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AncientPhosphur said:
Back on my I want I want to like Necromunda because I enjoy small unit warfare tabletop but the whole gang warfare thing seems so… bleh for 40K mentally. Probably just my Dark Heresy playthroughs bleeding through but mentally I feel like playing as some gang bumping off rivals is so uninspiring to play. Like so what you’re offing a rival gang for a pair of space Jordans? Just as an escapist fantasy I’m held back by that.
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The best advice I can give is to start reading some of the lore. At it's most basic it is, as you say, a bunch of gangers fighting over space Jordans, but there is a lot more going on. The gangs are the pointy end of the stick for more nefarious stuff happening further up the food chain on Necromunda.

It was the lore and the setting that got me into Necromunda the first time around, and N17 is one of the few instances where GW has managed to surpass the original. If you can get hold of a copy of Salvation, that novel is a banger when it comes to laying the groundwork for the game.
 
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HTTP Error 404 said:

... Since when has there been 30 Necromunda novels? Jesus, heh.

Also apparently the Van Saar became awesome now? Some sort of secret supertech faction? I thought that was the Spryers.
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...And there aren't many duds either.

Well, the Van Saar have been hamfisting their way through an STC for a while now, which is why all of their nice toys end up making their hair and teeth fall out. Spyrers still get the best gear available, but what isn't blatant archeotech or off-world is Van Saar made.
 
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... Since when has there been 30 Necromunda novels? Jesus, heh.

Also apparently the Van Saar became awesome now? Some sort of secret supertech faction? I thought that was the Spryers.
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As I understand it;
Spryers = Necromunda nobles that put on power armor and go to the underhive to abuse poor people for fun.
Van Saar = Have a Dark Age of Technology STC core that sorta works but also sorta irradiates the hell out of them, which may or may not be the lost Votann ancestor core the Squats of Necromunda have been looking for over the last like, thousand+ years.
 
I just started reading Eisenhorn because I've seen people say it's a good place to start for 40k novels.
I like it so far, but my eyes almost fell out rolling when Eisenhorn describes the 'smell of cordite' in the air.

Why do authors do this? Eisenhorn doesn't know what cordite is or what it smells like.
hell, the author doesnt even know what it smelled like. Probably nobody currently living does. It was a gunpowder only made for like 40 years at the end of the 19th century in a very specific location in England.
By his time it literally would not have existed for over 38 thousand years.

Or is this author a secret genius and it's just fitting for the theme of 'the imperium uses a bunch of ancient tech they barely understand because muh admech?'

I have doubts
 
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Be the SM2 devs

Give the Space Wolves a chapter pack, a chapter that is widely detested and has no successors so instead you give them……… company variation colour schemes. Make the character skin hideous too. Don’t get creative and give them their HH scheme or the Wolfspears, no, just different company markings.

Give the Fists the character pack, a chapter with loads of sucessors and increasingly, their own aesthetic, usually synonymous with MKIII which the cool looking skin actually does. Then give them a skin for a plasma weapon………

Fucking brilliant.

EDIT: They finally added pink, all is forgiven.
 
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Fear&LoathinginMcDonalds said:
Or is this author a secret genius and it's just fitting for the theme of 'the imperium uses a bunch of ancient tech they barely understand because muh admech?'
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Neither. It's because GW authors, (especially for the older books) were just aping ww1, ww2, and early cold war era action and spy thriller novels. It's the same reason they're generally so shit at numbers, even in recent books not engaging with bolters until enemies running toward them are only 20 meters away(happened in one of the siege of terra books when deathguard were slowly advancing on a position held by imperial fists, white scars, and guard if I remember right), I forget which author it is that is still obsessed with space marines constantly using lapping powder on everything(if they aren't actively using it on a ship or in their room, the smell of it is definitely still described as being in the air), and so on. Even one of the recent Bequin books had an antique store with some model spacecraft with CCCP markings(they were super mysterious and no one knew what they meant) along the side as if a pile of children's toys managed to survive 38,000 years and end up halfway across the galaxy.
 
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Trying to buy minatures online recently has been horrenous thanks to US tarrifs. I'm going to need to stick to in-store only.

Ordered some from America that got discountinued and got border fee'd almost 30$ on 110$ order on top of the taxes I paid on buying. This is riduclous. Literally the cost I paid for one of them.
 
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Nurgle is love.

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p1138 said:
Neither. It's because GW authors, (especially for the older books) were just aping ww1, ww2, and early cold war era action and spy thriller novels. It's the same reason they're generally so shit at numbers, even in recent books not engaging with bolters until enemies running toward them are only 20 meters away(happened in one of the siege of terra books when deathguard were slowly advancing on a position held by imperial fists, white scars, and guard if I remember right), I forget which author it is that is still obsessed with space marines constantly using lapping powder on everything(if they aren't actively using it on a ship or in their room, the smell of it is definitely still described as being in the air), and so on. Even one of the recent Bequin books had an antique store with some model spacecraft with CCCP markings(they were super mysterious and no one knew what they meant) along the side as if a pile of children's toys managed to survive 38,000 years and end up halfway across the galaxy.
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Dan Abnett is especially guilty of the WW2 fetishizing. The Gaunt's Ghosts novels wind up hitting pretty much every single war movie trope. You've got a trench war, an airborne operation, a Blood Pact that uses halftracks, panzerschrecks, and Stahlhelms and plenty of .30 and .50 support guns among the Ghosts themselves.
 
ZMOT said:
warfleets has been updated to 2.0 last year iirc. no idea if they're working on a 3.0, but even GDF wasn't such a big jump between versions.


lot of them do already, some big names among them: https://www.onepagerules.com/opr-news?category=OPR+Compatibility
that usually includes integration in their army builder, so you all those nifty models already have stats (if you don't wanna use them for battle brother proxies).

with the website talk it's also hilarious how the OPR website shits all over TC's groomcord. everything you need is right there, including free starter with 2d models if you don't wanna 3d-print but engage in some arts & crafts.


to be fair if everything is "bigger" there's no reason the head wouldn't be too. including BSMC.

also battleborn was up to sth
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OPR doesnt have a shit website because they dont have a 3 million dollar kickstarter as a saftey net so they can keep gooning to their christian nun guro with their discord buddies, sad!
 
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Speaking of OPR, they just announced their first, I guess you'd call it a Codex? It's of their I Can't Believe it's Not Tau faction, Eternal Dynasty. (I guess they split the Tau into two factions, one an alien weeaboo faction, Eternal Dynasty, the other a communist post-scarcity faction currently suffering from the indignity of having their AI network crash leaving them stuck having to actually make decisions for themselves and work for a living, the Dao Union.)


Unlike a GW Codex, it's 83 pages of art and fiction about the Eternal Dynasty, with the rules still being separate. This is actually brilliant as it means the Codex won't be literal trash in a few years once it gets replaced with a new version with new rules. (My FLGS owner has a nice frothy rant about this if you ask him, having had to throw out a shitload of GW codexes over the years.)

Alongside the book they're releasing 4 HQ units ("Narrative Heroes") and putting everything up for really good discounts. The release coincides with the anniversary of OPR so they're also selling a stupid bundle of all ~2000 STLs they've ever put out for just under $1000 -- or just under $900 if you're a patreon and doing the early bird thing.

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This isn't counting the 10% coupon code for being a patreon supporter nor the 70% coupon code off anything not part of this special event nor the 5% coupon you get if you asked to be notified of it's launch, heh.

Looks like it's heavily inspired from Journey to the West but also Japanese stuff -- so you have a giant cyborg Sun Wukong (aka Goku from DBZ) and dragon floats from a Chinese new years celebration alongside Ninjas and Samurai. Surprised they haven't gotten canceled over it yet.
 
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HTTP Error 404 said:
Unlike a GW Codex, it's 83 pages of art and fiction about the Eternal Dynasty, with the rules still being separate. This is actually brilliant as it means the Codex won't be literal trash in a few years once it gets replaced with a new version with new rules. (My FLGS owner has a nice frothy rant about this if you ask him, having had to throw out a shitload of GW codexes over the years.)
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That's something GW should have been doing for years now. Leave the faction books as rarely updated(once a decade would be fine) coffee table books full of art, lore, whatever and just make the damned rules free. People who are interested enough will still buy it(assuming they actually print the things because GW can't seem to handle book printing for shit) and sites like wahapedia wouldn't have a reason to exist(meaning they'd be driving more traffic to their own pages).
 
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p1138 said:
That's something GW should have been doing for years now. Leave the faction books as rarely updated(once a decade would be fine) coffee table books full of art, lore, whatever and just make the damned rules free. People who are interested enough will still buy it(assuming they actually print the things because GW can't seem to handle book printing for shit) and sites like wahapedia wouldn't have a reason to exist(meaning they'd be driving more traffic to their own pages).
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Or they could release rules+lore books every 3 years and all of us will keep buying the replacements and tossing out the old ones when they deign to bother giving them to us, 90% of the way through an edition... if we don't get squatted like Deathwatch or Daemons, heh.

A shockingly large amount of GW's business model revolves around them never having to deal with competition. You'd think the Chapterhouse lawsuit would have freaked them out into some form of reforms, but it didn't.
 
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Or they could release rules+lore books every 3 years and all of us will keep buying the replacements and tossing out the old ones when they deign to bother giving them to us, 90% of the way through an edition... if we don't get squatted like Deathwatch or Daemons, heh.

A shockingly large amount of GW's business model revolves around them never having to deal with competition. You'd think the Chapterhouse lawsuit would have freaked them out into some form of reforms, but it didn't.
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There's no point, all they had to do was basically nothing after that and continue to win. Privateer Press put a light machine gun to their foot and wouldn't let go of the trigger with nothing required of GW. Asmodee killed x-wing damn near overnight and the rest of their stuff is also licensed games anyway, again GW just had to basically do nothing. TC took a tranny shotgun to their foot, with GW doing basically nothing but continuing to do what they normally do. Catalyst Game Labs can't seem to figure out wtf they want to do. OPR hasn't fucked themselves over yet, but their growth is slow.
 
Hm, with the 70% off coupon FOMO is setting in hard. I'm wondering if their I Can't Believe It's Not Eldar or their I Can't Believe It's Not Squats sets are worth picking up and would work as decent proxies on a 40k table.

Ninja Edit: Looks like the ICBIN Eldar work really good for them, having available released equivalents across the board. ICBIN Squats too. They're basically buy 1 get 2 free for the kits with the current discount, so ~85ish for a full army.

ICBIN Sisters of Battle have have equivalents for everything too (and add Sisters on Bikes, heh.)

Sadly, they don't currently have any I Can't Believe It's Not Harlequins or I Can't Believe It's Not AdMech miniatures released.

That wiki is hella useful though because it doesn't just show the equivalencies to GW minis, but also other manufactuerers. For example, Their I Can't Believe It's Not Custodes page introduces you to DivergingRealm, who does a full Not-Custodes range.
 
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Those CAD 3D slop models look like shit. the bar for 3D printed "warhammer inspired models" is so fucking low. The hardest part about 3D printing warhammer models is finding an artist who's sculpts aren't either gooning material or just deviant art le epic ninjas in space??? Also why do you play one-page rules instead of playing an older edition did you enter the hobby 8th, 9th or current?
 
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iceteayo said:
Was 4chans /tg/ really actually a bunch of bots and schizos going at it?
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The site was unironically borderline unusable because spam was never (fairly) punished and certain posters were allowed to run rampant ruining any kind of potential discussion. This was true years ago when I was on it. Frankly if anybody shows up here with an account created 2025 or later I am just going to assume they are a fed, a retard, or both.
 
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