Argue with a Jew and an Anti-Jew about sandwitches, morality, and judaism.

Judaism was founded at Javneh around 80 AD. Sabbatai Zevi founded his reformation in 1648. Jacob Frank founded his denomination of that religion in 1755. Both still exist and both very clearly still move through jewry. The easiest way I've found to describe the relationship to normies is Frankists are to jews what jews are to gentiles - parasitic, subversive, denied, and protected all at once, like a mafia within a mafia.
i don't think there is much a distinction between sabbateans and frankists, maybe there is in some lutheran/methodist type doctrinal beef but to an outside observer they're basically identical. And we're also dealing with a level of crypto-jewry so advanced that the vast majority of them don't even understand that we're whittling it down past "jewry" into something more precise, it's not like there's a doctrine or any set of text to refer to like protestants have, there's little more than vague hueristics and observation.

and because it's so vague it's easy to dismiss as fake or some kind of collective fiction... but lest i remind us that it's the same kind of collective fiction that evangelicism and the chabad movement relies on to proselytize.

those that built these things knew what they wrought - do not mistake their intent
 
jesus debacle was such a big deal that it caused a jewish revolt in jerusalem and got the romans to send soldiers to invade it and raze it to the ground, destroying the second temple, rendering the jewish people in a state of displacement for the next 2000 years.
the second temple was destroyed in response to a Jewish revolt that had nothing to do with Jesus

How much did zionism change about the jewish faith that you aren't even aware of?
modern zionism is maybe 130 years old, we have plenty of older documents that talk about the yearning to return to Jerusalem and Israel. This is stupid.
 
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the second temple was destroyed in response to a Jewish revolt that had nothing to do with Jesus


modern zionism is maybe 130 years old, we have plenty of older documents that talk about the yearning to return to Jerusalem and Israel. This is stupid.
Of course they yearn for israel, because to yearn is the fundamental nature of the jew. That's the moral of the exodus story in the bible and generally the whole framework of interpretation for the noahide laws and kashrut. Jews are god's chosen people, they have a great responsibility that others do not carry, and that responsibility is difficult and generally kind of pointless - but its pretending its not pointless that kind of maintains the whole collective fiction of the jewish people. This isn't some theory i cooked up based on some shit i read on twitter, this is the historical material reality of the jewish people.

But to stop yearning and to take action runs against every value system as presented - unless you're a sabbatean occultist and you view that system of value something as something to subvert. I mean, fundamentally, the jewish enlightenment was an attempt to come up with an answer for the thing i'm pointing out that's very uncomfortable, and i dont think any extant factions came up with an answer that anyone is really actually content with - hassidism is insane, zionism is contradictory, and secular judaism is pointless.
 
hey yearn for israel, because to yearn is the fundamental nature of the jew.
also stupid because we had the first and second temples for collectively 800 years and those were times where there was nothing to yearn for

But to stop yearning and to take action runs against every value system as presented
no it doesnt, zionism is about taking action

hassidism is insane
you have no idea what hasidus is, you thought that hasidus was equivalent to the 95 theses

zionism is contradictory
Jewish state in their historical homeland where they rule themselves, nothing contradictory about that

secular judaism is pointless
happen to agree
 
also stupid because we had the first and second temples for collectively 800 years and those were times where there was nothing to yearn for


no it doesnt, zionism is about taking action


you have no idea what hasidus is, you thought that hasidus was equivalent to the 95 theses


Jewish state in their historical homeland where they rule themselves, nothing contradictory about that


happen to agree

the relativistic posturing doesn't work when the discussion has been entirely framed within a materialist framework, we're discussing a group of people as they existed through time and the factors that led to them evolving. the attempt to reframe a fundamentally passive belief system as pro-active is precisely what the sabbateans were doing.

i said this before but it's obvious that you aren't even aware how charged your position is. Zionism is about taking action? my friend - the jews are god's chosen people. They don't choose their own destiny, god chose it for them. That's why they're chosen. What else did you think it meant, that whatever jews do is automatically what god wants?
 
i know you're an inbred hick and can't really think much besides baby penises due to your pedophilic obsession with them.
Yet you're the one whose culture places a massive importance on sucking baby dicks after mutilating them. In fact, isn't it one of your most important rituals? Weird how in your mind, a variety of cultures throughout the world pointing out how disgusting you are as a culture due to your fixation on mutilating and sucking baby dicks qualifies as being pedophiles and obsessed but actually doing it on a daily basis doesn't 😂 typical kike deflection.

Also a Jew calling anyone inbred when your people are comprised of such beauties as Allen Ginsberg (open pedophile) and Ruth Bader Ginsberg (whose legacy is advocating to murder babies en masse) is the height of irony. Don't even try to say Allen Ginsberg doesn't count as a Jew because he was secular you snakey foreskinless faggot
 
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Yet you're the one whose culture places a massive importance on sucking baby dicks after mutilating them.
bones got so buck broken that he made an alt but couldnt stop himself from exposing himself by focusing on baby penis since it's his favorite thing

the attempt to reframe a fundamentally passive belief system as pro-active
absolutely retarded, Judaism values action and isn't passive. You're projecting the Christian assumption of being Saved on Judaism's chosen people concept. in Judaism, being chosen means extra responsiblity and extra obligations

. Zionism is about taking action? my friend - the jews are god's chosen people. They don't choose their own destiny, god chose it for them. That's why they're chosen. What else did you think it meant, that whatever jews do is automatically what god wants?
as i explained earlier, Zionism as a political force is not religious and doesn't focus on the chosen people concept. read my posts please
 
bones got so buck broken that he made an alt but couldnt stop himself from exposing himself by focusing on baby penis since it's his favorite thing

This argument is so weak and pathetic, I don't even have to say anything substantive. I'll just let this transparently desperate attempt at attacking my credibility speak for itself
 
absolutely retarded, Judaism values action and isn't passive. You're projecting the Christian assumption of being Saved on Judaism's chosen people concept. in Judaism, being chosen means extra responsiblity and extra obligations


as i explained earlier, Zionism as a political force is not religious and doesn't focus on the chosen people concept. read my posts please
im not a christian and it really betrays the angle you're trying to take by making that assumption. Again, you're flip flopping between relativistic posturing and taking a historical perspective on things whenever it's convenient instead of actually having a discussion. Now you're trying to argue that zionism isn't religious, which even goes as far as to contradict what you just said about secular judaism being pointless.

This is kind of a pathetic caricature of jewish behavior and you should probably do some self-reflection
 
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A jewish sandwitch is obviously one that had the bread cut off at one end, with the meat flopping out onto the table.

It also can't be pork.
A Jewish sandwich is one you are given and still find something to complain about.
Also, this Jewish lawyerfagging over retarded word definitions and other snca is the poisonous effect Jews have on the rest of society. They literally cannot stop thinking like this
Yeah jews are inbred (hmm how relatable) schizo retards, all they can do is fail to argue.
can't we wait till saturday to have this conversation?
Why would I want to wait, every catch the faggot argument is an excuse to call him a pedophile and him try to wriggle out of it. He literally thought it was about sandwiches because he's a moron.
A jewish sandwich is one with brisket in it.
A Jewish sandwich is when you drop a quarter in Brooklyn
As we all know, the chicken tendie dipped on honey mustard is the best sandwich
Hell yeah brother
i don't think there is much a distinction between sabbateans and frankists, maybe there is in some lutheran/methodist type doctrinal beef but to an outside observer they're basically identical.
Frankists are just a continuance of Zevis ideology, and also an admission of jews and Muslims working hand in hand like they've always done. Remember they believe it's easier to make everyone on earth into the worst version of themselves than the best.
it's not like there's a doctrine or any set of text to refer to like protestants have, there's little more than vague hueristics and observation.
What's the Talmud say about if people read it they'd rightfully kill all jews?
no it doesnt, zionism is about taking action
When do you take action instead of sitting in Brooklyn posting on the internet exactly?
What else did you think it meant, that whatever jews do is automatically what god wants?
Hes a hassidic megajew, he does whatever his Rabbi tell him to do.
bones got so buck broken that he made an alt but couldnt stop himself from exposing himself by focusing on baby penis since it's his favorite thing
It's funny that you think you could ever make me cower when I make you do it every conversation. Just look at all the questions you avoid because you know any statement damns you forever. You are weak, from a weak people, with nothing to show for it. You literally crawl in sewers and filth.
absolutely retarded, Judaism values action and isn't passive.
So when do you take action against jews who suck baby dicks? Oh wait you said they are your friends. Hmm.
stop obsessing over baby penis pedophile
Lol, stop ignoring all your pedophile best friends bro.
This is kind of a pathetic caricature of jewish behavior and you should probably do some self-reflection
His idea of action is reading the Talmud and posting about politics on the internet and losing every argument he's ever attempted. He is a pathetic characature of a human.
 
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Now you're trying to argue that zionism isn't religious,
Pick up a book sometime. Zionism as a political philosophy was founded by atheists and implemented by atheists. This is incredibly basic.


This is kind of a pathetic caricature of jewish behavior and you should probably do some self-reflection
You should probably read about what you're talking about and read my points instead of making stuff up in your head
 
It's funny that you think you could ever make me cower when I make you do it every conversatio
I made you admit that a fried chicken drumstick is a sandwich, you've been buck broken to an incredible degree where you engaged in the worst kind of pilpul instead of common sense and you still come out claiming you won
 
I made you admit that a fried chicken drumstick is a sandwich, you've been buck broken to an incredible degree where you engaged in the worst kind of pilpul instead of common sense and you still come out claiming you won
It literally is a sandwich you dumb fuck, what do you think bread is? Bread doesn't stop being bread because of an arbitrary Jewish distinction. I know you have trouble with logic being a retarded inbred (there it is again) jew. This is why you are a coward hiding in Brooklyn surrounded by pedophiles and niggers because you love both more than god.
 
It literally is a sandwich you dumb fuck, what do you think bread is?
You obviously have never cooked for yourself otherwise you would know that fried chicken drumsticks are cooked in a flour/spices mixture, no bread involved. Is tempura sushi now a sandwich too?

Your argument has a tiny bit of hold initially for breaded fried chicken cutlets until we look at the definition of bread but there's no fucking bread to speak of in most fried foods including the ones you claim are sandwiches
 
You obviously have never cooked for yourself otherwise you would know that fried chicken drumsticks are cooked in a flour/spices mixture, no bread involved. Is tempura sushi now a sandwich too?
Lol. You keep kosher you fucking nigger. Directly contradicting God in Genesis. You can't even keep yourself straight, must be all the baby dicks you suck. Yes fried bread is bread. You make a distinction when there is none. You do know frying is a form of cooking right? You have the culinary skills of a child and the mind of one too.
Your argument has a tiny bit of hold initially for breaded fried chicken cutlets until we look at the definition of bread but there's no fucking bread to speak of in most fried foods including the ones you claim are sandwiches
My argument is fool proof because only a fool can see a flaw. Bread is bread. The end.

"Guys cooking flour makes bread unless you cook it someway else then it's not bread any more despite literally being called breading."
 
Pick up a book sometime. Zionism as a political philosophy was founded by atheists and implemented by atheists. This is incredibly basic.

You should probably read about what you're talking about and read my points instead of making stuff up in your head
It's very difficult to create a stable world view where a jew is an atheist. That's a very difficult world view to have. So they don't believe on god, but they're still a jew? They believe themselves to be a member of a group whose entire society and culture is built on something that they admit is not real?

I mean, you can say that "jew" refers to an ethnic group and does not refer to a religion, but then everything you said in this discussion gets thrown in the garbage because you've decided to play semantic hardball. you're trying to force the discussion to go in the direction you want, even though none of the premises really align with the goal that you're trying to achieve and the further you dig the more contradictions you unearth.

this is pretty much exactly the sabbatean occultist bullshit i was talking about, and it's very funny because at the beginning of this thread i as under the impression that you weren't just going to be some kind of retarded jew automaton that couldn't even put two non-contradictory phrases together
 
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