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Should be a wild four years.

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I like HHH and would happily take his boomer liberal posts in exchange all of the sleeper doomer accounts any day of the week. He is a mainstay of the thread and should be given the respect he deserves to boomerpost in peace. Please all sleeper agents to the woodchipper.

He chose to leave. He chooses to come here and sperg out every now and then.
No matter how comprehensible his retarded sperging is compared to the usually cia assets, his posts are still retarded sperging. If he says we should all get the jab, people are going to rightfully call him retarded. If he keeps calling orangeman a fat conman, we're going to call him out on it. At the end of the day, he's not going to stop having bad takes and we not going to leave him alone when he types. It's not a good deal for him when he's not getting paid for it. It's best for everyone if he committed to his promise and leaves us alone.
 
That's where you aren't understanding me: I'm not proposing that the Republicans do anything illegal. I'm proposing that the Republicans do the same shit that the Democrats have done since 2008 and enshrined into law.

Furthermore: the longer the Democrats do this sore loser caterwaul routine where they lash out at everyone with accusations of bigotry, the more they will bleed voters. Sure, there are self-hating pajama boys who will vote for Democrats even when their platform is to openly rape children and murder all whites. However, that is not the majority of people, and the Democrats seem intent on circling the drain with their psychotic behaviour.
OH OH OH, David Hines has a great quote about this in his great Days of Rage book club entry. (A)

So Lefties will target more people on top and on bottom, status-wise. Righties will target more in the middle, go for the Lefty NCO corps. That’s because the biggest impact the Right can make at this stage of conflict is to destroy, damage, or neutralize Lefty Institutions. But Lefty Institutions are massive cultural power centers. Universities, Media, Bureaucracies, Organizations/Foundations, Cities.

The Right is not big enough or organized enough to really destroy Lefty Institutions. Like the Left, they’ll be looking to intimidate people out of the game and take away enemy tools. Example: Institutional and media bias means radical Leftist tactics are accepted, which means radical Leftist tactics become normalized. Ergo, the only way the Right can delegitimize Lefty tactics is to use them, at which point they’ll become The Worst Things Ever Done By Man. My guess is the Right will start using Leftist tactics against members of Leftist Institutions: “This is what you ordered. Eat it.”
(Highlighting mine)

All right, I’ve yammered more than that game theory guy. Let’s recap and wind up:

The Left wants to disrupt the Right’s power, organizations, celebrations.

The Right is sick of Leftist disruption and wants to punish it with force.

The hard Left has an effective infrastructure. The hard Right is looking to build one.

The hard Left will use the tactics it’s already using.

The hard Right will use Leftist tactics, at which point the Press will become very interested in denormalizing those tactics.

I’m guessing the Trump administration will try to eviscerate Lefty Institutions with budget cuts and the hard Left infrastructure with RICO.


Look for lots of property destruction, by everyone. I would not be surprised to see innovative tactics used to destroy property.

The press is a Lefty weapon and a Righty target.

Everyone will have enemies’ lists. All of us are already on somebody’s.

Effective Righty violence will be, by necessity, by loners or by really close conspiracies (think family members).

Effective Lefty violence will be by capable, fully operating cells.

If we get political violence between civilians, it’s mostly going to be low-level until it abruptly isn’t.

Some suicidal mass murder types may copycat political violence and choose political targets.

You do not want white people to riot. You Do Not. Want. White People. To Riot.

For the record, Trump is literally doing the above. He's targeting Lefty institutions by defunding USAID and using DOGE. It's an escalation of the cold civil war that Hines predicted back in 2017 when this column was written. I wonder if Trump will target Antifa, BLM, BAMN, and say, the Anti-Tesla Terrorists or Redditors with RICO. (It's never RICO. But we're existing cloud world, hopefully at escape velocity.)
 
Read current article, in trying to save the system the judges are destroying it.
Of course, their idea of "saving" the system is really to protect the cancerous corruption of the system and blocking the restoration of that system to something closer to what its creators intended.
 
OH OH OH, David Hines has a great quote about this in his great Days of Rage book club entry. (A)
The problem is this is a game of politics right now, not revolution. The left can't do anything if they don't get elected, which is the likely outcome if the country views them as a bunch of feckless whiners.
 
Of course, their idea of "saving" the system is really to protect the cancerous corruption of the system and blocking the restoration of that system to something closer to what its creators intended.
One of those systems gives them a cushy job and a paycheck. The other is unknown. Of course they don't want to lose their power in the existing structure.

Lamp posts have existed since antiquity.
 
One of those systems gives them a cushy job and a paycheck. The other is unknown. Of course they don't want to lose their power in the existing structure.

Lamp posts have existed since antiquity.
Absolutely.

Too many people forget that judges almost always started out as lawyers, and we all know lawyers are almost exclusively reprehensible people. If ending corruption and the perversion of their station means they personally lose power, they will oppose it to the death.
 
A small question: ¿Has ever a president overruled a presidential pardon? they could've done that for Nixon if the answer is yes.
Ha ha ha, great question, reddit.

Hey better, actually relevant question: Has a president's staff ever forged his signature without him knowing, and if so, is the document that wasn't actually signed by the president valid?

Is trump complying with these gay orders or is it on appeal
Most them are in limbo on appeal IIRC, but he did basically defy the one that very clearly says judges have no right to do what they tried. Said just said that she had equal power to the president or somesuch bullshit and is currently sneeding demanding he stop ignoring her and break national security rules to let her (and her lefty buddies) know just how to sue him further, so... We're just waiting for a nice warm day to cross waters of the Rubicon at this point.

Read current article, in trying to save the system the judges are destroying it.
Am I having early onset boomerism or is that a really, really shitty font?
 
Read current article, in trying to save the system the judges are destroying it.
This one? https://archive.vn/XecTL

One way to look at the last ten years is as the struggle of the United States to finally close the books on the Cold War and the 20th century. The reason Trump exists, and the managerial system has reacted in such a violent way toward him, is that he represents the end of the conditions that made it all possible. The return of a strong executive and the normal functioning of government is the end of the managerial system and everything around it.

The comparisons to the late Soviet times are compelling because the Russians went through a similarly violent process to escape their own managerial system and the ideology that controlled it. Like the Soviets, America is now run by old people trapped in the past, lacking the talent to adjust to new realities. Like the Soviet system, the American system barely performs basic functions. Like the Soviets, American political actors can only break things.

That last part is important. Reform by its very nature calls into question the legitimacy of current processes. The reason for reform is that the system is not working to the satisfaction of the users, so it must be changed. Good reformers, however, do not attack the core logic of the system, but focus instead on the parts of it that implement that core logic to maintain the legitimacy of the whole. Maybe it means new people or possibly changes to parts of the system.

Reforms in the late Soviet period undermined the core logic of the Soviet system, resulting in poorer outcomes. We see the same thing in America. The response to Trump in 2016 by conservatives and their party only served to sap the legitimacy of the conservative movement and the Republican Party. Trump started as a vanity candidate, but by January of 2016 he had become the champion of the party voters against the ossified party leadership.

Similarly, the behavior of the media cratered trust in the media. Their efforts to cajole, convince and intimidate people into going along with the managerial class eroded all trust in the media. By the end of Trump’s first term, trust in the media had collapsed to the point where only regime toadies trusted it. The same could be said for the people it was defending. Trump won in 2024 because the main tools of his enemies had been delegitimatized by his enemies.

We are now seeing another phase of this as district judges claim authority over vast parts of the executive branch. The last month has seen these inferior court judges claim to have power over the hiring and firing of personnel, the budgets of executive agencies and the conduct of foreign policy. A judge just ordered the military to enlist mentally unstable people. To stop the future, the managerial class is now destroying the credibility of the courts.

Public trust in the courts was already at a nadir because of the abuses we saw in the Obama years and then the Biden years. When the court ruled that mandating medical insurance was right there in the constitution, the rule of law took a sharp turn into absurdity, but when the Supreme Court ruled that two men sharing rent and bed is the same as your parents, then trust in the law was in free fall. It only got worse in the Biden years with the lawfare against Trump supporters.

What we are seeing from the courts now is the breaking point. No one would dare poll on it, because they fear the result, but there is certainly a majority in favor of the Trump administration telling the courts to pound sand. The whiffs of Sulphur the usual suspects are always sure they detect are not real, but rather they are the floral aroma of Caesarism in response to the reckless behavior of the courts. When the rule of law fails, the people always choose the rule of men.

While this may feel like a positive omen, there is another lesson from the end of Soviet Russia to keep in mind. Russia at the end of communism was a poor country, but a lawful country. It had rules that the people tried to respect. It then entered a period where it was a poorer country and a lawless one. When trust in the system collapsed, trust in the rules collapsed with it. It was only when a new elite emerged to impose a new system and new rules that lawfulness returned.

In other words, this dip into lawlessness we are seeing could very well portend a general descent into lawlessness. Like post-Soviet Russia, we could very well be entering a period where we get poorer as the rule of law collapses. Unlike Russia, America is not a homogenous society with a thousand years of history. America is a diverse country which is a polite way of saying it is a collection of people who would just as soon not share a country with one another.

If the elites backing Trump’s reforms wish to avoid a terrible end to their reform effort, they are going to need to deal with these hothouse radicals on the bench who cannot grasp the danger of their actions. The challenge, as with all reforms, is in dealing with the problem while not undermining the legitimacy of the system. These judges think they are heroes defending the system against the monster, when in reality they are a cancer threatening the last functioning part of the system.

It is not an easy task, which is why most reform efforts fail. In the end, it turns out to be easier to scrap the old and replace it with something new, but the problem is no one can predict who will win and who will lose in that process. It is why the reform is always the safe choice, despite the dismal record. It promises predictable winners. If today’s reformers want to be winners, then these judges need to be made into losers, without making the rule of law a loser as well.
 
Pretty sure the “Trump is controlled opposition“ meme died right around the second time they tried to murder him.
“They” was a singular shooter. Unless you can dig up some evidence that Thomas Crook was part of a larger effort, then it’s stupid to assume and speculate.

But all the wage worker conservatives here seem to disagree with Trump being the establishment party.

So being backed by billionaires and having nearly unlimited CPAC money along with now controlling all branches of government is NOT establishment?

The denial here is pretty fucking cringe.
 
OH OH OH, David Hines has a great quote about this in his great Days of Rage book club entry. (A)
"Weatherman is facing a few problems at this point: 1) they’re on the run 2) flower children are now dominant in the movement, not hard left 3) people are less supportive of bombings after a postdoc was killed by a Wisconsin car bombing of a university math building that did army research"

It should be telling from this passage alone that if some of the most hardcore of hardcore far-left crazies back in the seventies were scared straight after accidentally bombing their own operation and seeing death up close, that today's day and age of ANTIFAG larpers who roll over and cry after hearing the slightest microaggression do not have the stomach for any of the faggoty revolutionary ideas bouncing around in their hollow skulls.
 
>nice calm intellectual discussion going on in USPG2
>a happening occurs
>janny decides to feature the thread
>retards from the rest of the site come in and shit up the thread with their braindead takes
>i Am BeGiNnInG tO uNdErStAnD wHy NuLl HaTeS tHiS bOaRd So MuCh


Can you people stop blaming A&N for your own stupidity?
I wonder if this is how the beauty parlor feels when Null brings up a random crazy bitch on MATI.
 
“They” was a singular shooter. Unless you can dig up some evidence that Thomas Crook was part of a larger effort, then it’s stupid to assume and speculate.

But all the wage worker conservatives here seem to disagree with Trump being the establishment party.

So being backed by billionaires and having nearly unlimited CPAC money along with now controlling all branches of government is NOT establishment?

The denial here is pretty fucking cringe.
Circumstantial evidence of a conspiracy to assassinate Donald Trump:
1. Butler rally was the first time in the campaign that CNN showed a Trump rally live.
2. Reports of witnesses seeing Crooks on the roof and SS not doing anything.
3. Failure of SS to secure the roof.
4. The second Trump shooter having knowledge that Trump was playing golf in Florida that day when nobody else knew about it.
 
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