The Michael Jackson Documentary That Shook the World Has Vanished - Slate magazine broken-clocking it in review of "Leaving Neverland" sequel

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The Michael Jackson Documentary That Shook the World Has Vanished​


The sequel to Leaving Neverland is here, but the original is nowhere in sight.​


When Leaving Neverland premiered on HBO a little over six years ago, the two-part, four-hour documentary sparked a long-overdue reckoning with the legacy of Michael Jackson. Composed largely of interviews with two men, Wade Robson and James Safechuck, who say that Jackson repeatedly sexually abused them when they were children, the movie seemed to be the tipping point after nearly three decades of rumors, investigations, and out-of-court settlements, prompting a flood of media coverage that included more than a dozen articles in Slate alone. The #MeToo movement had, it seemed, inaugurated a cultural sea change. The rich and famous were no longer considered innocent by default, and their accusers were not immediately suspect. We would never see MJ the same way again.

Leaving Neverland 2: Surviving Michael Jackson, director Dan Reed’s sequel to his bombshell documentary, was released on Tuesday. But this time, it was greeted with virtual silence. Whereas the first movie premiered at the Sundance Film Festival to a room packed with journalists, the second simply popped up on YouTube, less than a month after the entertainment industry trades broke the news of its existence. As of midafternoon Friday, it had 38,000 views.

At a little over 53 minutes, Leaving Neverland 2 is more of an update than a self-contained work, mostly covering Robson and Safechuck’s attempts to pursue legal action against Jackson’s estate in the years since the first movie aired. But if you’re looking to refresh your memory of the original film, you’ll have to make do with the new one’s brief excerpts, because Leaving Neverland effectively no longer exists, at least in the U.S. Relying on a nondisparagement clause in a deal to air a 1992 concert, Jackson’s estate sued HBO for breach of contract, and after five years in court, the network agreed to a settlement that included permanently removing the movie from its Max streaming platform; although Leaving Neverland was released on DVD, the disc is now out of print, and a used copy is nearly $100 on eBay. (In an unexpected twist, you can still stream the film in the U.K., where plaintiff-friendly libel laws usually make it much more difficult to report on public figures, and the second part was broadcast on Channel 4 this week.) MJ, the stage musical based on Jackson’s life, was nominated for 10 Tonys and is now in its fourth year on Broadway; the Cirque du Soleil spectacle set to his music is still running in Las Vegas; and a Hollywood biopic, directed by Training Day’s Antoine Fuqua, has already been filmed, though its release date is uncertain. #MeToo has become #NeverMind.

On its own, Leaving Neverland 2 is, unfortunately, not much to speak of. At Sundance, Reed said that he shot interviews with attorneys on both sides of the case but opted not to use them, focusing exclusively on Robson, Safechuck, and the families. In the sequel, lawyers take center stage. Vince Finaldi and John Manly, whose California practice specializes in civil litigation related to sexual abuse, ably guide us through the basis of their lawsuit, which alleges that the companies Jackson formed to manage his affairs should be held liable for his actions even after his death. But while they convey a sense of dedication to the cause, they can’t be as compelling as Jackson’s alleged victims themselves.

For years, Jackson and his representatives, both legal and public, have argued that his accusers are motivated solely by the desire for money. (The Hollywood biopic is reportedly mired in legal issues because its third act depicts the family of Jordan Chandler, the then-13-year-old who accused Jackson of sexual abuse in 1993, as money-grubbing opportunists.) And they’ve pointed to the fact that Robson and Safechuck both defended Jackson in court. Leaving Neverland devotes a good chunk of its length to explaining why they lied under oath, and although the sequel repeats that explanation in truncated form, it takes time to walk an audience through the emotional logic of defending your alleged abuser, time this brief addendum doesn’t have. As for being in it for the money: With Jackson dead, there aren’t many avenues for justice available to his alleged victims except for the monetary rewards of a civil judgment and the attendant public vindication. And even if their motivations are financial, his estate’s seem unlikely to be less so—especially since megastars like Jackson are most profitable when they’re reinjected into the culture over and over again, and that’s a lot harder to do when the good feelings associated with their songs become associated with a toxic personal brand.

That’s why the most fascinating part of Leaving Neverland 2 has almost nothing to do with Robson and Safechuck. After years of failing to get an on-camera response from Jackson’s estate or his family, Reed turns instead to his fans, who are as much the guardians of his legacy as anyone who holds the rights. Most take Jackson’s side, of course, with one suggesting that Leaving Neverland, which went to almost unbearable lengths to describe when and how Jackson allegedly abused his victims, didn’t go into enough specifics to be convincing. (A clearly stunned Reed asks, off camera, “That wasn’t detailed enough for you?”) But one, a middle-aged Black man identified only as “Z,” says that watching the original documentary set him on a path of questioning and reinvestigating everything he thought he knew. And when he dug around, he says, “I didn’t like what I saw.” It’s a reminder of how powerful the impact of Leaving Neverland was, and of how ominous it is that, at a time when media access is under the near-total control of streaming conglomerates, it’s possible for a movie of such historic and cultural importance to simply disappear.
 
Roman Polanski verifiably on record sodomised an underage girl. MJ did not. There's your difference in why we defend one and not the other.
He also on the record (after fleeing the jurisdiction) said the only reason anyone had any problem with it is because everyone (including the judge) wanted to fuck little girls too.
 
It's hard to prove someone wasn't, but pretty much all the evidence for has been thoroughly debunked and the accusers and esp. their parents have their credibility in shreds.

The moment I started looking into it in any detail, the entire thing collapsed and I've been angry ever since. They destroyed a superbly talented artist whose only crime was to enjoy playing with kids and entertaining kids. What have we become as a society where that has become a bad thing?

I recall an interview with another musician from Live Aid (an event that many of the worlds' top stars participated in) talking about how Michael Jackson had perfect pitch. They asked for a certain C note and nothing to tune against, MJ just belts it out. Perfectly.


Roman Polanski verifiably on record sodomised an underage girl. MJ did not. There's your difference in why we defend one and not the other.


Yep. One of his finest songs, imo: "All I Want to Say is that They Don't Really Care About Us."

Can't state things more clearly than that title. And a message that some people really need to hear.


FYI, this is the drawing of Michael Jackson's penis that the witness provided.

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Not to mention, Robson and Safechuck started accusing MJ when they had money problems.

What I find really evil is that I'm pretty sure Wade lied to some of his family and his wife about the abuse, their reactions seem genuine. I think his mother doesn't believe it but just goes along with the lie for him. The Safechucks are all in on the scam, his mother barely shows any emotion in the documentary.
 
Jesus Christ.

I did not know that.
Found the full quote. It was in an interview with Martin Amis:
When I was being driven to the police station from the hotel, the car radio was already talking about it. The newsmen were calling the police before I was arrested to see whether they can break the news. I couldn't believe… I thought, you know, I was going to wake up from it. I realise, if I have killed somebody, it wouldn't have had so much appeal to the press, you see? But… fucking, you see, and the young girls. Judges want to fuck young girls. Juries want to fuck young girls – everyone wants to fuck young girls! No, I knew then, this is going to be another big, big thing.
I'll also note it's an undisputed fact he sodomized her after drugging her. It would have been rape had he done the very same thing even to an adult woman.
 
Found the full quote. It was in an interview with Martin Amis:

I'll also note it's an undisputed fact he sodomized her after drugging her. It would have been rape had he done the very same thing even to an adult woman.
There have been several accusations against Polanski too


Due to the status of limitations he has not faced the justice system but unlike MJ accusers i think only one of his victims ( the original victim, the one asking for the case to be dismissed) sued him for money.
 
It's hard to prove someone wasn't, but pretty much all the evidence for has been thoroughly debunked and the accusers and esp. their parents have their credibility in shreds.

The moment I started looking into it in any detail, the entire thing collapsed and I've been angry ever since. They destroyed a superbly talented artist whose only crime was to enjoy playing with kids and entertaining kids. What have we become as a society where that has become a bad thing?

I recall an interview with another musician from Live Aid (an event that many of the worlds' top stars participated in) talking about how Michael Jackson had perfect pitch. They asked for a certain C note and nothing to tune against, MJ just belts it out. Perfectly.


Roman Polanski verifiably on record sodomised an underage girl. MJ did not. There's your difference in why we defend one and not the other.


Yep. One of his finest songs, imo: "All I Want to Say is that They Don't Really Care About Us."

Can't state things more clearly than that title. And a message that some people really need to hear.


FYI, this is the drawing of Michael Jackson's penis that the witness provided.

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>literally who tranny posts something on the X, farms sperg out

>dude who had to pay multiple people to shut up about him molesting their children, farms defend him

ljl
 
Is there any actual evidence that MJ was a pedo, or did he simply know too much and had to be thrown under the bus? I guess now is as good as time to revive this discussion as any.
A gargantuan amount of smoke for there to be no fire. Most likely the consequence of horrific childhood abuse at the hands of his father. He's a tragic figure. Utterly unmatched musically.
 
He also on the record (after fleeing the jurisdiction) said the only reason anyone had any problem with it is because everyone (including the judge) wanted to fuck little girls too.
And from what I remember, Polanskis' lawyers were working out a plea deal where he would've done little time if he pled guilty, but the judge wanted to sentence him to much more time. That's one reason he ran to France.
 
A gargantuan amount of smoke for there to be no fire.
So bring the fire, bitch, bring the fire. None of it was ever brought in two criminal prosecutions, none of which proved MJ did shit.
And from what I remember, Polanskis' lawyers were working out a plea deal where he would've done little time if he pled guilty, but the judge wanted to sentence him to much more time. That's one reason he ran to France.
That's why that scumbag fled. He would have otherwise had to do time. What a pussy. He admitted to the crime, but was just so special he didn't have to do the time.
 
I don't know how else those kids knew what his dick and birthmarks looked like.
They didn't. What the described wasn't true and Michael had to be strip searched and his penis presented to a jury to prove they were wrong. Which is why that criminal case was dismissed.
"jew me, sue me"

"Kick me, kike me"

I can't unhear it, does he really say those things?
Yes. Yes he did. MJ was based.



Im aware he's a cow on here but Raz0rfist has a four part video series on his channel going through all of the cases with the information available to the public that proves MJ's innocence fairly well. Debunks the claims, details what was incorrect in the media, and why Sony may have sabotaged him. People may not know, but MJ was on tour when the first suit hit. Sony told him to settle it. Whatever he needed to pay to make it go away he made more than that from one performance on the tour, for Sony it's a no brainer. Pay this to go away and keep making money. It meant that people assumed he was guilty which is why he paid which is what most people associate settling with. Which opened him up to more money grabs.
 
So bring the fire, bitch, bring the fire. None of it was ever brought in two criminal prosecutions, none of which proved MJ did shit.
So corny. OJ Simpson was also found not guilty. The standards of the American justice system are high for a reason and jury trials are weird. I can still look at the things Michael Jackson freely admitted to doing, was filmed doing, and intuit that the man had an unhealthy relationship with children. As Chris Rock said, "Another kid? That's how much we love Michael, we let the first kid slide."
 
I imagine the likely reason why the sequel didn't get any attention is because after the first movie the director decided to make a J6 Documentary pushing the narrative and trying to make the politicians look like heroes and then made another documentary crying about Alex Jones.
Neither of these documentaries caught any steam and when you piss off half of your audience you lose a large number of people watching.
 
A gargantuan amount of smoke for there to be no fire. Most likely the consequence of horrific childhood abuse at the hands of his father. He's a tragic figure. Utterly unmatched musically.
This. It's now unproveable whether he ever actually touched a kid, but as he himself said repeatedly he shared his bed with children. The fact that he genuinely believed there was nothing wrong with it and wouldn't stfu about it despite it utterly ruining his life tends to make me believe nothing sexual actually happened. However that's still a big fucking problem, there's a reason even parents shouldn't share beds with their kids at a certain age, at a point it's clearly fulfilling an emotional need for the adult while being detrimental to the kid.
His accusers tend to sound like scorned lovers when they talk about him, it's unsurprising it fucked with their head having an intense (albeit platonic) relationship with him that terminated unceremoniously. It's complicated however by the fact that MJ's gauge for social skills was on the moon and I'd even argue he clearly had impaired capacity at times.

In the end there's no real resolution to this mess. Especially when the parents, who are 100% as responsible as MJ was, have somehow got out of it scot-free. The parents guaranteed this will never be settled by repeatedly impeaching themselves and the kids by lying about what happened to save their own ass.
 
They are. The boys were probably molested, but their fame-chasing greedy families all but pimped them out to Jackson.

He had a bunch of boys coming to Neverland for sleepovers, whose mothers were all too happy to have them sleeping in a bedroom with a famous rich man. It seems implausible that this was innocent for a middle aged man. But some parents will do anything for fame.

This is what it comes down to for me. Has there ever been a middle aged man who went out of his way to sleep with kids and didn't diddle them?

"But Michael was different!"
 
This. It's now unproveable whether he ever actually touched a kid, but as he himself said repeatedly he shared his bed with children. The fact that he genuinely believed there was nothing wrong with it and wouldn't stfu about it despite it utterly ruining his life tends to make me believe nothing sexual actually happened. However that's still a big fucking problem, there's a reason even parents shouldn't share beds with their kids at a certain age, at a point it's clearly fulfilling an emotional need for the adult while being detrimental to the kid.
His accusers tend to sound like scorned lovers when they talk about him, it's unsurprising it fucked with their head having an intense (albeit platonic) relationship with him that terminated unceremoniously. It's complicated however by the fact that MJ's gauge for social skills was on the moon and I'd even argue he clearly had impaired capacity at times.

In the end there's no real resolution to this mess. Especially when the parents, who are 100% as responsible as MJ was, have somehow got out of it scot-free. The parents guaranteed this will never be settled by repeatedly impeaching themselves and the kids by lying about what happened to save their own ass.
I agree.

My take is:
MJ, who had shitty childhood and infinite money, wanted to get back what had been taken from him and used his infinite money to try to recreate his childhood but less shitty. He wanted to experience an innocent youth and could only find that with children. I think he created Neverland because he wanted to see children having fun and to live vicariously through them, but that wasn't enough and he wanted to be a kid again.

So I think he DEFINTIELY behaved inappropriately with children, but I don't think he molested them or was physically close with them for sexual gratification, just out of being lonely, unhappy, and trying to get back to the only time in his life he remembered being truly happy. He wanted real friends who like HIM and not just "Micheal Jackson", and I think that's why he Macaulay Culkin became so close. I also think inaddition to not being pimped out to MJ by his parents I think Culkin from his time in hollywood was better at establishing clear boundaries with adults so MJ never got out of pocket with him.
MJ was just weird and rich with a reduced sense of appropriate boundaries.
The parents are the real pieces of shit, I think in at least one of the cases the parents coached their kid to be a bussy hoping for a big payout.

tl;dr: I don't think MJ fucked boys, but I think any parent who sent their kid by themeselves to visit with the crazy minstrel man should have been locked up.
 
So corny. OJ Simpson was also found not guilty. The standards of the American justice system are high for a reason and jury trials are weird. I can still look at the things Michael Jackson freely admitted to doing, was filmed doing, and intuit that the man had an unhealthy relationship with children. As Chris Rock said, "Another kid? That's how much we love Michael, we let the first kid slide."
I'm not too familiar with OJ's case, but I'm pretty sure there wasn't an audio recording of someone stating outright that they planned to falsely accuse him of a heinous crime.
No, he wasn't. He was a drug addict and a weirdo, even if he was innocent.
He was extremely trusting and generous. Michael was completely broken in his final years as a result of the allegations and decades of being used and exploited by those close to him.
This is what it comes down to for me. Has there ever been a middle aged man who went out of his way to sleep with kids and didn't diddle them?

"But Michael was different!"
Again, he didn't sleep with any kids. MJ's bedroom was larger than most people's houses. It was 2 stories and had 3 bathrooms. It was massive. During one instance where a kid insisted on sleeping in his room, Michael had his bodyguard stay in the room with them and the two men slept on the floor while the kid slept in the bed.

It's really disturbing how desperately people want Michael to have been a pedophile. He wasn't.
 
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