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Should be a wild four years.

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I thought it would be impossible for Redditors to become more bugman than the "afraid of outdoors" post, but here we are. Afraid of low fucking prices.
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reading this Redditors profile is a fucking trip, she cut off all her genitals besides a hole for her to pee because she wants to be genderless, and she ended up becoming a communist
 
EBT should just be rations and not choice. It should be the bare minimum to keep them alive until they can earn there own money, and should be just enough to keep them almost, but not quit full. EBT should not be comfortable enough to sit on your ass and keep fucking to have babies. It should be an absolute miserable experience to motivate you to get off and get working. I'd almost say get rid of EBT entirely, and have the local school cafeterias open twice a day for qualified participants to eat school lunch slop after the school kids lunch periods are over. Purchase in bulk savings, nutritional values can be ensured, and fraud can be radically eliminated. Although I will miss my cash-only steaks from the crack head with 2 starving children at 50 cents on the dollar down at the Pig.
The thing with these programs is that there's a minimum threshold where if you are below it you are unable to perform the functions needed to actually hold a job.

Like having a single monthly payment is hard even for college students and is suspect there's many people here who would have a hard time budgeting if they weren't paid bi-weekly. The nogs who can't budget would spend the last two weeks of the month with a completely different diet then the start of the month and would be starving and having their work performance suffer.

Planning a week at a time is much easier, as if you notice you need something you only have to wait maybe 3 days to get it instead of having to remember you need it for three weeks.
 
Supposedly a list of influencer paid by the DNC has leaked (or least influencers that use a heavy DNC aliened PR firm)

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I think the funniest thing to me (if it is true) is that they list all the pronoun along with the race juuuuuuuuuussssssssssssttttttttttttttttt to make sure the DNC is hitting all the groups.

Oh and the color represent which niche they are in. Gotta make sure you get them all!

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Thinking about it more.....there is some mid 20 year old biz major cracked out on SSRI creating Dashboards and Reports on hitting all the ethnic group.

WE ARE DOWN ON THE LATINIX MARKET SEGETMENT, WE GOTTA PUMP THOSE NUMBERS!
 
When I went into 12th grade in high school, my statistics teacher had everyone read this book before class started:

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Honestly, one of the most important books I've ever read. Anyone who smugly references "statistics" to prove their point is either lying to you or too dumb to understand how easy it is to lie with statistics.

Lying with statistics is extremely common. Here is a comical example:
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SNAP used for soda devolves into opinionated petty arguments.

Conservative minded people are spiteful towards "moochers". They enjoy inflicting suffering on those they deem undeserving, because sloth is a sin deserving of punishment. Conservatives view longterm poverty as a moral failing, because they think all people can be productive. Conservatives often reach for "sticks" when teaching corrective behavior. Conservatives are more charitable when given discretion on who they donate to. Conservatives think Liberals "spoil the child".

Liberal minded people enjoy being seen as charitable ("performative philanthropy"). Liberals believe they have the moral high ground advocating for public charitable causes. Liberals view longterm poverty as a systemic issue inflicted on "random" individuals. Liberals think there will always be some unproductive people. Liberals often rely on community imposed solutions for moral failings. Liberals are more charitable when creating community wide charity programs. Liberals think Conservatives are cruel.

Both ways of thinking can design systems that improve the lives of everyone. Both ways of thinking can also make the problem worse. Politicians pit these philosophical differences against each other in order to gain power while avoiding fixing the underlying problem because it would lose them power. An example is the abortion issue in America before Trump improved the problem by moving the issue to the State level.

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There are many ways of actually solving the problem. Navigating modern politics and entrenched interest groups is the hard part. This is very apparent with the drama around influencers taking "Big Soda's" money to shill for continued SNAP coverage of soda-slop.

Framing the issue as a public health problem, and "think of the children" is RFK Jr's strategy so far. He could attack the "corporate welfare" angle, but that makes some strong enemies. Finding a way to retain corporate profits while getting rid of the soda menace would be a less painful solution. He could also try pitting 2 industries against each other.
 
iirc part of the logic behind dumping the resources into a flat ebt card that can be used whatever ways is that setting up the logistics of a food distribution network is a challenging enough thing that it's already an industry unto itself with people competing with each other to be most efficient at it
and the stores sure as shit aren't going to play along with any system that expects them to track how many chicken points a pack of legs is vs a pack of thighs, they'll just opt out because it won't be worth the reimbursements to the stores, meaning it'll end up back on the state to set up the distribution network
obviously "just don't feed poors" is a simple knot-cutter but I'm talking about within the framework of having a system in place, the theory is that you can get a lot more bang for your tax buck by just tagging in the private market who already do this shit for a living, and yeah it sucks that some of the money gets blown on shit but the overall ROI is still a lot better
 
EBT should just be rations and not choice. It should be the bare minimum to keep them alive until they can earn there own money, and should be just enough to keep them almost, but not quit full. EBT should not be comfortable enough to sit on your ass and keep fucking to have babies. It should be an absolute miserable experience to motivate you to get off and get working.
You're right. If someone is unable to get a job that can push them above the poverty line, they should be tortured until they kill themselves.

On a totally unrelated note, did you know that more than 60% of employees at Walmart, the largest private employer on earth, are on food stamps?
 

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This will make me sound like a shill and I don't particularly care for spending EBT on coke but most of those food stamp recipients are wage earners and taxpayers. That actually is their own money they're spending.
Most of them aren't really taxpayers though, they work the most bullshit minimum wage minimum hours job they can to meet the minimum standards for more gibs, with how much gibs they get and how little income tax they actually pay on their low wages (plus things like earned income credit lowering their tax burden even more) these people get far more money from the government than they give. The only way the government can hope to recoup any losses is through sales tax and shit like the lottery.
 
If recipients are going to use EBT like money, and EBT ultimately comes from money, wouldn't it be more efficient to just give them (more) money (again)? If you receive enough money to feed yourself, and fail to do so, that shouldn't be the nanny state's problem.
there's already the infrastructure built-in to sort out the non-food (in theory) so that's easy enough to limit without need to check if your turnip rations are okay or if you need to settle for okra
 
SNAP used for soda devolves into opinionated petty arguments.
Thanks for giving us AI's hot take. 🙄

If you're broke and on public assistance then your life sucks enough already. We left that whole bare minimum assistance behind for the reason that it doesn't actually improve your chances to ascend poverty if you're constantly thinking of how much you hate it

That's good. SNAP was meant for people like you and people like you deserve options. That's partly why it's worth giving the assorted scum and villainy of this earth their leeway.
The money we as taxpayers give to poors to give them money to live and eat should not include money for comfort food like soda and Doritos. Should we give them free plasma tvs, cable subscriptions, and video games too? How about heroin? Surely they their life won't suck!

The biggest argument I'd like to see you refute is this:

We have a $36 Trillion debt, and a deficit in spending which causes it to grow $2T (and increasing) every year. We take in less in taxes than we spend.

Do you think this has zero consequence? That we can just print infinimoney with no inflation or monetary collapse? Or just "tax the rich more" or "cut other stuff" to solve everything?

The problem with the debt goes beyond SNAP. SNAP is a fraction. We spend a shitton more on Medicare and Medicaid and a huge part of that spending is due to chronic disease, which is exacerbated by processed foods and soda.

I don't think RFK should ban HFCS or unhealthy foods. If SNAPhavers (or anyone else) want to spend their own non-gibs money on Gatorade and Moon Pies fine. But if we accept there will always be poors, and it will always be a function of our government to subsidize them, then in the long term by not helping them buy poison and helping them to eat healthier, it will lower our government subsidized health care costs.

Now if we can run at a surplus where taxes, fees, and tariffs cover all the yearly spending, and then we pay off the Debt, and THEN you want to give the poor Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism with money for Coke and video games and it also covers their Ozempic and 'beetus meds and liver transplants, fine.
 
Bet. Let's see YOU live on a SNAP budget eating nothing but bread, water and rice. Now food turns into a luxury item like government cheese from cooper cheese.

I asked ChatGPT how much money my family would receive from SNAP per month, and it's ~50% higher than our actual grocery budget. I have no idea if the numbers ChatGPT gave me were accurate or how my state compares to others, but it's all I have to go off of. I lost my job a couple months ago (not a big deal as I'd been expecting it for a while, plus I have another one lined up for next month and my wife makes good money), so I've been very focused on shopping smart and was pretty surprised at how far I could make our money go, even with current inflation levels.

Rice and beans are healthy and cheap, and there are a lot of different ways to prepare them using various vegetables and seasonings. A common meal I make for my family is to cook an onion in a drizzle of olive oil, add in 3 cans of black beans, 3 cans of kidney beans, 2 cans of diced tomatoes, and then season with cumin, black pepper, chili powder, paprika, and garlic powder. Serve that over 2.5-3 cups of rice, and sprinkle with a bit of shredded cheese if desired. The beans, onion, and tomatoes add up to about $9, everything else is hard to estimate the price of because I use such a small amount of the container (and buy the rice in 20 pound bags, I have a large family), but altogether I'd say it costs between $11 and $13 on the high end. It fills an extra deep 9" x 13" glass pan, is very filling, and gives maybe 10-12 full meal servings on average depending on who is eating it exactly. It's healthy, and very filling, much more so than junk food.

We also got a cheap bread machine from Walmart, and usually make a loaf of fresh bread every day - with only 6 easy to pronounce ingredients as a baseline. I bake banana muffins and cookies for the kids to take in their lunches every week as well, and while those things aren't exactly health food, it's still cheaper and healthier than buying them from the store, in addition to tasting way better and being more filling.

Anyway, my point with all that is for somebody willing to put in the effort to cook, a SNAP budget seems like it can pretty easily provide healthy meals with some good desserts as well for a "luxury". Junk food is made to be both addictive and not very filling, and is generally more expensive per ounce, so even though the actual price tag looks cheap, eating it ends up costing people way more than the healthier options. I think that asking for a bit of effort from people who are living off of the tax dollars of other people is completely reasonable.
 
If recipients are going to use EBT like money, and EBT ultimately comes from money, wouldn't it be more efficient to just give them (more) money (again)? If you receive enough money to feed yourself, and fail to do so, that shouldn't be the nanny state's problem.
No, because EBT is a USDA programme that sends money back to farmers.

There was an idea floated in the Trump years for TRUMPCRATE, which was going to be a food parcel box on top of EBT, like govt cheese back in the 80s. Liberals/leftists screeched about that because they claimed it wouldn't give people a CHOICE or that it would strain the USPS more.

Basically liberals hate humanity.

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Apply for EBT, the money's there and you may as well just take it.
 
Fun story: Several years ago I had to draw unemployment for about 6 months after a RIF. It was $220/wk, ~$180 after taxes were withheld (yes you pay income tax on your unemployment benefit). I had to go online every single week and fill out a form listing at least three jobs I applied for, etc. They didn't make it easy. So I finally get a job and it started on a Monday. However the guy had me come in the Friday before for about 20 minutes to fill out paperwork, no big deal right? Nope, big deal. I got paid my final unemployment check for that week and somehow my new employer reported that I had worked for 20 mins that Friday and about six months later I get a certified letter from the govt informing me that they had discovered my unemployemt fraud. They wanted that $180 back (actually they wanted the full $220 back even though I only got $180). I contested it and never heard back until I filed my taxes a year later and they just connfiscated $220 from my refund.

That's why welfare fraud burns my ass. On top of that I actually have to spend time in local HHS offices on occasion for work and see the fraud up close. It's staggering. For example, at some point during the Obama years a new rule was passed where the value of your vehicle couldn't be considered when calculating welfare benefits. I am not exaggerating when I say that within a week every car in the parking lot on disbursement day was suddenly better than those of the employees. And the $1000 rims? My God all the $1000 rims.

I have even witnessed mothers bring their daughters in on their 18th birthday to help fill out their paperwork to make sure they maximize their checks. Sometimes 3rd-generation getting on the dole. Like jailhouse lawyers, they've mastered this system
 
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