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I think the clickbait is more in the headlines and they feel chintzy for using Ai text to speech instead of owning their irl Chinese accents.

But for example, the epoch times is Falun Gong, and they’re a decent quality outlet.

Unless you can filter the pro CCP bias from major networks, those channels’ having bias is counterweight. I mean I agree that when claims seem sensational, you should look for evidence that backs them up.

The problem that I see is that the majority of Americans UNDERestimate how bad the CCP is because the people who want to continue the current trade balance are the big money corporations that pay for legacy news to continue being broadcast while it most likely loses money. So they don’t mention shit like tofu dreg construction, or how China, who exports fentanyl precursors to Mexican cartels, has the death penalty for domestic drug dealers.

But when you watch those channels and something is stated as a fact, and you check and find out that yeah, it’s a fact, then it’s ok that it’s a fact

I don't disagree with some of what you're saying, but it must be emphasised that Falun Gong propaganda does not make it any less bad than the CPC's propaganda is. In fact, I'd argue that CPC propaganda is generally quite easy to detect to an average English-speaking audience. Unless you're a complete and total smooth-brained retard, you'll always pick up on the fact that CGTN, Xinhua, China Daily, and so on are operated by the Communist Party. There are far too many tells: bad production quality (i.e. shitty audio mixing, colour balance being way off, obvious usage of green screen, obvious redubbing, etc), a white monkey host (usually an older American, Briton, or Aussie, sometimes from a non-English European country), extremely verbose phrases that the host must say verbatim that don't flow well in English at all, constant glowing mentions to the latest thoughts or deeds of Xi Jinping, the list goes on and on.

Falun Gong media like China Observer, China Insights, China Deep Dive, and the litany of other anti-CPC channels I get recommended on a daily basis via the omniscient algorthims, are far more insidious. Most Americans, even some Europeans, are distrustful of Western mass media and for good reason. What is often the case is that when they get first exposure to a Falun Gong outlet, they're introduced to a ton of information that they otherwise weren't privy to beforehand. Unless you're into pseudo-intellectual/semi-informational content like Wendover Productions or Polymatter or a short-form geopolitical podcast like The History of Everything, most of average Westerners wouldn't know about tofu dreg construction, the proliferation of debt to fuel real estate and infrastructure developments, Han Chinese boomers acting like complete jerks overseas, human trafficking being omnipresent, etc.

Given that "taste" of seemingly forbidden or otherwise silenced news coverage with what happens in China, combined with a seemingly polished veneer of legitimacy, many people who flock to outlets like China Observer, China Insights, China Deep Dive, China Uncensored, and so on will generally develop a sort of "halo effect" to the Falun Gong media. It's not always easy to discern what is true and what's merely conjecture from those videos. Have you ever noticed how those outlets will rip videos taken from Douyin, Weibo, or other such Chinese platforms without necessarily crediting people? If there's a natural disaster that they're covering, have you ever noticed how there's dramatised music playing over the disaster footage they air half the time? What about the exclusively positive coverage they give Falun Gong and their leader Li Hongzhi? Most people who consume content from these outlets will only ever know about Falun Gong as that new religious movement where they preach Truth, Compassion, and Forebearance and that Li Hongzhi left the country after his movement got banned. They don't know a single iota about the very real controversies that Falun Gong has surrounding them.

They're more than just a kooky new religious movement with odd beliefs that plaster Shen Yun posters everywhere they go; they're an outright cult. Shen Yun relies heavily on coercive volunteer labour from their adherents, as do most of their media outlets. Li Hongzhi developed a cult of personality around himself, and lives a lavish lifestyle in a private villa in Upstate New York. Their beliefs centre around basic Qigong exercises that supposedly cultivate a powerful life energy that makes their organs healthier than others. That's why they reject Western medicines and surgeries altogether, often dying of preventable ailments in a vein not too dissimilar to Christian Scientists. Falun Gong-sponsored protests will constantly discuss the Communist Party harvesting the organs of Falun Gong practitioners. Granted, the Communist Party did admit to harvesting organs of death row inmates and there are NGOs like Amnesty International who corrobrate as much. There is a precedent for CPC-sponsored organ harvesting, but Falun Gong will harp about organ harvesting happening to them specifically like there's no tomorrow. Oh, and last but not least, Li Hongzhi views his followers as expendable considering how 4 Falun Gong practitioners immolated themselves in Tiananmen Square back in 2001. When they got caught and the mainland Chinese press attributed it to Falun Gong, Li Hongzhi disavowed them.

Hatred of the communists does not always mean that the most prolific voices against them should be our allies. The Unification Church in Korea did something similar before they got outed as a cult run by charlatans. Further backing up this comparison is how the Unification Church runs the Washington Times, a broadly conservative-aligned Western media outlet not too divorced from The Epoch Times. Obviously, the Moonies and Falun Gong are different entities from different contexts (i.e. one is Korean the other is Chinese), but they're eerily parallel in terms of the ideological capture they've cultivated among audiences that enjoy alternative media.
 
The idea that there is a lack of skilled workers in America is silly. Most White male gamers could be trained in a technical cert in months. There could be 10 million more machine operators in 3 months if the powers-that-be wanted. If WW3 started with China and we needed maximum drone production, every basement gamer would be certified and working a job in the supply chain.

If you want more engineers (mechanical, chemical, electrical, etc) just give every gamer the equivalent of an IQ test and offer a free accelerated degree if you're smart enough. Cut out all the "general education" and liberal arts requirements (or make them interesting; like a good Ancient Rome podcast). Tailor the learning to look like a tech-tree unlocked by tangible progress. Let them grind a skillset by repeatedly failing (this is how gamers get better at games). Don't have artificial semesters or beaurocracy. You'd have 1 million more engineers in a year or two.

This depressing slump always happens at the end of the 80 year cycle. When the geriatrics loose their lich-like grip there will be a tipping point and a chain reaction of events will bring about an "economic miracle". Mostly, the "miracle" is getting all the gatekeepers out of they way. And being willing to radically change systems while using the newest technology.
 
Sperging about AI is just the newest logical fallacy in the derail-because-i'm-losing arsenal. Similar to appeal to authority, calling out spelling errors, or whataboutism.
No, he has a valid point about pasting in AI answers. They're not reliable and will make something up if they don't know. An article or verified list of "largest X in the world" is fine but "my AI says this list is right," is something people are correct to be sceptical of. I had one get some maths wrong the other day.
 
Most White male gamers could be trained in a technical cert in months. There could be 10 million more machine operators in 3 months if the powers-that-be wanted.
How do you get them to quit whatever it is they're doing now to feed themselves? There simply aren't millions of Americans waiting for that call to go work at a factory and there won't be until the economy becomes catastrophically worse.
 
Grok can't call someone a niggerfaggot.
Can google?
What is often the case is that when they get first exposure to a Falun Gong outlet, they're introduced to a ton of information that they otherwise weren't privy to beforehand. Unless you're into pseudo-intellectual/semi-informational content like Wendover Productions or Polymatter or a short-form geopolitical podcast like The History of Everything, most of average Westerners wouldn't know about tofu dreg construction, the proliferation of debt to fuel real estate and infrastructure developments, Han Chinese boomers acting like complete jerks overseas, human trafficking being omnipresent, etc.
Right, so all of that stuff is good to know, and once you’re introduced to the idea, you can do your fact checking to your hearts content, but the great firewall is the main impediment

Wendover is cool. I wish they published more often. I also like Task and Purpose, and while Cappy was a relatable dude, maybe it’s not the worst thing that he’s moving on after getting too personally involved with Ukraine

As far as organ harvesting, I’m pretty sure China still does it. They just performed a simultaneous heart AND liver transplant for some pop singer and it’s a good question to ask, how they came up with a matching heart and liver at the same time after such a short wait. Probably because when they’re executing someone anyways, they harvest the organs. So I’m not really bothered by the Falun Gong dudes feeling sorry for themselves and most of it has a factual predicate with maybe some rhetorical weight pushing this way or that, which is standard for 100% of western media
 
No, he has a valid point about pasting in AI answers. They're not reliable and will make something up if they don't know. An article or verified list of "largest X in the world" is fine but "my AI says this list is right," is something people are correct to be sceptical of. I had one get some maths wrong the other day.
Is it a better idea to do whatever you want to come up with an alternative list and say “whoa haha buddy, you’re wrong and this is how,” or to make an argument that IS a logical fallacy because in this case my list is correct, so you’re attacking a strawman hypothetical?
How do you get them to quit whatever it is they're doing now to feed themselves? There simply aren't millions of Americans waiting for that call to go work at a factory and there won't be until the economy becomes catastrophically worse.
Tell them that the median wage in manufacturing is $8/hour higher than retail, gives you the same shift consistently, plus paid vacation and employer sponsored healthcare, and a lot of the time you can sit down while you do it
 
I'm not contesting that, I'm just saying we're getting a lot of people lately who treat AI like it's an infallible tool that'll give them all the info they'll need or even let it write their posts. At that point why even have people post? We can just have grok run all our accounts.
AI scarry and will take your pencil neck job, got it
 
Most White male gamers could be trained in a technical cert in months.
Most gamers in general are incapable of getting through the day without saying the nigger word.

Also, we tried this "train the country to have jobs" thing before. It was called the Great Society program and it failed. It's a chicken or the egg argument. Which comes first: the trained workers or the jobs?

I do agree that the economy will likely improve when the Boomers finally croak and stop holding onto every single upper-management position until they're 90 years old.
 
Tell them that the median wage in manufacturing is $8/hour higher than retail, gives you the same shift consistently, plus paid vacation and employer sponsored healthcare, and a lot of the time you can sit down while you do it
The plan is to lie to them?

None of those things can be true if reshoring is to make economic sense.
 
The plan is to lie to them?

None of those things can be true if reshoring is to make economic sense.
Median manufacturing wage in the US is $24/hour, almost exactly the overall median wage. The median retail wage is $16/ hour

retail further fucks with people by giving people 32, 35 hour schedules, whatever is necessary to call it part time. In a lot of cases like fast food, you have to be a manager to get full time but then it comes as salary, so you’ll be expected to work 50+ hours a week

Why do you hate factories

@Hey Johnny Bravo my place right now hires fat retards off the street for $21/hour and full benefits, then makes me train them from scratch.

Sure they’ll be useless for a couple years, but well not entirely. I’ll just have to fix it when they’re making scrap
 
Could someone please ask BigJoey to refund the $1.50 he earned from yesterday's CCP shilling? I'm guessing the Chinese government is gonna need every penny they can get.
If I’ve learned anything about Chinese people from being online is that they don’t have to be paid to actively want to spread propaganda and will actively break the law (about vpns) to do so regardless of the consequences.
 
Because factories = sweatshops in their eyes. That's sadly the image they carry, despite it not being the case for a while.
I literally do most of my posting on here while I’m on the clock

Not today, but Monday through Friday. You’re not like, punitively oppressed to make it more sweaty.. it’s 2025. People watch movies on their tablet and shit while their machine is running
 
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