Debate @COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST on the slippery slope of making loli porn illegal - At the user's own request.

[Agent Abe Caprine]

Holy shit, why the fuck is this thread over 30 pages?

Couldn't find any other version without a kid in it.

 

[Po's Cootah]

I think it's time for another exposé on a loud and proud lolicon: the one, the only, @Tad Loaf. I won't even include summaries for this one, just go ahead and read the posts themselves.

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Once again, we have the Kiwi Farms posts.
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You see, this is why I'm not completely pro-loli (the law is a great idea, but see my previous points). A lot of lolicon-loving creeps completely ignore the roots of lolicon, how actual pedophiles can project their fetishes onto lolicon and how lolicon can be used to hurt real children. While I don't think weird hentai should be completely banned, it should for sure be regulated so no children are harmed or sexualized in the process (like someone tracing over a picture of a child for their porn). Also, if you masturbate to realistically-styled lolicon/shotacon or have stuff like child sex dolls... Sorry, but you ARE a pedophile. They may not be real, but they look a lot like real children, so you may as well jerk off to the actual thing.

In fact...

 

[𖦹Junkpop𖦹]

I mean, I understand the concern of the worst-case scenario happening in regard to internet censorship, but also, it's not that hard to not jack off to anime toddlers.

These retards are acting like they're going to start North-Korean-level public shaming and labor camps, simply because they they're not allowed kiddly diddly materials. I have sperged about this before but unfortunately, the government was way to late in implementing regulations regarding generative videos and images, enforcement probably difficult now. Unless there is a approach to restrict access to social media and porn websites through ID verification or a ban on running AI software on personal computers, it will be difficult to manage. However, I'm hopeful that stricter measures may be introduced with that aspect of AI, like with the Take It Down Act.

 

[Gunslinger Spawn]

I think it's time for another exposé on a loud and proud lolicon: the one, the only, @Tad Loaf. I won't even include summaries for this one, just go ahead and read the posts themselves.

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Once again, we have the Kiwi Farms posts.
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He was proud of being a 4chan user for 15 years, 5 years ago. This is high likely a late 30s, 40+ year old man defending cp right here.

 

[Inco G. Nito]

He was proud of being a 4chan user for 15 years, 5 years ago. This is high likely a late 30s, 40+ year old man defending cp right here.

how optimistic of you

I'm 57, for the record

 

[Gunslinger Spawn]

how optimistic of you

Oh fuck.. I think we found a Todd Daugherty sock... The age and the pedo behavior match. The guy went to jail for this shit.

 

[Osama Bin Laden]

You see, this is why I'm not completely pro-loli.

nigga what

 

[Vygode]

Here's my opinion: Don't ban lolicon, but flag every single consumer of it for further investigation. This not only ensures that suspicious people get flagged, but that there's an easy trap to identify each and every single person who consumes such pornography for the purpose of stopping one who may be on the path to doing something irredeemable. Sort of like a mental cancer, if you can identify the patients before they get to late-stage, you can put them on a path for correction.

 

[Großmann]

It's unfortunate you view real children and drawings on equal footing, but instead of owning people you don't like on the internet all it does is trivialize actual child abuse and the trauma they suffer from it.

Two of my favorite deflections in one sentence.
>it’s just a drawing
It’s not that it’s a drawing, it’s what it represents (children). Whether real or not, you are training your brain to respond sexually to children. Most people who are rabid enough about lolicon porn to debate people on the internet in its defense will likely graduate to viewing actual child porn at some point because they need something new to get the same coom they used to when they started looking at loli. You may call it a slipper slope, but I call it the loli-to-sex offender registry pipeline.

>criticizing lolicon means you don’t take child abuse seriously
This has never been a convincing argument. People don’t like this shit exactly because of the fact that it encourages people who engage with lolicon content and internet communities to move in that direction. It’s like saying that one doesn’t take murder seriously if he criticizes a kid for drawing elaborate murder fantasies.

 

[Po's Cootah]

nigga what

See my previous posts (I totally get wanting to ban stuff like toddlercon, though, but see my points about people abusing this law and this having a risk of censoring rule 34 in general, along with judges distorting it, there's a difference between RapeLay and an aged-up Nezuko - though I get it if the "aged up Nezuko" looks exactly like her 12-year-old self and has the exact same design), even though I hate lolicon and I'm absolutely not into it unlike the other previous loli creeps. I said this as a response to Tad Loaf's claim as a "freeze peach extremist". @Vygode also has a great idea about shotacon/lolicon.

Here's my opinion: Don't ban lolicon, but flag every single consumer of it for further investigation. This not only ensures that suspicious people get flagged, but that there's an easy trap to identify each and every single person who consumes such pornography for the purpose of stopping one who may be on the path to doing something irredeemable. Sort of like a mental cancer, if you can identify the patients before they get to late-stage, you can put them on a path for correction.

Don't ban lolicon, but tag its avid consumers and watch them to see if they do anything to real kids. That's a great idea, if you ask me.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

However, laws about not swearing, "obscene cartoons" or women's dress codes in Afghanistan are just dumb.

Why's existing obscenity law dumb exactly? The Miller test is, if anything, too lenient.

Exactly. Keep it in their circles and not spread it in public.

Let's put it this way: Would you agree that the law should forbid websites from hosting it then?

All pornography (and LGBT) doesn't need be suppressed.

Yes it does. Pornography is bad for society, and LGBT are even worse, at least pornstars don't do storytime readings with kids like drag queens with their Drag Queen Story Hour bullshit.

Again, I have commented on how countries which ban lolicon (and pornography in general) and go "PORN BAD SODOMY BAD CHASTITY GOOD" are factories of child pornography and have high rates of rape and child sex abuse.

Banning porn doesn't cause any of that shit, I hate to say the libtard line but correlation doesn't equal causation. If we banned porn in America rape wouldn't magically skyrocket or anything.

(what are these good books, exactly?)

Books like "When Harry Became Sally: Responding to the Transgender Moment", which is critical of transgenderism. Basically they're all socially conservative books that Wokeism deems dangerous and wrongthink.

And yet I bet Amazon never banned loli books though (assuming Amazon sells hentai at all). Funny how that works, huh? It's easy and deemed a moral imperative to suppress conservatism, but impossible and wrong to ban porn. Society is backwards.

If it's used to persecute people over simply drawing Froppy hentai, then it's not a good purpose and no different from wrongthink.

It is a good purpose and is different from wrongthink, because loli is immoral. What's consequence would there be from banning loli exactly?

There is nothing wrong with non-vanilla porn if it's not sexualizing real people or using them as references (such as Shadman's drawings out of Mia Keem), and it is up to the consumer if they get addicted to it and are not able to tell fiction from reality or not.

There's something wrong with all porn, vanilla or not, real or animated. There's a gradation of wrongness but it's all bad.

No, it's not up to the consumer if they get addicted, that's why we restrict gambling and drugs. Porn is a social ill with far-reaching consequences, it should be banned or at the very least more strictly regulated, it's far too normalized and accessible.

That's the issue. A judge may also try to arrest someone over a character's canon age, even when they are aged up and appear to be adults. I want the law to focus on the real threats. No "sodomy" or "indecent cartoons" shit, just the "using children in prompts and references or realistic-looking child porn" parts. Otherwise, it will become something authoritarian, and lunatics on the internet can and WILL abuse this law to falsely report people and try to ruin their lives. That's my concern.

I very much doubt that a judge would do that since the character would then be an adult. However, though I'm in favor of a ban, I don't think people belong in prison over anime characters. A ban should be handled differently, so I think not wanting people's lives ruined over it is as close to any common ground as we're going to find together on this subject.

Maybe lolifags should just face a social stigma?

They already do, though perhaps not enough if they're coming into a thread like this to defend themselves.

Also, I don't buy the "You kill people in GTA and you aren't a murderer, so why would loli mean you're a pedophile?" argument anymore because I've learned that seeing violent media can activate the parts in your brain that would activate if you participated in violence. By that I mean it can traumatize you, or if you enjoy the violence, it might means you're a sadist or whatever the word is.

This is an example of coming to the right conclusion for the wrong reasons. The GTA argument doesn't work because sex and violence are simply different and it's a false equivalence.

You see, this is why I'm not completely pro-loli.

There's no reason to be pro-loli at all, or really even neutral, but there's plenty of reasons to be against it. It's offensive, immoral, and also annoying because it gives anime a bad name.

Also, if you masturbate to realistically-styled lolicon/shotacon or have stuff like child sex dolls... Sorry, but you ARE a pedophile. They may not be real, but they look a lot like real children, so you may as well jerk off to the actual thing.

It's always worse if there's a real victim involved but yeah, they're unambiguously pedophiles. Hard to believe those dolls are even legal.

 

[Nameless One]

The internet will be censored regardless if a government really wanted it to be. In fact modern internet already is a clusterfuck to navigate thanks to censorship. There is no ethics or debate here. Jacking off to drawn child porn and sexualized child characters, is not in fact very good and honestly its sick. I've ended it here. You're welcome!

There is no freedom of speech or expression. It is always down to what a state will dictate. On their terms. Not yours. If you ever believed there is true freedom of speech and expression then I have a bridge to sell you. Edgy retards and childish types always latch onto these concepts to excuse their behaviors and fetishes.

 

[Großmann]

The internet will be censored regardless if a government really wanted it to be. In fact modern internet already is a clusterfuck to navigate thanks to censorship. There is no ethics or debate here. Jacking off to drawn child porn and sexualized child characters, is not in fact very good and honestly its sick. I've ended it here. You're welcome!

There is no freedom of speech or expression. It is always down to what a state will dictate. On their terms. Not yours. If you ever believed there is true freedom of speech and expression then I have a bridge to sell you. Edgy retards and childish types always latch onto these concepts to excuse their behaviors and fetishes.

I think a big issue we have concerning discussing free speech is the fact that Libertarians have hijacked what is meant by it. The original framing of the First Amendment of the US Constitution was on the people being able to speak against the government (or King) and to exercise their faith in a manner they so choose (considering the strife in Great Britain over the forms of worship and theology that should be practiced). The 1A was not supposed to be a free-for-all on saying and making whatever. The founding fathers were not thinking of porn or lewd anime girls when they drafted this amendment.

So yes, you will not get “true” free speech because it’s untenable with society. Speech is going to have limits if a given society is going to be functional. This includes limiting the sexualization of children in media, since, more times than not, the end-result is child abuse.

 

[We Are The Witches]

In fact...

Sorry, what's the purpose of that 3D model they have of "Sweetie"?

I can't imagine it being used for anything, unless it's to fool those indian users who compliment paintings on FaceBook.

 

[Po's Cootah]

Sorry, what's the purpose of that 3D model they have of "Sweetie"?

I can't imagine it being used for anything, unless it's to fool those indian users who compliment paintings on FaceBook.

It's used to bait pedophiles.

 

[NoBueno]

Speech is going to have limits if a given society is going to be functional. This includes limiting the sexualization of children in media, since, more times than not, the end-result is child abuse.

I disagree. Child trafficking is happening around the world right now, right under everyones noses. According to some reports there are the most child sex slaves in human history. So it's where I get the impression this is all performative from people. Since if you actually cared to dig into the real life reports and articles, it's a fucking shitshow out there. The child traffickers are just raking in the money. And I'm pretty sure the source isn't moeblob fanedits. It's almost like it's brought up purposefully as an easy distraction or easy foe to vanquish, to claim a win. Even though the youtube pedohunters are fame hungry glory hounds, going after the lowest hanging fruit possible. At least they do something real. That's my opinion on the subject.

 

[Gravemind]

I disagree. Child trafficking is happening around the world right now, right under everyones noses. According to some reports there are the most child sex slaves in human history. So it's where I get the impression this is all performative from people. Since if you actually cared to dig into the real life reports and articles, it's a fucking shitshow out there. The child traffickers are just raking in the money. And I'm pretty sure the source isn't moeblob fanedits. It's almost like it's brought up purposefully as an easy distraction or easy foe to vanquish, to claim a win. Even though the youtube pedohunters are fame hungry glory hounds, going after the lowest hanging fruit possible. At least they do something real. That's my opinion on the subject.
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Let me get this straight:
You disagree that limiting (or outright preventing) the sexualization of children in media is a necessary limitation of free speech because child trafficking occurs all over the world, because, according to you, if we really cared about child abuse, we would hunting down the child traffickers.

You do know we can all think both things are terrible and advocate that they both need to be curbed, right?

Have you done anything yourself in order to curb the trafficking of children around the world?

 

[NoBueno]

Let me get this straight:
You disagree that limiting (or outright preventing) the sexualization of children in media is a necessary limitation of free speech because child trafficking occurs all over the world, because, according to you, if we really cared about child abuse, we would hunting down the child traffickers.

You do know we can all think both things are terrible and advocate that they both need to be curbed, right?

Have you done anything yourself in order to curb the trafficking of children around the world?

No no, I'm not telling you to stop, keep chasing around idiots watching vtubers. I have more productive things to do with my time.

 

[Gunslinger Spawn]

I have more productive things to do with my time.

I mean you registered on this site.

 

[NoBueno]

I mean you registered on this site.

Have you tried posting on regular sites lately? You can't discuss anything controversial without taking a ban.