden's and Natalie's fault). The action itself in Clones leaves no lasting impression until maybe the climactic lightsaber battle at the end. There is no action with anywhere near the punch of Luke going down the trench, Vader breathing down his neck, then Han comes RKO outta nowhere now blow this thing kid and let's go home. Biggs getting killed in the trench. Nothing with anywhere near the punch of snowspeeders vs AT-ATs, Dack gets killed two feet away from Luke. Nothing near the punch of Wedge and Lando and the Rebel Fleet fighting tooth and nail above Endor against overwhelming odds. There's a lack of focus, a lack of emotional investment, in the action in Clones. The action just "looks cool" (except when it doesn't, like whatever the fuck the sequence in the droid factory is. What the fuck was that? Or Jango Fett's unceremonious death. Boba Fett was unceremoniously killed in RotJ, but he also hadn't had the screen time and focus in ESB and RotJ that Jango did in clones)

Name me one truly memorable scene of any kind from Clones. Any kind of scene. That sticks in your mind 20 years later. Skydiving through Coruscant chasing Padme's attempted assassin? The oceans of Kamino? The droid factory? The abortion of a love story on Naboo? The coliseum fight, either the part when it's Anakin and Padme trying to stay alive, or the part when the clones and Jedi show up and roflstomp all opposition and it's so anticlimactic? Obi-wan and Anakin vs Dooku then Yoda vs Dooku? The last bit comes the closest, but in reality there aren't any truly memorable scenes in the entire movie

Revenge of the Sith was when the PT surpassed the Originals. In fact, from my POV, Revenge of the Sith is as good as Empire Strikes Back, which is the best of the Original Trilogy.

This is some rancid b8 m8

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Name me one truly memorable scene of any kind from Clones. Any kind of scene. That sticks in your mind 20 years later. Skydiving through Coruscant chasing Padme's attempted assassin? The oceans of Kamino? The droid factory? The abortion of a love story on Naboo? The coliseum fight, either the part when it's Anakin and Padme trying to stay alive, or the part when the clones and Jedi show up and roflstomp all opposition and it's so anticlimactic? Obi-wan and Anakin vs Dooku then Yoda vs Dooku? The last bit comes the closest, but in reality there aren't any truly memorable scenes in the entire movie

Kenobi and Dooku having that "talk" while Kenobi was strung up on the electric prison. Dooku bears out his soul to Kenobi, talks about how he misses Qui-Gon, tells Kenobi EVERYTHING he needs to hear in order to save the galaxy (or everything he needs so that he can help Dooku take it over). And Kenobi tells him to get fucked. It shows the arrogance and naivety of the Jedi, it shows a side of Dooku's personality that I'd like to be explored more, and it's a perfect mirror to Vader asking for Luke's help to overthrow Sidious in EPV.

Also, the giant battle and Yoda jumping all over was very memorable. Quite frankly, the best reason for buying the movie ticket back in 2002. That's the shit people came to see; they were greatly pleased with the film after seeing that. And so was I.

The Phantom Menace is far better than Attack of the Clones. Attack of the Clones is dogshit. Too disjointed, too many different planets and things habbening for the audience to easily keep track of, pacing problems, sequencing and transition problems, obviously the romance subplot was fucking terribly written and acted (though that is not really Hayden's and Natalie's fault). The action itself in Clones leaves no lasting impression until maybe the climactic lightsaber battle at the end. There is no action with anywhere near the punch of Luke going down the trench, Vader breathing down his neck, then Han comes RKO outta nowhere now blow this thing kid and let's go home. Biggs getting killed in the trench. Nothing with anywhere near the punch of snowspeeders vs AT-ATs, Dack gets killed two feet away from Luke. Nothing near the punch of Wedge and Lando and the Rebel Fleet fighting tooth and nail above Endor against overwhelming odds. There's a lack of focus, a lack of emotional investment, in the action in Clones. The action just "looks cool" (except when it doesn't, like whatever the fuck the sequence in the droid factory is. What the fuck was that? Or Jango Fett's unceremonious death. Boba Fett was unceremoniously killed in RotJ, but he also hadn't had the screen time and focus in ESB and RotJ that Jango did in clones)

To be fair, that's your personal opinion. Lando and Wedge were practically sidequest characters since blowing up the Death Star 2.0 wasn't nearly as important as Luke defeating Vader or Vader killing the Emperor in ROTJ. It's practically an afterthought; there was little struggle in blowing up the DS2 once the shield went down. Shit, blowing up Vader's personal SSD was also rather quick, since all it took was focus fire from the fleet and an unlucky rebel pilot going full "Allah Akbar" on the bridge. At least the battle with the Droid Control Ship on Naboo was somewhat difficult. The operation to blow up the DS2 was harder in the Rogue Squadron 2 game than it was in the film, where in the latter, it was basically just the good guys coasting through and firing some torpedoes. (Whereas in RS2, it's the level that'll have you quaking in your boots the most.)

Biggs and Dack getting killed are just more redshirts getting killed; it elicits the same emotion as some no-name Jedi getting lynched by the clones during Order 66. Maybe if they added in the scenes with Luke and Biggs on Tatooine, it would've struck harder, but Biggs in the original cut is literally some nobody who goes "hey Luke!" in the third act then gets vaporized for his trouble.

 

[Ghostse]

The Phantom Menace is far better than Attack of the Clones. Attack of the Clones is dogshit. Too disjointed, too many different planets and things habbening for the audience to easily keep track of, pacing problems, sequencing and transition problems, obviously the romance subplot was fucking terribly written and acted (though that is not really Hayden's and Natalie's fault). The action itself in Clones leaves no lasting impression until maybe the climactic lightsaber battle at the end. There is no action with anywhere near the punch of Luke going down the trench, Vader breathing down his neck, then Han comes RKO outta nowhere now blow this thing kid and let's go home. Biggs getting killed in the trench. Nothing with anywhere near the punch of snowspeeders vs AT-ATs, Dack gets killed two feet away from Luke. Nothing near the punch of Wedge and Lando and the Rebel Fleet fighting tooth and nail above Endor against overwhelming odds. There's a lack of focus, a lack of emotional investment, in the action in Clones. The action just "looks cool" (except when it doesn't, like whatever the fuck the sequence in the droid factory is. What the fuck was that? Or Jango Fett's unceremonious death. Boba Fett was unceremoniously killed in RotJ, but he also hadn't had the screen time and focus in ESB and RotJ that Jango did in clones)

Name me one truly memorable scene of any kind from Clones. Any kind of scene. That sticks in your mind 20 years later. Skydiving through Coruscant chasing Padme's attempted assassin? The oceans of Kamino? The droid factory? The abortion of a love story on Naboo? The coliseum fight, either the part when it's Anakin and Padme trying to stay alive, or the part when the clones and Jedi show up and roflstomp all opposition and it's so anticlimactic? Obi-wan and Anakin vs Dooku then Yoda vs Dooku? The last bit comes the closest, but in reality there aren't any truly memorable scenes in the entire movie

AotC has some really good scenes/sequences but as a movie it is a complete mess.
Kamino was super dope, the Diner (though maybe for the wrong reasons), our first real look at the Jedi Temple, the coliseum.

Speaking of AotC, Here is a funny story that hightlights Lucas' difficulty with directing actors.

 

[draggs]

Kenobi and Dooku having that "talk" while Kenobi was strung up on the electric prison. Dooku bears out his soul to Kenobi, talks about how he misses Qui-Gon, tells Kenobi EVERYTHING he needs to hear in order to save the galaxy (or everything he needs so that he can help Dooku take it over). And Kenobi tells him to get fucked. It shows the arrogance and naivety of the Jedi, it shows a side of Dooku's personality that I'd like to be explored more, and it's a perfect mirror to Vader asking for Luke's help to overthrow Sidious in EPV.

Give a line from it that you didn't have to look up first. I'll trust you. Compare to Revenge of the Sith, which has at least a half dozen such lines. Compare to any of the OT movies, each of which has at least a dozen such lines

Also, the giant battle and Yoda jumping all over was very memorable. Quite frankly, the best reason for buying the movie ticket back in 2002. That's the shit people came to see; they were greatly pleased with the film after seeing that. And so was I.

So a tensionless CGI spectacle and Yoda doing flips is memorable to you. Not surprising

To be fair, that's your personal opinion.

Lando and Wedge were practically sidequest characters since blowing up the Death Star 2.0 wasn't nearly as important as Luke defeating Vader or Vader killing the Emperor in ROTJ. It's practically an afterthought; there was little struggle in blowing up the DS2 once the shield went down. Shit, blowing up Vader's personal SSD was also rather quick, since all it took was focus fire from the fleet and an unlucky rebel pilot going full "Allah Akbar" on the bridge. At least the battle with the Droid Control Ship on Naboo was somewhat difficult. The operation to blow up the DS2 was harder in the Rogue Squadron 2 game than it was in the film, where in the latter, it was basically just the good guys coasting through and firing some torpedoes. (Whereas in RS2, it's the level that'll have you quaking in your boots the most.)

Yes, he really wrote all this and hit the Post button. We've reached the point where the space Battle of Naboo is superior to the space battle of Endor because... well it's right there read it yourself. Also a vidya game was better. "Spinning, that's a good trick!" is better than "We'll last longer than we will against that Death Star. And we might just take a few of em with us!" and precision flying at top speed through the interior structure of the Death Star. It all doesn't matter because Luke turned Vader and Vader killed the Emperor. So what would have happened if an Imperial officer was still in command of the functional Death Star picking off Rebel capital ships at will, since Lando and Wedge didn't matter? Jesus H. Christ

Biggs and Dack getting killed are just more redshirts getting killed; it elicits the same emotion as some no-name Jedi getting lynched by the clones during Order 66. Maybe if they added in the scenes with Luke and Biggs on Tatooine, it would've struck harder, but Biggs in the original cut is literally some nobody who goes "hey Luke!" in the third act then gets vaporized for his trouble.

Yes, he really wrote all this and hit the Post button. Maybe the problem is you are incapable of being affected by the performance of acting because flashing lights are all you can handle. Luke's reaction to Biggs and Dack dying is what makes them important; the shot that killed Dack could easily have killed Luke, Luke almost dies the same way Biggs did a few minutes earlier, these are the little touches that add weight to a character's death, but 6 year olds learning spinning is a good trick, that's the real shit

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Yes, he really wrote all this and hit the Post button. Maybe the problem is you are incapable of being affected by the performance of acting because flashing lights are all you can handle. Luke's reaction to Biggs and Dack dying is what makes them important; the shot that killed Dack could easily have killed Luke, Luke almost dies the same way Biggs did a few minutes earlier, these are the little touches that add weight to a character's death, but 6 year olds learning spinning is a good trick, that's the real shit

Oh please. As if Luke would die to something like that. You might as well say Anakin could've died when he jumped down from that speeder, or when he was racing in Tatooine.

You really are that blind to tropes and genres, aren't you? This isn't Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam where main characters can get killed in a firefight. This isn't Game of Thrones where one mistake ends with your head on a pike. The most you got was Kenobi, and he allowed himself to get killed. Dack and Biggs were what you'd call "mauve-shirts", and Filoni copied the same shit for TCW. Make a side character somewhat likeable, then kill him to add tension. If their deaths really affected you that much, you weren't paying attention.

Give a line from it that you didn't have to look up first. I'll trust you. Compare to Revenge of the Sith, which has at least a half dozen such lines. Compare to any of the OT movies, each of which has at least a dozen such lines

I didn't have to look it up.

-"Hundreds of senators are now under the influence of a Sith Lord called Darth Sidious."

-"They were like animals, so I SLAUGHTERED THEM LIKE ANIMALS!"

-"The Force is with us, Master Sidious. I have good news, my lord. The war has begun."

-"I'm just a simple man, trying to make my way in the universe."

-"I love democracy. I love the Republic. The power you give me, I will lay down, once this crisis has abated!"

-"Magnificent, aren't they?"

-"His abilities have made him.....well.....arrogant."

 

[draggs]

I didn't have to look it up.

I meant Dooku's amazing tete a tete with Obi-wan, you give me garbage and two good lines. Most from other scenes. The first is not a memorable line. The second is. The third is not. The fourth is a cliche that leaves no impression. The fifth is bad dialogue but Ian delivered excellently. The sixth is a quip that again Ian delivers excellently. The seventh is not memorable. This is the incredible quality of Clones that you give us

Oh please. As if Luke would die to something like that. You might as well say Anakin could've died when he jumped down from that speeder, or when he was racing in Tatooine.

Oh so all that shit in the prequels is awkshoolly not good too because you can't suspend your disbelief re: the heroes ever being in real danger

You really are that blind to tropes and genres, aren't you? This isn't Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam where main characters can get killed in a firefight. This isn't Game of Thrones where one mistake ends with your head on a pike. The most you got was Kenobi, and he allowed himself to get killed. Dack and Biggs were what you'd call "mauve-shirts", and Filoni copied the same shit for TCW. Make a side character somewhat likeable, then kill him to add tension. If their deaths really affected you that much, you weren't paying attention.

This is one of the most retarded things you have ever said, which is remarkable. Good to see you shitting on George so much for, in your opinion, failing to create any tension via a real threat to the heroes. Biggs' and Dack's deaths meant something to Luke, and conveyed Luke was in real danger, which is what George wanted to convey to the audience. But nah that was a worthless endeavor. I thought you liked George?

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I meant Dooku's amazing tete a tete with Obi-wan, you give me garbage and two good lines. The first is not a memorable line. The second is. The third is not. The fourth is a cliche that leaves no impression. The fifth is bad dialogue but Ian delivered excellently. The sixth is a quip that again Ian delivers excellently. The seventh is not memorable. This is the incredible quality of Clones that you give us

Oh so all that shit in the prequels is awkshoolly not good too because you can't suspend your disbelief re: the heroes ever being in real danger

This is one of the most retarded things you have ever said, which is remarkable. Good to see you shitting on George so much for, in your opinion, failing to create any tension via a real threat to the heroes. Biggs' and Dack's deaths meant something to Luke, and conveyed Luke was in real danger, which is what George wanted to convey to the audience. But nah that was a worthless endeavor. I thought you liked George?

Luke was in as much danger as Anakin was when he was podracing. To them, it was life or death, but to us, we'd know he'd make it. So no, Luke was in as much danger as any character in the PT. For all you know, Kenobi and his pet lizard could've landed on some jagged rocks after Cody took a hotshot at him during Order 66, and that would've been his end.

Lucas did the same thing for both the OT and PT. Put the main heroes in trying situations, but always have them come out on top.

 

[Midwit]

Give a line from it that you didn't have to look up first

Well, whaddya know?

 

[Adamska]

I'm just hopping in to ask what you guys thought of the Radio Drama adaptation for the OT? I binged them back to back recently and I actually think I like it more than the movies due to some nice added moments. I also think I prefer Perry King over Harrison as Han. The Bahstahn accent I think nails the character more, and there's more energy and life in the take.

Also Brock Peters is fun as Vader. He's probably a bit too hammy at times but honestly his take ironically makes him feel more like PT Anakin.