Debate @COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST on the slippery slope of making loli porn illegal - At the user's own request.

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there's no could, you are.
People are reluctant to mention how varied anime styles can be. There are some characters who are technically underage, but in every conceivable way, aren't. I like saying "could be pedophiles" because when I say "are pedophiles" people online retort with "Oh, so I'm a pedophile if I think Jotaro Kujo is hot?" and Jotaro looks like a 30 year old man.

The people who say that shit jerk off to drawn toddlers, so I'm quick to say "No, you're a pedophile for jerking off to the shit you're into". However, I notice they try to muddy definitions and show characters like Jotaro as a way to derail or waste time. Its easier less annoying for me to just say "could" and then explain later.
 
People are reluctant to mention how varied anime styles can be. There are some characters who are technically underage, but in every conceivable way, aren't. I like saying "could be" because when I say "are" people online retort with "Oh, so I'm a pedophile if I think Jotaro Kujo is hot?" and Jotaro looks like a 30 year old man.
Then I would retort with "No, but you are a loser for watching anime".

Edit: After googling Jotaro, my actual answer would be if you are attracted to "Part 1" Jotaro because he's 17 but then again I probably wouldn't care enough to nitpick the differences and would probably just call you a faggot

The people who say that shit jerk off to drawn toddlers, so I'm quick to say "No, you're a pedophile for jerking off to the shit you're into". But its easier less annoying for me to just say "could" and then explain later.
I understand your point. I dunno, this website really soured any goodwill I have towards anime and the people who follow it. Is it difficult to not be attracted minors in cartoons?
 
"Oh, so I'm a pedophile if I think Jotaro Kujo is hot?"
As you point out, that's a massive red herring cope. The issue isn't that characters who look, walk, talk, and behave as an adult are "tEcHnIcAlLy" under the age of majority. The issue is that characters who look, walk, talk, and behave as children are the objects of their sexual desires. When Ethan Klein said an anime character who looks like an adult was attractive in their depiction, the only people who cared were lolicons who stubbornly tried to throw it in his face (and no one cared because it's a retarded argument). It's a logical non-starter.

Drawings are representations of archetypes and symbols onto which we project significance. Sourcing your sexual arousal from the archetypical representation of a child is pedophilia. The fact they need to raise points which are immaterial to this central issue reveals, to me at least, that they know this and they know they have no answer. They delude themselves to avoid the truth because being a lolicon who "doesn't identify as a pedophile" is the epitome of having their cake and eating it too in this context despite its untenability as a logical premise.

All that babbling aside, there's a very simple test anyone can employ to prove that these lolicons are pedophiles: If a man masturbates to a photograph of a woman, or separately, a drawing of a woman, then we can deduce that he derives sexual pleasure from women. He would be straight.

If a man masturbates to a photograph of a man, or separately, a drawing of a man, then we can deduce that he derives sexual pleasure from men. He would be gay.

If a man masturbates to both photographs of men and women, or separately, drawings of men and women, then we can deduce that he derives sexual pleasure from both men and women. He would be bisexual.

If a man masturbates to a photograph of a dog, or separately, a drawing of a dog, then we can deduce that he derives sexual pleasure from dogs. He would be a zoophile.

Lolicons will instantly agree with all of the above, but then will seethe at the following continuation of the logic: Therefore, if a man masturbates to a photograph of a child, or separately, a drawing of a child, then we can deduce that he derives sexual pleasure from children. He would be a pedophile. Case closed!

The entire question of the "lore" of the anime is wholly irrelevant because their sexual arousal comes from the immediately evident visual information present in their pornography of choice, that being lolicon, and not the character's tertiary personal details which are out of sight and out of mind.
 
You fags really can't go one day without defending drawings of children in sexual situations can you? I left the conversation thinking it was gonna be an inevitable >shadman derailment and then another retard comes up to say "But they're drawings so I can jerk off to them" so let me make the general consensus and WHOLE POINT very clear to you.

You wanna jerk off to Jotaro Kujo or a busty old looking Miku go ahead I'm not autistic enough like other niggers in this forum to tell you off. As we've all seen nobody in this retarded gossip forum is a saint given SO MANY gooner ERP DM chains from both moids and foids being unearthed.

HOWEVER. If you jerk off to a character like Kanna Kamui? I will look forward to the red strike-through on your name. Lord knows several pedophiles have been banned this year and if you jerk off to this you're no different.
 
All that babbling aside, there's a very simple test anyone can employ to prove that these lolicons are pedophiles: If a man masturbates to a photograph of a woman, or separately, a drawing of a woman, then we can deduce that he derives sexual pleasure from women. He would be straight.

If a man masturbates to a photograph of a man, or separately, a drawing of a man, then we can deduce that he derives sexual pleasure from men. He would be gay.

If a man masturbates to both photographs of men and women, or separately, drawings of men and women, then we can deduce that he derives sexual pleasure from both men and women. He would be bisexual.

If a man masturbates to a photograph of a dog, or separately, a drawing of a dog, then we can deduce that he derives sexual pleasure from dogs. He would be a zoophile.

Lolicons will instantly agree with all of the above, but then will seethe at the following continuation of the logic: Therefore, if a man masturbates to a photograph of a child, or separately, a drawing of a child, then we can deduce that he derives sexual pleasure from children. He would be a pedophile. Case closed!
That's all true, but remember my response was about short term internet arguments. You type all of this and faggots will just go "lol, didn't read!" as if suddenly this super serious conversation can be ended by fake trolling or whatever. Either that, or they start with the "Yeah, but this character clearly doesn't look like a child" and ignore the ones that does, yadda yadda, you know how those assholes act online.

Meanwhile, if I say "you may be a pedophile" people will either attempt to defend themselves right out of the gate, or they just hold the L.

Everything you said is what I'd say in an actual, real discussion with people worth a damn. Because they won't try to make bad faith arguments. We just agree and all is well.
 
While I enjoyed taking the piss out of some faggots here who seemed a bit too bothered by this bill, I can actually think of one valid point of concern that non-pedofaggot anime fans may have. Specifically, this line that was used as a point of defense for the bill:
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One would be placing overconfidence in the justice system for thinking that Judge Joe Boomer would look at Berserk or Evangelion and not immediately shield his eyes and declare it as lacking any kind of value. Next thing you know, any Texan who owns, reads, or watches those series may face prosecution for doing so. It's possible for that to happen. But it's just as possible for that case to be tried and presided over by a judge who can differentiate between artistic value and pedofaggotry. However, it's an unnecessary gamble that doesn't need to be taken. I think most people can agree that there's a difference between "real" series like the two I named, and pedoshit. The judge who inevitably tries that case may not see it that way.

This bill isn't going to stop pedophiles from being pedophiles or from drawing disgusting shit. Maybe a meager amount of them will be tried and convicted but it's not going to eradicate them all. Basically the same situation that has existed for decades, except now (theoretically) you have a bigger cultural clusterfuck for the legality of anime/manga in Texas, and possibly the entire US if it becomes federal law.

In practice I don't think it will make that much of a difference for anime watchers, but it may if seething pedofaggots continue to spam disgusting shit at government twitter accounts. Boomers who have no clue what anime is don't need that to be their first impression, because they will be first in line to get everything from Japan banned when politifag grifters start calling for that to happen.

Animefags need to pause their slop, put down the comic book, and if they aren't already, start making every effort possible to draw clear lines between themselves and pedofaggots and disavow them whenever possible.
 
One would be placing overconfidence in the justice system for thinking that Judge Joe Boomer would look at Berserk or Evangelion and not immediately shield his eyes and declare it as lacking any kind of value. Next thing you know, any Texan who owns, reads, or watches those series may face prosecution for doing so. It's possible for that to happen. But it's just as possible for that case to be tried and presided over by a judge who can differentiate between artistic value and pedofaggotry. However, it's an unnecessary gamble that doesn't need to be taken. I think most people can agree that there's a difference between "real" series like the two I named, and pedoshit. The judge who inevitably tries that case may not see it that way.
Which is why I've repeatedly said it's up to interpretation by the given judge in question. Even then, AFAIK a ruling can be challenged if someone wanted to take the case that far, even with a precedent established.

But also, the previous qualifiers are being applied to cases involving depictions of sexual conduct where a person considered underage is concerned.
 
If a man masturbates to both photographs of men and women, or separately, drawings of men and women, then we can deduce that he derives sexual pleasure from both men and women. He would be bisexual.
What if the only man the man in question jerks it to are pictures of himself?
 
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Which is why I've repeatedly said it's up to interpretation by the given judge in question. Even then, AFAIK a ruling can be challenged if someone wanted to take the case that far, even with a precedent established.

But also, the previous qualifiers are being applied to cases involving depictions of sexual conduct where a person considered underage is concerned.
I imagine it depends WHERE in Texas the case happens. Is it in a area where Funimation/Crunchyroll is a regular, or is it a rural county? This is a real question. Even then it still depends on the judge and jury if that's in play.
 
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You wanna jerk off to Jotaro Kujo or a busty old looking Miku
HOWEVER. If you jerk off to a character like Kanna Kamui?
am i being punk'd and this thread is actually some kind of elaborate waifu debate chamber?

how dare you sully the name of Jotaro Kujo, fiend? she is the most beautiful child looking japanese cartoon character in all the lands
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it is you who is the fiend, for Kanna Kamui is the fairest child looking japanese cartoon character and i will protect her honor with my skills of the blade
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fucking nerds
 
how dare you sully the name of Jotaro Kujo, fiend? she is the most beautiful child looking japanese cartoon character in all the lands
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So beautiful.
The point being made here is that Jotaro is 17 in that pic but looks like a grown-ass man while Kanna is literally the 9000 year old loli meme.
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I sincerely appreciate the irony a website that not too long ago had to fight tooth and nail just to exist because most of society sees it as weird, degenerate and toxic is full of people who are fine with the principle of censoring and outlawing things they don't like as long as it's in the right direction. The history book on the shelf is always repeating itself.
Nice try, pedophile, but we see straight through your act. You only support “freeze peach” so long as it enables you to jerk off to kids getting raped.

If liberals were supporting it, you'd be a proud one.
 
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