Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

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I can't even begin to count how many plebbit posts I've seen from confused and unwell teenagers whose parents are "strict/religious/conservative/homeschooling" and who have clearly been groomed into trooning out. You're never going to be able to prevent children from coming into contact with predators - they need to be able to actually resist being preyed on.

It's like what I said in this comment I made a while back: it's not enough to be religious/conservative/strict/etc. Parents also have to be functional adults with a strong sense of self so that they can help foster it in their children.

All too often, the upbringing that conservative and religious parents inflict on their kids winds up producing the same personality type that would also gravitate towards wokism.

Parents all too often are absolutely fucking retarded, and religious and conservative parents are sadly no exception.
 
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Parents also have to be functional adults with a strong sense of self so that they can help foster it in their children.
Part of this is the parent actually being respectable and having a sense of real authority as opposed to only ever outsourcing that to the bible, church, "proper" society, etc. A lot of these parents are punishing when they see behavior they don't like but they never really explain why certain things are bad or are good examples of how to live themselves (or even give alternative behaviors). They're wishy washy and dull but snap when little Timmy reaches for his sister's Barbie. They criticize bad behavior but never compliment good behavior or show appreciation for who their children are.

Up to a certain age it really is "because I know best", until they get old enough you can start explaining why you know best, and then comes that awkward phase they start testing on their own if your way is truly best. Being an active parent is truly hard work. But you're damned if you don't do it.
 
Small thing compared to all the other stuff, but I guess it was just the straw that broke the camels back.
It's a small thing but I think that for many people it is what illustrated and drove home how ridiculous and simply wrong all this gender nonsense is.

The thing about the bathrooms is that many people don't think it's that much of an issue because they imagine trans women as looking and behaving pretty similar to a woman, basically women but with some "twist" (i.e. big jaw, lower voice, etc.). Many also assume the vast majority of trans women had "bottom surgery" as well and therefore have no penis, and are shocked when (if) they find out this isn't the case. And after all, these are close stalls and all, it's not like the women are out there naked, so what is the big deal? Which by the way, is the main reason that I always, always stress that we are not talking about bathrooms only but also about showers and changing/dressing/locker rooms, etc. Often people start to think a bit differently when we are talking about actual nudity. Still many people think as trans women as basically castrated males who looks like women as mentioned above, plus many people don't use public showers and changing rooms, so you know, not their problem, out of sight out of mind. They don't really care about women in prison because it's a distant concept for them and not part of real life for them, plus they rationalize this as "these women had done bad things so they deserve whatever happens to them". Shelters are also a distant concept that is simply not part of their lives. And basically, that's the case with women's sport as well.

BUT, professional women sport competitions on international level are broadcasted and watched by millions of people. These are not women in prisons or shelters, that are basically hidden from the public view. This is on full view for anyone to see. These professional athletes are humans in top shape. And when you see humans in top shape, competing in the same category side by side, the differences between men and women (males and females, of course) are very pronounced. When you see how big Thomas is next to the actual female swimmers, you can't help but think, "is that actually fair?". Even more so if you take into consideration the fact that when participating in the male category, he finished in double and sometimes triple digit places. But even without it. You have to lie to yourself really hard in order to not admit to yourself that yes, males and females are obviously physically different, and no, it isn't fair, and if that's what at least some trans women look like, maybe they shouldn't be in women sport and women's spaces, prisons, shelters, etc., after all. So I think this made quite a significant amount of people to peak, although that doesn't necessarily mean they have admitted it publicly.

I love that everyone thinks the answer is to homeschool their kids, as though socially isolated kids who grow up without learning how to navigate regular social interactions with peers won't be just as easy to groom when they inevitably get access to the Internet.
I don't mean to bring back a heated argument or anything, I just want to say this: I don't oppose to homeschooling at all, in fact there was a time that I seriously thought about doing so myself when I have kids. My problem with this solution is that it is often presented as the ultimate solution (just to make it clear, I'm not saying that's what Andramada says, I mean in general, as part of this discussion), but for many parents this solution is not feasible. If you can do it, all the power to you (seriously), but many, many parents can't. In some places and in some situations, two income household is basically necessary. Sometimes there is only one parent, and not by choice. There could be other reasons as well. I personally realized at some point that I have to work outside for the sake of my mental health (I'm talking about myself only, not everyone needs this). Only one parent working can also be a bit tricky, it creates dependency of one of the parents (usually the woman) on the other, and it's not always ends well, or can create conflicts, etc....

In short, in our society as it is today, homeschooling is not always an option, or it's not a good option for various of reasons, therefore it's not a comprehensive solution to the problem. As a society, we have to stop this brainwashing in schools (and also bring back actual learning and not this shit we see in schools today). We should also take into account that we can homeschool our kids but there are many kids who are not homeschooled and would keep being indoctrinated with this shit, and since we can't withhold internet forever and at some point the kids will hang out with other kids that might not have the same values as ours (I'm talking about teenagers and older, there is a limit to how much you can control your kid's life), they could and probably would be exposed to this shit eventually too. Plus these other kids would grow up eventually and be part of the working force, legislators, etc., their actions might affect us all too. We all live in this society after all. So we have to fight for the other kids as well.

tl;dr - I think homeschooling could be a good solution for some but it can't be THE solution, we have to systematically eradicate this harmful gender nonsense from schools, this is the society we live in after all, we are all effected by it. Of course this is difficult to do and often we have little to no control over this, but we have to try anyway.

Again, I don't mean to criticize Andramada and others like her in any way, it's just that I see it said a lot on the internet, some people say "just homeschool" like this solve everything, and this is just a. not always possible, and b. doesn't fix the whole issue.
 
The thing about the bathrooms is that many people don't think it's that much of an issue because they imagine trans women as looking and behaving pretty similar to a woman, basically women but with some "twist" (i.e. big jaw, lower voice, etc.). Many also assume the vast majority of trans women had "bottom surgery" as well and therefore have no penis, and are shocked when (if) they find out this isn't the case. And after all, these are close stalls and all, it's not like the women are out there naked, so what is the big deal?
Cross-sex restroom use was the compromise for these reasons exactly. There's no nudity expected in public restrooms, they're already unmonitored (except in the reddest of states, after this issue became a big deal), and a man being a transsexual woman came with the assumed baggage that they were either emasculated (taking away the primary tool of rape), at least undergoing chemical castration (thus killing most libido), or was homosexual altogether. Of course, the assumptions about transwomen being post-op or homosexual would have been taken at scouts honor and we would have not had penis inspectors at every Target bathroom.

And transsexual men in mens' rooms were never on anyone's radars because they either (rarely) pass or they're too scared to use the same washroom their touchy uncle and people like him use.

Womens' restrooms aren't my compromise to make, but it seemed to be the general compromise of the normies. "They just want somewhere to pee." But absolutely no man, no way, no how, wanted them in our wives'/daughters'/mothers' locker rooms, prisons or sports. If a man says he supported this, he's either lying to stay where he believes society's good graces lie, or he's seeking to enter these spaces himself. It's all going to be taken away at this point, bathrooms included, just to spite them for continuing to cross every red line.
 
Part of this is the parent actually being respectable and having a sense of real authority as opposed to only ever outsourcing that to the bible, church, "proper" society, etc.

Indeed, kids may be stupid, but parents aren't entitled to their children's respect. They still have to earn it, and if they don't, bad things will happen.
 
Looking back at what peaked me is weird. It kinda started when my boyfriend came out as trans after a period of being an enby. I was like "eh whatever, he's still him" and it maybe annoyed me a little, but I'm a very live and let live type, so as long as it didn't change anything idgaf.

No what fully pushed me over the edge was seeing him have an online breakdown over how he'll never be a skinny, big boobed anime chick with a dick. Like, way to make it obvious you're in it for the coom.
 
Womens' restrooms aren't my compromise to make, but it seemed to be the general compromise of the normies. "They just want somewhere to pee."
All of it was the compromise of the normies. Where is the logic in claiming that they're female enough for the bathroom but not for the prisons and sports? There's no "compromise" with women, it's "fuck you take it and shut up or get punched terf".
But absolutely no man, no way, no how, wanted them in our wives'/daughters'/mothers' locker rooms, prisons or sports. If a man says he supported this, he's either lying to stay where he believes society's good graces lie, or he's seeking to enter these spaces himself.
No man wanted it, theyre protectors y'know. Except when they're whining about the wahmens "invading their spaces" like going to work to earn food to eat.
Men have basically no exclusive spaces. This would be the case of a young woman who wants to LARP as a man but isn't prepared to hand in her keys to womens' spaces and the resources/attention that society extends to women. I'm sure Norah Vincent would like a word or two were she still alive.
Un fucking real. :story:
 
Looking back at what peaked me is weird. It kinda started when my boyfriend came out as trans after a period of being an enby. I was like "eh whatever, he's still him" and it maybe annoyed me a little, but I'm a very live and let live type, so as long as it didn't change anything idgaf.

No what fully pushed me over the edge was seeing him have an online breakdown over how he'll never be a skinny, big boobed anime chick with a dick. Like, way to make it obvious you're in it for the coom.
I'm sorry you went through that. Hopefully you're doing better. I feel like 10-15 years ago, transsexuals were at least sincere in their desire to blend in as the opposite sex. Now the vast majority of them are a bunch of fetishists and they don't even hide it.
 
Parents all too often are absolutely fucking retarded, and religious and conservative parents are sadly no exception.
A kid who's raised into unthinkingly following a religion, as opposed to truly feeling that faith and being taught to question and to argue critically, is someone whose ripe to be snapped up by a different religion, or a metaphysical belief system like troonery.

Like someone said earlier, look at the sheltered homeschool troons who complain about their parents being judgmental Christians, and go on to explain how they're a transwoman and everyone who doesn't agree with their beliefs is wholly evil. It's just a search-and-replace.
 
I considered myself "non-binary" for two years (the pandemic really fucked with my head). The more I learned about the community I was a part of the more disgusted I became with how fake it was. Dissenting opinions on gender-related stuff simply were not allowed. You step out of line and all that "inclusivity" goes down the shitter. That's when it all began to unravel. I've left that behind now, and I'm grateful that I had someone very close to me help pull me out of it. It was a horrible place to be mentally and physically.
the "queer" faction is and always has been nothing but a insincere two faced echo chamber for mentally unstable narcissists and degenerates who only pretend to care about you for as long as you are what they want you to be in their unending delusions. They are incapable of being friends or allies to anyone. The LGBT is a pretty welcoming bunch for the most part and there's an unprecedented push to kick these shit bags to the curb rapidly gaining traction within it because the "queers" are constantly trying to rewrite LGBT history to force themselves into it by making bullshit articles that rewrite the sexuality and gender identity of iconic historical figures in gay civil rights history. It also doesn't help that they are some of the most worthless easy to hate irredeemable pieces of shit to ever fucking exist.
 
the "queers" are constantly trying to rewrite LGBT history to force themselves into it by making bullshit articles that rewrite the sexuality and gender identity of iconic historical figures in gay civil rights history.
The T does that too. T's have been around since far before 2010 (as "transsexuals", like Brandon Teena, Buck Angel or the fictional but culturally-aware Dr. Frankenfurter), but they try to claim that Marsha P. Johnson:

a) started the Stonewall Riots (he didn't)
and
b) that he was "transgender" and not just a drag queen (he was a self-admitted gay man and a drag queen)

The Q's and company are the worst of the bunch, straight colonizers into gay culture seeking to erase all sex-based/orientation-based barriers and sensible gatekeeping (unleashing the self-ID floodgates), but the T's still try to rewrite themselves further back into history to try to provide legitimacy to their grievances. I could count on one hand the number of T's that admit they weren't a big part of Stonewall.
 
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It's like what I said in this comment I made a while back: it's not enough to be religious/conservative/strict/etc. Parents also have to be functional adults with a strong sense of self so that they can help foster it in their children.

All too often, the upbringing that conservative and religious parents inflict on their kids winds up producing the same personality type that would also gravitate towards wokism.

Parents all too often are absolutely fucking retarded, and religious and conservative parents are sadly no exception.
I blame working moms for this. Kids have become increasing detached from their own parents. They don't spend nearly enough time with mom and dad so instead the state and television does most of the process of raising these kids and both of these institutions hate Christianity and promote faggotry.
 
I thought that trans people were normal people that just had mental problems. But as time went on and how many people I saw who were trannies that were insane, I eventually came to the conclusion that trannies and pooners are insane, because that's what they really are.
 
I'm sorry you went through that. Hopefully you're doing better. I feel like 10-15 years ago, transsexuals were at least sincere in their desire to blend in as the opposite sex. Now the vast majority of them are a bunch of fetishists and they don't even hide it.
They don't hide it because large swathes of society (the entire Anglosphere, large tracts of Europe, some Asian countries, etc) lets them get away with it and celebrates it.

I blame working moms for this. Kids have become increasing detached from their own parents. They don't spend nearly enough time with mom and dad so instead the state and television does most of the process of raising these kids and both of these institutions hate Christianity and promote faggotry.
Um, no. If working mothers were somehow responsible for the increase in trans identification, then this would have started in the 1970s and 1980s. It wouldn't have exploded like dynamite ten years ago.
 
I'm sorry you went through that. Hopefully you're doing better. I feel like 10-15 years ago, transsexuals were at least sincere in their desire to blend in as the opposite sex. Now the vast majority of them are a bunch of fetishists and they don't even hide it.
Eh, it probably helps that we're LD, will probably never meet, and he kind of jumps onto whatever fad mental issue is going around? He's told me he's also a plural/multiple and I was just like "wow, another 'popular' mental issue for you" in my head. He doesn't know that I still refer to him as a guy IRL or that I come here, sooooo. Yeah.
 
Eh, it probably helps that we're LD, will probably never meet, and he kind of jumps onto whatever fad mental issue is going around? He's told me he's also a plural/multiple and I was just like "wow, another 'popular' mental issue for you" in my head. He doesn't know that I still refer to him as a guy IRL or that I come here, sooooo. Yeah.
Are you still together? What? Why are you shacking up with someone you'll probably never meet? Delete his Discord dawg.
 
Eh, it probably helps that we're LD, will probably never meet, and he kind of jumps onto whatever fad mental issue is going around? He's told me he's also a plural/multiple and I was just like "wow, another 'popular' mental issue for you" in my head. He doesn't know that I still refer to him as a guy IRL or that I come here, sooooo. Yeah.
The fact that you're bitching about him on KF clearly means you're not at a stage where you're okay with "live and let live" anymore. Dump this loser. Only then will you be truly peaked. 🙏
 
Um, no. If working mothers were somehow responsible for the increase in trans identification, then this would have started in the 1970s and 1980s. It wouldn't have exploded like dynamite ten years ago.
Even earlier. If it was true, then early troonery of Weimar republic would spread worldwide and wouldn't stay a city-specific thing (and working moms were a thing even long before Industrial revolution). Some people hear ''working mom'' and all they can imagine, is a bullshit corporate office job of last 30 years.
 
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Eh, it probably helps that we're LD, will probably never meet, and he kind of jumps onto whatever fad mental issue is going around? He's told me he's also a plural/multiple and I was just like "wow, another 'popular' mental issue for you" in my head. He doesn't know that I still refer to him as a guy IRL or that I come here, sooooo. Yeah.
This is the kind of behavior you'd expect from an attention-starved 15 year old girl, not a grown-ass man. If you're never gonna meet irl, what's the point?
 
I thought that trans people were normal people that just had mental problems. But as time went on and how many people I saw who were trannies that were insane, I eventually came to the conclusion that trannies and pooners are insane, because that's what they really are.
Sick people want to be cured. Schizos want not to be. Trannies celebrate their life-ending mental illness. They do not want to wake up tomorrow as a man or a woman. They want to hit the grave (early) being proud of their condition.
 
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