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I’m getting closer and closer to understanding why the bourgeoisie get overthrown

They’re so fucking unaware about anything that isn’t Bloomberg and consoom moar
Life is more than line go up. It's about actually living and not just surviving. People need jobs. Good jobs. Not bullshit jobs. Line can go down if jobs go up. That is good overall and raises happiness for the average man way up.
 
In Jewish Billionaire Pritzker news...

Gov. JB Pritzker rips Trump tariffs on first Fox News appearance, calls them ‘taxes on working families’
Chicago Tribune (archive.ph)
By Dan Petrella
2025-04-13 21:20:10GMT
Gov. JB Pritzker on Sunday used his first-ever appearance on Fox News to take his criticisms of President Donald Trump’s sweeping tariffs to the network’s conservative-leaning audience, labeling the Republican administration’s levies on imports “taxes on working families.”

Pritzker, who has made frequent national media appearances since Trump retook the White House this year, is widely viewed as a potential contender for the 2028 Democratic presidential nomination. And as “Fox News Sunday” host Shannon Bream noted in the morning show interview, the billionaire governor has taken a more aggressive approach to criticizing the president than other Democratic governors who are also frequently mentioned in those conversations, including Michigan’s Gretchen Whitmer and California’s Gavin Newsom.

Illinois’ two-term Democratic governor wasn’t asked directly about his presidential aspirations, and he sidestepped a question about a Fox News poll that showed majority support for GOP positions on issues such as bans on transgender athletes, deportation of immigrants in the U.S. without legal permission and increased domestic oil production.

Instead, the American people “want affordability to go up,” Pritzker said when asked whether Democrats are out of step with voters. “They want their costs to go down when they go to the grocery store. That’s the opposite of what this administration does. This administration says they’re for working families and then attacks working families with the biggest tax increase in U.S. history with these tariffs.”

Pritzker’s roughly 10-minute interview followed a week when Trump’s on-again, off-again tariffs roiled stock markets and left American investors, businesses and the nation’s trading partners perplexed about what the president is attempting to achieve. The governor’s Fox interview was immediately preceded on the TV program, which airs on Fox affiliates across the country, by a segment about support for tariffs in the shrimping industry in the South.

Pritzker said the potential for tariffs to help certain industries that face competitive disadvantages is “an argument for targeted tariffs.”

“But that’s not what President Trump has done,” the governor said. “He’s put massive tariffs across the board, and that’s going to affect not only the cost for average working families going to the grocery store, but it’s also going to affect the sales of crops that we grow in the state of Illinois and across the United States.”

Pushing the U.S. toward potential trade wars with some of its largest export markets is going to make it harder for highly productive Illinois farmers to sell their corn, soybeans, pork and beef, Pritzker said.

“We’ve got to focus on targeted tariffs,” he said. “Good trade policy, I might add, is really about protecting U.S. workers, making sure that we’re expanding markets overseas, and focusing on lowering costs for American families. And none of what President Trump has done really does that.”

Pritzker also pushed back on the argument that Trump’s use of tariffs is causing U.S. companies to consider building up domestic production or retain jobs here that otherwise might have gone overseas.

Some of those decisions already were being made as a result of President Joe Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act, while any possible significant increases in U.S. manufacturing and jobs as a result of steep tariffs would take years to materialize, “and we’re going to lose a lot of jobs and have a big recession in between,” Pritzker said.

Pritzker also criticized Trump for using tariffs as a way of “punishing” major allies and trading partners, including Europe, Canada and Mexico, where the governor recently completed a trade mission and signed a memorandum of understanding with the state that contains Mexico City.

“We’ve got a free trade agreement between Mexico, Canada and the United States that should be strengthened, and we should continue to use that,” Pritzker said. “It’s one that President Trump put in place, President Biden abided by during his term, and now President Trump wants to blow all that up and re-trade the very thing that he negotiated.”

Earlier in the program, Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins said Trump “is working to fix” imbalances that have hurt American producers.

“For decades, the way we have been treated in this country and especially our farmers and ranchers is absolutely stunning,” Rollins said. “We have been living under a tariff regime but it has been the regime of other countries.”

During the interview, Bream pressed Pritzker on his frequent claims that Republicans in Congress want to cut Medicaid, noting that both Trump and U.S. House Speaker Mike Johnson have said cuts to the government-run health insurance program for the poor aren’t on the table in current federal budget negotiations.

But Pritzker said the GOP’s proposed $880 billion in cuts to federal spending would not be possible without hitting Medicaid or other social safety net programs.

“There are only three places that you can find that kind of money. And those are the things that most Americans, frankly, rely upon. I mean Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security,” Pritzker said. “It’s going to really hurt working families across the United States.”

Unmentioned in the interview was the invitation Pritzker received Friday to testify before the House Oversight Committee about Illinois’ policies toward immigrants who are in the country without authorization.

Pritzker spokesman Alex Gough said last week that the governor was “evaluating whether he should take time from his busy schedule serving the people of Illinois to educate the House GOP on these matters.”

The request from Republican U.S. Rep. James Comer of Kentucky, chairman of the Oversight Committee, came about a month after Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson testified before the same committee about the city’s similar policies.

Comer said in a social media post Thursday that he also invited Democratic Govs. Tim Walz of Minnesota and Kathy Hochul of New York to testify about their states’ “sanctuary policies,” which he contended threaten safety and violate federal law.

Illinois law “is fully compliant with federal law and ensures law enforcement can focus on doing their actual jobs while empowering all members of the public — regardless of immigration status — to feel comfortable calling law enforcement to seek help, report crimes, and cooperate in investigations,” Gough said in an emailed statement, also noting that one of the Illinois laws in question was signed by Pritzker’s predecessor, Republican Gov. Bruce Rauner.
 
Found the clip that's been going arround
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It is from this interview in 2017 with Fortune global forum that took place in Guangzhou. I always hate these random clips that don't say when and where something is from
It's an interesting interview but you have to look at it's audience. He's in China a country that is completely based on face culture and bullshit. Of course he's going to fellate them while he uses them to make his iphones. I will say the very truthful part of this is the tooling is the most expensive part. In literally any manufactuering operation the key is getting your tooling setup and then having people trained. Another true aspect is the US now does lack a skilled labor force because only dumb people are in manufacturing and you should go to school and get a degree in art literacy instead.

He's not lying in this interview and he makes some good points but this is like looking at an any other piece of propaganda. Do you think he's going to go to China to a manufacturing center and say "hey we really take advantage of you dumb fucks" Obviously not. On the flip side I have years in US manufacturing so I'm equally biased. I also have years of dealing with chinesium products. We certainly don't source any tooling or designs from China, no one does really they give them the equipment and the designs and they execute them.

Chinese people tend to have fairly high IQs, there's a reason the outsourcing operations are doing so much better in Vietnam then in India. Just look at the intelligence of the workforce.
 
He does, but I don't see how that has much to do with my question.
You could even say that the full-on exempt of tariffs for certain products, like he just did, puts Trump in a bit of a weaker negotiating position, because you just lost some leverage there.

I tend to trust him because I know he's acting on knowledge that I don't have, but I'm just super confused by those blanket tariff exemptions on certain specific goods. And hoping it's only for those 90 days, and not permanently.
The tariffs were always a temporary thing. Eventually, they'll work out a backroom deal, and Trump will back off from the tariffs if he gets a concession from them.

That, and Trump's billionaire backers do NOT like the tariffs. If they walk away from him, he'll have no support, especially if Congress turns on him come next election.

The crowd that hates Russia is cozying up to China.
lmao. I love this.
To be fair, China holds Russia by the balls. If the Europeans get cozy enough with China, China can tell Russia to fuck off from Ukraine or else.

China far outclasses Russia in terms of military, tech, and money. They can, as Reagan did, outspend the Russians to the grave.

it's funny because all of them would literally collapse within a year without the USA
They only need the USA because of Russia. If China tells the Russians to fuck off and stop bothering Europe, NATO would have no use whatsoever.

Shit, if Putin didn't invade Ukraine, NATO could've died a slow, natural death.
 
He does, but I don't see how that has much to do with my question.
You could even say that the full-on exempt of tariffs for certain products, like he just did, puts Trump in a bit of a weaker negotiating position, because you just lost some leverage there.

I tend to trust him because I know he's acting on knowledge that I don't have, but I'm just super confused by those blanket tariff exemptions on certain specific goods. And hoping it's only for those 90 days, and not permanently.
To my understanding he didn't "full on exempt" anything, he paused tariffs with countries that are negotiating (carrot to show if they behave they'll get rewarded), and electronics etc were not exempted but were always intended to have a 20% tariff on them which is what they have currently.
For the former, we saw the same with Canada where they got tariff'd, they negotiated, they failed to meet what they promised, and the tariffs went back in place.

The same will happen to any countries who don't follow up with what they promise during negotiations. The pause doesn't result in less leverage, it dangles a deadline above their head.

I would imagine the different rate for electronics is to give additional time to set up deals in other countries like Vietnam, or to give time for factories to move here as Trump has been known to do for e.g. car factories when they requested additional time after being in the process of setting up their factories.

Alternatively it's to encourage factories to move here while not making shit ridiculously expensive given how important electronics are for many things (much more so than plastic chink shit, baby toys, shoes, or clothes).

Someone correct me if I'm wrong on any of this.
 
Good luck with that. Most people think marriage is a trap. And if you try to roll back on the "wins" women gained in the marriage department, you lose their votes, and you lose the election.
Repealing Roe v Wade was also impossible. Ending government support for trannies, impossible. Ending the Department of Education, impossible. Ending USAID, impossible. Offering White a south Africans a path to citizenship, impossible. Building the the wall; using the Alien Enemies Act; deporting studies and immigrants who lived here 10+ years, impossible.

You don't have to roll back women being allowed to have bank accounts and have a career. No fault divorce would still be allowed, but either both agree and split 50/50 or the sole-leaver forfeits everything (maybe up to years living expenses to be nice). Marriage infidelity is fault for divorce and would tip the scales against the cheater.

With good PR you could easily make women fight in favor of this. "Have a forever marriage"; "Cheaters don't prosper".

If housing is affordable on a single income a single mother could look forward to not working if she finds a new husband.
For all the talk conservatives[...]
I'm not "conservative", FYI. Trump isn't conservative either.

Women's voting patterns are shifting. Trannies in sports, healthier food, safer medicine, and better schools are issues they care about. "Reverse racism" at Universities is another issue they want fixed.
 
Trump isn't conservative either.
GOP has been controlled opposition for a long time, the establishment doesn't like outsiders like Trump (who really is just a 90's Dem crossed with Neo-Reagan policies). Most Americans think there are only two options politically; I saw some people earlier in the thread talking about stuff like Monarchism, Fascism, you could probably throw in Imperialism or Reactionary politics or something. Older countries with centuries of more political development than the US.

This being said, those ideologies I listed above are so far out of the scope of what most Americans consider "right wing" that they think someone is a Dem voter by default if they say they don't like the GOP/Trump Administration or criticize them in any way. Kabuki theater making red puppet and blue puppet slap fight. Interesting the common "right wing" American being befuddled by actual right wing politics.
 
Repealing Roe v Wade was also impossible. Ending government support for trannies, impossible. Ending the Department of Education, impossible. Ending USAID, impossible. Offering White a south Africans a path to citizenship, impossible. Building the the wall; using the Alien Enemies Act; deporting studies and immigrants who lived here 10+ years, impossible.
Not quite. Roe v. Wade was going to go given how most people in America are religious and don't approve of abortion. As for the rest, they could all easily come back if the next administration is Democrat, which can easily happen if the Republicans lose enough votes.

You don't have to roll back women being allowed to have bank accounts and have a career. No fault divorce would still be allowed, but either both agree and split 50/50 or the sole-leaver forfeits everything (maybe up to years living expenses to be nice). Marriage infidelity is fault for divorce and would tip the scales against the cheater.
A 50/50 split would be better, but again, marriage courts tend to rule in favor of the women-even in conservative states. Conservatives did nothing about extortionist alimony payments that got men like Robin Williams killed. Instead, conservatives are too busy trying to force men into marriage, despite how broken the system is. The conservative response to men whining about how broken the system is "suck it up, soldier, daddy needs more babies for the system!"

Roe v. Wade got overturned because it was a hot-button topic that energized people. Just like white South Africans, federal aid for trannies, etc.. Men's woes with marriage are something most conservative talking heads ignore, and if you bring it up to them, they call you a whiner.

Women's voting patterns are shifting. Trannies in sports, healthier food, safer medicine, and better schools are issues they care about. "Reverse racism" at Universities is another issue they want fixed.
Depends on the women. Conservative women, yes, liberal women, no.
 
I don't know who you were having this argument with, but it wasn't me.
It was originally me pushing back on part of @indomitable snowman ’s message, because he was talking about this video claiming China has secret special tooling and engineering and didn’t address that claim specifically. He slid it to “we’ll all those people are gone.”

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So I was pointing out that no, we don’t just not have people capable of making tooling and engineering PHONE CASES, we actually make some of the machine tools China uses.

In fact, China is the entity that needs to be caught up to speed. Maybe I wasn’t articulate and it was naive of me to expect people to be able to judge the context of what I said without being tediously walked through it


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So besides this starting some weird revolt of dipshits saying “people who use Ai should be banned!” meaning me, since I was the context, you chimed in with

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Well dude, you have to use tools to make tools, and to make tools, you have to understand what the tools need to do, so if you make tools, yeah you can probably use them. Machining is machining, in that you need or will pick up a general understanding of metal characteristics, spacial reasoning, tolerances, general practices like making sure to use clean undamaged collets and installing them free of grit on the threads, etc etc etc ad tedium

I’ve done toolmaking and machining. There’s a lot of principles that carry over, especially because even if the machines are different, you’re running cnc’s in both cases

So yeah you were over your head

Also, I’m pretty sure I’m more knowledgeable about the skill set Tim Cook is talking about than Tim Cook. Tim Cook was saying “don’t mind our revenue outflows! Line go UP!”
 
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A 50/50 split would be better, but again, marriage courts tend to rule in favor of the women-even in conservative states. Conservatives did nothing about extortionist alimony payments that got men like Robin Williams killed. Instead, conservatives are too busy trying to force men into marriage, despite how broken the system is. The conservative response to men whining about how broken the system is "suck it up, soldier, daddy needs more babies for the system!"

Roe v. Wade got overturned because it was a hot-button topic that energized people. Just like white South Africans, federal aid for trannies, etc.. Men's woes with marriage are something most conservative talking heads ignore, and if you bring it up to them, they call you a whiner.
The consequences of the sexual revolution and related Boomer divorce rates are what ultimately led to how broken things are now. As a male myself, I don't want to possibly get involved with some woman who might turn out to be abusive in private. I see how women present themselves and act in public, and I don't want to get involved with that, but apparently it's horrid if I as a man call out how I see women behaving in public. To add insult to injury, the population is starting to dip in the developed world because not many people aged 25-35 are having children.

But apparently every young male in that ten year window needs to be demonized because they won't have kids. Well they can't find work to afford those kids or own a home of their own, and they have probably grown up seeing their older male relatives get messed up by the family court system/abusive girlfriends, and they don't want to put up with that. Stepdad generally isn't an option, either, I doubt many men want to put up with someone else's baggage and dealing with what looks like a ransom handoff at a dollar store or a McDonald's every weekend thanks to custody agreements.
 
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