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while everyone was busy with the Tariff's another Dem judge of out San Francisco stopped Noem's order stripping 600K of Biden's imported Venezuelans of their temporary protected status.

He's ordered a stay on any attempts to deport them because "her actions were unauthorized, unreasonable and capricious and based on a negative sterotype" Wow, nice going there judge calling the Sec of Homeland basicly a racists who is crazy.

So this judge is basically saying he knows better then the duly appointed Sectary of Homeland Security. So once against a Dem judge is placing himself above the executive by saying he knows what better.

And of course it's another TRO so any moves to changes the protected status or deport these obviously great citizens of Venezuela is now on hold wile the DoJ fights yet another Democrat Judge trying to keep illegal aliens and criminals in the US.

That's around 600,000 Venezuelans brought in by Biden in 2022 btw. The judge's order protects each and everyone of them.

The judge, an appointee of Democratic President Barack Obama, also said both Noem and Trump had made discriminatory public statements about Venezuelan TPS holders by implying they were criminals and posed a financial burden.
"Generalization of criminality to the Venezuelan TPS population as a whole is baseless and smacks of racism predicated on generalized false stereotypes," Chen wrote, adding that Venezuelan TPS holders were more likely to hold bachelor's degrees than U.S. citizens and less likely to commit crimes than the general U.S. population. Noem's actions smack of racism and discrimination towards a class of people.



https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ju...portation-protections-venezuelans-2025-03-31/
 
All the dumbest people I know irl are freaking out of the tarrifs so they're probably the right call.
the dumbest people in the thread are also freaking out. one guy has literally said "maybe if you weren't so poor you'd understand economics better." and HHH had the incredible take of "just tax businesses at 90%, they'll never leave." as well as "they won't pass any cost increases from corporate taxation increases onto the consumer through price hikes or new fees, but they will from tariffs!" even though corporations have demonstrably increased cost for customers at ANY increase in the cost of doing business at all. any excuse is a good one.
 
you mean poor people won't be able to waste their money on single-use plastic bullshit from temu and amazon anymore? they might actually have to save and buy a quality item that fulfills the purpose they need, or make a decision if the purchase matches up with their needs at all? oh my god, how horrible! people will have to budget their money! grow the fuck up and learn what it means to tighten your belt, or just not have every single piece of garbage you think you need to make your consoomer life better.
There's a lot more than just finished consumer goods imported from China. You can't just flip a switch and reroute supply chains or expand domestic production, it takes time and investment as well as the labor force to make it possible.

Telling people to just shut up and suffer is a great way to cause massive civil unrest and political backlash. Why should the poor and middle classes suffer while the wealthy got away with the largest upward transfer of wealth in history? Why are we raising taxes on them and not the wealthiest Americans?
 
He's remembered for that, and also Tyler
I usually hear it told as a backstory to his presidency instead of as the main course.

Tyler is also more interesting for his life outside of his presidency. Did annex Texas, but is the only US President to be buried under a foreign flag: the Confederate one, as he was a confederate congressman after his presidency and died during the War.
 
while everyone was busy with the Tariff's another Dem judge of out San Francisco stopped Noem's order stripping 600K of Biden's imported Venezuelans of their temporary protected status.

He's ordered a stay on any attempts to deport them because "her actions were unauthorized, unreasonable and capricious and based on a negative sterotype" Wow, nice going there judge calling the Sec of Homeland basicly a racists who is crazy.

So this judge is basically saying he knows better then the duly appointed Sectary of Homeland Security. So once against a Dem judge is placing himself above the executive by saying he knows what better.

And of course it's another TRO so any moves to changes the protected status or deport these obviously great citizens of Venezuela is now on hold wile the DoJ fights yet another Democrat Judge trying to keep illegal aliens and criminals in the US.

That's around 600,000 Venezuelans brought in by Biden in 2022 btw. The judge's order protects each and everyone of them.

The judge, an appointee of Democratic President Barack Obama, also said both Noem and Trump had made discriminatory public statements about Venezuelan TPS holders by implying they were criminals and posed a financial burden.
"Generalization of criminality to the Venezuelan TPS population as a whole is baseless and smacks of racism predicated on generalized false stereotypes," Chen wrote, adding that Venezuelan TPS holders were more likely to hold bachelor's degrees than U.S. citizens and less likely to commit crimes than the general U.S. population. Noem's actions smack of racism and discrimination towards a class of people.



https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ju...portation-protections-venezuelans-2025-03-31/
They'll ignore it and deport them still, right? Please?
 
Is it really worth pages and pages and pages of shit flinging for this gotcha?
Yes, if only because it should solidify(if they didn't already know) in most people's heads he has no idea what he's talking about and it wasn't really that many pages because he ran away after people started pointing out how retarded it was.
 
NO MY NUMBER MUST GO UP NOW NOW NOW

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Remember, all of this is the fault of the boomers promising themselves that they would have exorbitant lives of luxury and fuck them kids, they can just pull themselves up by the bootstraps like they did.
(Said boomers then sold said bootstraps for $5 to the Chinese and then wasted it all on a trip to Vegas.)

But it doesn't matter, because the boomers WERE promised to live lives of unparalleled luxury forever, even though the boomers promised the boomers that lifestyle, they WILL demand that we all uphold the promise, that the line will forever go up, even if that means you have to live in bugman hives competing with a bunch of stupid smelly Pajeets for who will work the hardest for the least amount of pay, all so your neighbor's grandparents can go on worldwide cruises 2-3 times a year for the rest of their lives while sitting on 3 houses they won't leave their children (and have already reverse mortgaged so they'd have more money to play with).

I once heard the observation that eventually, even though corporations are intentionally retarding the development of culture (pop culture and otherwise) because the current culture is "safe" and they know how to sell it, that someday people are just not going to give a shit about 80s and 90s movies, comics, cartoons, etc anymore -- and when that happens, the Gen Xers and Millennials are going to come absolutely fucking unglued.

I have to wonder if we're about to hit the same kind of point with the Boomers. "WE don't GIVE a shit about your fucking line going up, I had an advertisement to finance a fucking burrito yesterday on my phone and I refuse to live like this so you can go on yet another cross country trip."

(For real fun, imagine when we as a culture reach this point with Israel.)
 
There's a lot more than just finished consumer goods imported from China. You can't just flip a switch and reroute supply chains or expand domestic production, it takes time and investment as well as the labor force to make it possible.

Telling people to just shut up and suffer is a great way to cause massive civil unrest and political backlash. Why should the poor and middle classes suffer while the wealthy got away with the largest upward transfer of wealth in history? Why are we raising taxes on them and not the wealthiest Americans?
it does take time and investment to make it happen. which is why trump has been saying that, and why we're saying that we're all okay with it taking time and investment. i agree that the poor shouldn't suffer while the wealthy get wealthier, which is why it's funny for people to say in one breath "This is only going to benefit the wealthy!" and in the other breath, say "The people who own the vast majority of stock, the wealthy, are going to suffer massively from these tariffs!"
there is cognitive dissonance that multiple people trying to engage on this from the pro-stock market point of view just cannot seem to grasp; most people are not going to see price increases from the tariffs in the way you believe they will and as you yourself say, it will take time and investment and the US labor force to make it possible.

nothing that trump is doing now was going to be an easy thing to do. no one claimed it would be. at the very least i and many others in the thread have said that we understand things might have a small price increase, we understand why, and we understand the purpose of it. no one is trying to say tariffs are a perfect solution. there is no perfect solution, but the other option is to continue doing nothing, let 'line go up', and median incomes continue to suffer from inflation, and do nothing about it. so far, no one in the thread has even proposed any solution to the middle class and lower class's wage issues, it's all about the stocks and how it affects "me me me" in the case of these stockbrained morons. "i want line to go up forever, fuck all the poors who suffer because of chinese scam bullshit, fuck all the farmers who have to have subsidies because we import different foods." it's just retarded to think that the lowest classes will suffer when it is demonstrably the highest class who is suffering right now.
 
the dumbest people in the thread are also freaking out. one guy has literally said "maybe if you weren't so poor you'd understand economics better." and HHH had the incredible take of "just tax businesses at 90%, they'll never leave." as well as "they won't pass any cost increases from corporate taxation increases onto the consumer through price hikes or new fees, but they will from tariffs!" even though corporations have demonstrably increased cost for customers at ANY increase in the cost of doing business at all. any excuse is a good one.
This is one of those things where, if the public had any understanding of economics at all (and more importantly, a willingness/humility to actually listen) they’d get it. A change in the cost of production is always partially passed along. Partially. For that to not be the case the producer or consumer has to be literally unable to change their own level of production/consumption.
 
I don't agree. We're already paying out the ass in groceries
Are you really incapable of figuring out how paying 25% more for everything, with wages staying the same, is going to hurt?
For the last four years, I've been told that the economy was all sunshine and blowjobs, and that I was just hallucinating my grocery bill doubling in size. We we even gaslight that inflation is a good thing, and that we damn dirty peasants didn't appreciate the shit being served on our plates.

NOW the Experts™️ care about inflation and the kitchen tables of the peons?
Of course they don't. They just want something to blame on Bad Orange Man.

The Weimarican Dollar is a fact of life now. What's a little more from tariffs? Can't hurt me, I'm already in incurable pain.
If you really wanted to fix the shit that Trump was saying he wanted to fix, increase corporate tax rates to what they were in the 50s
Good luck. The ship for that sailed decades ago. Even the most progressive of electable Democrats are slaves to Big Business.
 
This is one of those things where, if the public had any understanding of economics at all (and more importantly, a willingness/humility to actually listen) they’d get it. A change in the cost of production is always partially passed along. Partially. For that to not be the case the producer or consumer has to be literally unable to change their own level of production/consumption.
it's obvious that you can see these people like spinning marlboro man do not actually understand economics, and are just pretending to have any knowledge of the situation at all, because the guy was agreeing yesterday that tariffs are just 'worse subsidies'. they literally do not understand the very basic concepts we're discussing in the thread, and they think they do. dunning-kruger is probably at its absolute peak in this thread, across the whole site. people become sudden experts in shit they have NO idea about.

are statistics about black crime bullshit?
yes, they're obviously much higher but a lot of black crime simply isn't reported at all, especially in bughives like LA, SA, DC, and NYC.
 
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