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Should be a wild four years.

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This will make me sound like a shill and I don't particularly care for spending EBT on coke but most of those food stamp recipients are wage earners and taxpayers. That actually is their own money they're spending.
Most of them aren't really taxpayers though, they work the most bullshit minimum wage minimum hours job they can to meet the minimum standards for more gibs, with how much gibs they get and how little income tax they actually pay on their low wages (plus things like earned income credit lowering their tax burden even more) these people get far more money from the government than they give. The only way the government can hope to recoup any losses is through sales tax and shit like the lottery.
 
If recipients are going to use EBT like money, and EBT ultimately comes from money, wouldn't it be more efficient to just give them (more) money (again)? If you receive enough money to feed yourself, and fail to do so, that shouldn't be the nanny state's problem.
there's already the infrastructure built-in to sort out the non-food (in theory) so that's easy enough to limit without need to check if your turnip rations are okay or if you need to settle for okra
 
SNAP used for soda devolves into opinionated petty arguments.
Thanks for giving us AI's hot take. 🙄

If you're broke and on public assistance then your life sucks enough already. We left that whole bare minimum assistance behind for the reason that it doesn't actually improve your chances to ascend poverty if you're constantly thinking of how much you hate it

That's good. SNAP was meant for people like you and people like you deserve options. That's partly why it's worth giving the assorted scum and villainy of this earth their leeway.
The money we as taxpayers give to poors to give them money to live and eat should not include money for comfort food like soda and Doritos. Should we give them free plasma tvs, cable subscriptions, and video games too? How about heroin? Surely they their life won't suck!

The biggest argument I'd like to see you refute is this:

We have a $36 Trillion debt, and a deficit in spending which causes it to grow $2T (and increasing) every year. We take in less in taxes than we spend.

Do you think this has zero consequence? That we can just print infinimoney with no inflation or monetary collapse? Or just "tax the rich more" or "cut other stuff" to solve everything?

The problem with the debt goes beyond SNAP. SNAP is a fraction. We spend a shitton more on Medicare and Medicaid and a huge part of that spending is due to chronic disease, which is exacerbated by processed foods and soda.

I don't think RFK should ban HFCS or unhealthy foods. If SNAPhavers (or anyone else) want to spend their own non-gibs money on Gatorade and Moon Pies fine. But if we accept there will always be poors, and it will always be a function of our government to subsidize them, then in the long term by not helping them buy poison and helping them to eat healthier, it will lower our government subsidized health care costs.

Now if we can run at a surplus where taxes, fees, and tariffs cover all the yearly spending, and then we pay off the Debt, and THEN you want to give the poor Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism with money for Coke and video games and it also covers their Ozempic and 'beetus meds and liver transplants, fine.
 
Bet. Let's see YOU live on a SNAP budget eating nothing but bread, water and rice. Now food turns into a luxury item like government cheese from cooper cheese.

I asked ChatGPT how much money my family would receive from SNAP per month, and it's ~50% higher than our actual grocery budget. I have no idea if the numbers ChatGPT gave me were accurate or how my state compares to others, but it's all I have to go off of. I lost my job a couple months ago (not a big deal as I'd been expecting it for a while, plus I have another one lined up for next month and my wife makes good money), so I've been very focused on shopping smart and was pretty surprised at how far I could make our money go, even with current inflation levels.

Rice and beans are healthy and cheap, and there are a lot of different ways to prepare them using various vegetables and seasonings. A common meal I make for my family is to cook an onion in a drizzle of olive oil, add in 3 cans of black beans, 3 cans of kidney beans, 2 cans of diced tomatoes, and then season with cumin, black pepper, chili powder, paprika, and garlic powder. Serve that over 2.5-3 cups of rice, and sprinkle with a bit of shredded cheese if desired. The beans, onion, and tomatoes add up to about $9, everything else is hard to estimate the price of because I use such a small amount of the container (and buy the rice in 20 pound bags, I have a large family), but altogether I'd say it costs between $11 and $13 on the high end. It fills an extra deep 9" x 13" glass pan, is very filling, and gives maybe 10-12 full meal servings on average depending on who is eating it exactly. It's healthy, and very filling, much more so than junk food.

We also got a cheap bread machine from Walmart, and usually make a loaf of fresh bread every day - with only 6 easy to pronounce ingredients as a baseline. I bake banana muffins and cookies for the kids to take in their lunches every week as well, and while those things aren't exactly health food, it's still cheaper and healthier than buying them from the store, in addition to tasting way better and being more filling.

Anyway, my point with all that is for somebody willing to put in the effort to cook, a SNAP budget seems like it can pretty easily provide healthy meals with some good desserts as well for a "luxury". Junk food is made to be both addictive and not very filling, and is generally more expensive per ounce, so even though the actual price tag looks cheap, eating it ends up costing people way more than the healthier options. I think that asking for a bit of effort from people who are living off of the tax dollars of other people is completely reasonable.
 
If recipients are going to use EBT like money, and EBT ultimately comes from money, wouldn't it be more efficient to just give them (more) money (again)? If you receive enough money to feed yourself, and fail to do so, that shouldn't be the nanny state's problem.
No, because EBT is a USDA programme that sends money back to farmers.

There was an idea floated in the Trump years for TRUMPCRATE, which was going to be a food parcel box on top of EBT, like govt cheese back in the 80s. Liberals/leftists screeched about that because they claimed it wouldn't give people a CHOICE or that it would strain the USPS more.

Basically liberals hate humanity.

@Benjamin Matlock

Apply for EBT, the money's there and you may as well just take it.
 
Fun story: Several years ago I had to draw unemployment for about 6 months after a RIF. It was $220/wk, ~$180 after taxes were withheld (yes you pay income tax on your unemployment benefit). I had to go online every single week and fill out a form listing at least three jobs I applied for, etc. They didn't make it easy. So I finally get a job and it started on a Monday. However the guy had me come in the Friday before for about 20 minutes to fill out paperwork, no big deal right? Nope, big deal. I got paid my final unemployment check for that week and somehow my new employer reported that I had worked for 20 mins that Friday and about six months later I get a certified letter from the govt informing me that they had discovered my unemployemt fraud. They wanted that $180 back (actually they wanted the full $220 back even though I only got $180). I contested it and never heard back until I filed my taxes a year later and they just connfiscated $220 from my refund.

That's why welfare fraud burns my ass. On top of that I actually have to spend time in local HHS offices on occasion for work and see the fraud up close. It's staggering. For example, at some point during the Obama years a new rule was passed where the value of your vehicle couldn't be considered when calculating welfare benefits. I am not exaggerating when I say that within a week every car in the parking lot on disbursement day was suddenly better than those of the employees. And the $1000 rims? My God all the $1000 rims.

I have even witnessed mothers bring their daughters in on their 18th birthday to help fill out their paperwork to make sure they maximize their checks. Sometimes 3rd-generation getting on the dole. Like jailhouse lawyers, they've mastered this system
 
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Conservative minded people are spiteful towards "moochers". They enjoy inflicting suffering on those they deem undeserving, because sloth is a sin deserving of punishment. Conservatives view longterm poverty as a moral failing, because they think all people can be productive. Conservatives often reach for "sticks" when teaching corrective behavior. Conservatives are more charitable when given discretion on who they donate to. Conservatives think Liberals "spoil the child".
Liberal/Progressive minded people are spiteful towards "workers". They enjoy inflicting suffering on those they deem undeserving, because work and following the rules is a sin deserving of punishment. Liberal/progressives view longterm rule following and hard work as a moral failing, because they think all people should lay around on their asses until Captain Fully Automated Luxury Ghey Space Communism rescues them. Liberals/progressives often reach for "milkshakes" when teaching corrective behavior. Liberals/progressives are more charitable when given discretion on who they choose not to milkshake. Liberals/progressives think normal hard working taxpayers "spoil the Urnge Maan Baad."
 
Do you think this has zero consequence? That we can just print infinimoney with no inflation or monetary collapse?
I've been theorizing about this lately. I think you could if you re-centered your entire economic model around inflationary pressure. Basically instead of taxing people the gov just prints whatever money it needs to fund itself year-to-year. The upshot of this is there's effectively no more deficit build up and whatever deficit currently exists will eventually be devalued to the point where paying it off becomes a simple matter. It would also mean that so long as you produce a material good or service your purchasing power could remain stable relative to the constant rise of inflationary pressure since while goods and services would be continually more expensive that also means the same for the goods and services you produce as well.

However this would also mean accepting that one day the price values of goods will be measured not in flat dollar amounts but in exponent values. It means that retirement becomes a thing of the past as an economy predicated on continual inflationary pressure doesn't really allow for investment capital or financial savings. This would also require the country to be largely self-employed and in possession of their own productive capital save those who work in the public sector or for large-scale industries that can't be democratized effectively (Think car/tractor/microchip manufacturing/Shipbuilding/Foundries)

Effectively you only retain your quality of life so long as you remain productive which means working until the day you die or until you physically can no longer. This is just all my on-paper theorycrafting though. In reality it would probably be far more complicated and full of unforeseen consequences.
 
Le drumpf is executing costco leadership to force them to lower prices
Line… is going down!? 😧 That’s concerning. The peons were supposed to pay high prices for everything! Line was supposed to go up until compliance improves!
Supposedly a list of influencer paid by the DNC has leaked (or least influencers that use a heavy DNC aliened PR firm)

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I think the funniest thing to me (if it is true) is that they list all the pronoun along with the race juuuuuuuuuussssssssssssttttttttttttttttt to make sure the DNC is hitting all the groups.

Oh and the color represent which niche they are in. Gotta make sure you get them all!

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Thinking about it more.....there is some mid 20 year old biz major cracked out on SSRI creating Dashboards and Reports on hitting all the ethnic group.

WE ARE DOWN ON THE LATINIX MARKET SEGETMENT, WE GOTTA PUMP THOSE NUMBERS!
What’s interesting is that this leak is from the left. Most leaks were from the right IIRC, so looks like the right is starting to use leftist tactics for once. Here’s Why That’s A Good Thing…
 
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I am a bit off the current loop, do tell: Have you guys heard of the newest netflix slop and how it is being used by the UK government to justify even more draconian policing of whites and boys while also insisting on the 2010s feminism as being a good idea? They took a real case from a 17yo Rwandan psycho and made him a 13yo white boy for the show, and name drop Andrew Tate (still baffling to me how a entire country is a-logging a cow) and incels.

The UK government is straight up using the show as if it was a real case to push policy and action. Are there any retards in the US Political establishment doing the same? It seems like it is right up the alley of the current out of touch DNC to wanna copy Labour in this to pretend the same shit is happening in the USA but with "racism" and shit.
 
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