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so in the same fashion of overpriced garbage, the goblinhobbies guy has put out his "stampin' plates". In a surprise to absolutely nobody, the upgraded "starting kit" is almost 200 dollars:

https://goblinhobbies.com/products/goblin-hobbies-all-in-limited-starter-bundle

but don't fret, the beginners beginners kit is only 50 dollars:

https://goblinhobbies.com/products/goblin-hobbies-stampin-starter-kit

don't you guys want to drop 50 bucks on a Legally Distinct™ Certified Not GW™ decal maker?

As for FOMO - I cant wrap my head around why a company would give a shit about the secondary market. I mean sure it means their products sell out, but if half of your customer base can't even order the fucking thing then what's the point? Made to order makes more sense, it means everyone that wants one will get one, and it gets speculators to fuck off, and makes the actual customer base happy. I can't imagine that scalpers buying everything up will outstrip the profit from real customers, right? Same with MTG - unless either Hasbro or GW has a back alley into the secondary markets and they scalp their own products or something.

Poorhammer had a review.

They brought the host's wife on with them because she immediately noticed -- It's literally the same tech as used in fancy salons to do people's nails. Same factory makes them, in fact, based on Poorhammer finding the same form factor of tools only with nail salon type stamps instead of chaos insignias or what have you.

They managed to mess up the demo kit they sent because whoops, you have to be VERY specific with how you treat them -- they used nail polish remover instead of pure acetone, and that absolutely wrecked them. They then tried using the nail salon version and it worked pretty much the same way, ditto using the goblin ones as fingernail stamps. IIRC they even switched from "goblin stamping ink" to nail polish and, surprise surprise, it's the same thing. (There are some very nice nail polish colors, especially metallics, they suggested looking into.)



They added this alert to the pages after poorhammer's review dropped, heh.

The nail salon versions are more expensive than the goblinhobbies ones. Poorhammer suggested waiting until you can get faction specific ones unless you 1. gotta real bad FOMO or 2. have a lot of factions you play.

One observation they had was using a marbling stamp from the nail salon version THEN a goblinhobbies one elevated things a lot, because suddenly it looked like you had painted marbling effects on a mini then freehanded something on top of that.

The starting kit is sold out already btw.

 

[p1138]

The starting kit is sold out already btw.

That's not surprising, but stupid. Clearly it makes more sense to just get the couple plates you actually want when available, rather than buying a bunch of shit you'll never use. But no one ever accused 40k players of being smart with regard to purchases.

But yeah, they confirmed the same shit that I assumed based off of how the product looked previously in this thread. It's nail stamps. Obviously spending $200 just to get your legally distinct chapter logo that isn't quite right would be stupid. Layering a couple stamps to make some heraldry on a pauldron, tilt shield, or whatever makes more sense, including the alphanumeric options in a font you'd actually use for unit numbers or whatever. Hilariously it wasn't even just one of the host's wife that they had try it and figure it out. They had their mother try it and figure it out.

 

[Male Idiot]

You're out of line, but you're right.

Story of my life, friend.

On the topic of lore/tabletop, you run into problems.

There is going to be dissonance because of the setting.

Problem is, you can't fit a real army onto a tabletop unless you get the biggest table in the world because you are Larry Fink.

This makes rise to the question, why can't a galactic empire field more than a few hundred soldiers?

This leads to, they can. But than what is the point of Spesh Mehreens if you can field so much more?

Well akchually space marines aren't just twice as better than IG Joe. They are super duper better so it makes sense to have the expensive psycho warriors.

Well than why isn't my Spesh Mehreen S 10 T 10 W 10? Reee. Thus lore and game diverge.

This happens everywhere except Isekais where you literally get a magic levelup screen pop up when you kill 10 goblins with your smartphone.

 

[demicolon]

Lore/rules dissonance reminds me when in Rogue Trader, SM was a force comprised of human, violent criminals with maybe cybernetics here and there, basically the French Foreign Legion... IN SPAAACE as far as I understood. Certainly they were weak as kittens compared to current SM.

I don't think even lore is that accurate, IG brass would come up with MEQ as in the number of IG grunts required to entertain a single Khornate berserker for a minute or so where he'll stay still and not pay attention to the AF jocks nuking him from the orbit, if SM were living up to the hype.

Same problem happened in Bungie's Myth series: first had Trow which were the fastest units in the game who'd require at least a dozen of berserkers to put down, and even then most of them would be punted into the orbit like it was an even more grimdark Blood Bowl. First time Trow appear there's only one and it's enough to put the fear of God into you.

Second game Trow are on your side, so designers had to up the tension somewhat. Behold... Trow, but he throws exploding skulls at you!

Third game some genius came up with the idea "wouldn't it be cool and scary if Trow had actual armor and weapons?" and it is until you realize that the missions featuring them are fucking retarded and borderline unplayable, so you go for (cheddar) cheese tactics like running circles around them like you're baiting a retarded puppy while your archers plink them to death between naps and smoko breaks.

I don't care much about Star Wars but I find it funny how EU tries to explain stupid shit from the series. Why stormtroopers can't hit the broad side of the barn and wear eye-searingly white combat suits in a forest environment? Certainly not because they're kids movies made to sell plastic garbage.

Ergo: it's either lore accurate or not fun to play.

BONUS:
If primarchs looks like this:

then to be truly worthy of your Spiritual Liege you have to have the psychique of this:

 

[Judge Dredd]

I feel FOMO with their bundles more than anything. Old eldar combat patrol? Could be a good start to a new project, discontinued. New one? Not as great and has a long life.

It's why I'm flip flopping on Horus Herasy. I'll never get to play it as intended. But the plastic in the box is good value and I'm the one basic bitch that likes Space Marines unironically.

In a strange twist. Local GW man told me not to worry about fomo, because HH3 isn't on the cards for the near future, and if it was the box would be just as good value. I highly doubt that,

As for FOMO - I cant wrap my head around why a company would give a shit about the secondary market. I mean sure it means their products sell out, but if half of your customer base can't even order the fucking thing then what's the point?

I wondered the same thing too. Still do. Though there are some clues from the GPU shortages in 2021.

1. Selling out means no inventory is left. Excess inventory sitting on shelves is a bane for retail.
2. FOMO means people will pay more than they're worth.
3. Selling all stock to one scalper is better than selling to 100 loyal customers because it's less of a logistical headache. You don't have to send out orders, deal with returns, etc.

These don't explain all of it, but they do explain some of it.

 

[harbringer883]

It's why I'm flip flopping on Horus Herasy. I'll never get to play it as intended. But the plastic in the box is good value and I'm the one basic bitch that likes Space Marines unironically.

In a strange twist. Local GW man told me not to worry about fomo, because HH3 isn't on the cards for the near future, and if it was the box would be just as good value. I highly doubt that,



I wondered the same thing too. Still do. Though there are some clues from the GPU shortages in 2021.

1. Selling out means no inventory is left. Excess inventory sitting on shelves is a bane for retail.
2. FOMO means people will pay more than they're worth.
3. Selling all stock to one scalper is better than selling to 100 loyal customers because it's less of a logistical headache. You don't have to send out orders, deal with returns, etc.

These don't explain all of it, but they do explain some of it.

HH 3.0 will probs happen before/after the launch of 11th edition, so we still have at least 2? years until that happens. Plus all of the 2.0 boxes still have good stock, you can find them pretty easily.

 

[p1138]

It's why I'm flip flopping on Horus Herasy. I'll never get to play it as intended. But the plastic in the box is good value and I'm the one basic bitch that likes Space Marines unironically.

In a strange twist. Local GW man told me not to worry about fomo, because HH3 isn't on the cards for the near future, and if it was the box would be just as good value. I highly doubt that,



I wondered the same thing too. Still do. Though there are some clues from the GPU shortages in 2021.

1. Selling out means no inventory is left. Excess inventory sitting on shelves is a bane for retail.
2. FOMO means people will pay more than they're worth.
3. Selling all stock to one scalper is better than selling to 100 loyal customers because it's less of a logistical headache. You don't have to send out orders, deal with returns, etc.

These don't explain all of it, but they do explain some of it.

I wouldn't trust anything a GW store employee says. Even if they know the truth, they aren't supposed to tell you the truth. Their job is to say anything that might get you to buy models(without simply lying, or at least having some plausible deniability), or think about it overnight to come back and buy models later. Same shit with a car salesman at a dealership.

As far as the FOMO stuff, you're spot on. There's a reason GW had a fucking cargo container of free skaventide boxes to give away at adepticon, leaving them sitting around is a liability. There's still AoS 3.0 dominion boxes sitting on retail shelves for fucks sake(I've also seen some of the 2.0 launch boxes not too long ago as well, but I've seen that once while dominion is still all over the place). But yes, inventory sitting around collecting dust is inventory not making money(and depending on what it is, losing value over time). And with limited runs of things, it works. It's the same reason McDonalds periodically brings back the McRib, it sells well, and eventually once the sales fall off they pull it from the menu and then wait again. As stupid as it seems, people are suckers for "limited" shit and it happens in everything from miniatures, books, shoes, makeup, phones, etc. because it works. And for every instance of shit like that 9th edition Black Templar box still collecting dust on retail shelves, it works out just fine for 10 or more other boxes.

Scalpers add another interesting twist to things. On one hand it's obvious to see that they're preventing people from getting product at MSRP, but on the other you can see that morons are willing to buy from them at 2-5x MSRP depending on the product. Does that mean GW would be more successful if they just doubled the cost because morons will happily pay triple from a scalper anyway? Probably not, because then the initial interest wouldn't be there to begin with. The scalper market is entirely driven by customers willing to fork out the cash. Same with GPUs like you mentioned, if customers weren't willing to pay 2-3x the price for a GPU, scalpers wouldn't bother.

 

[Second Missing Primarch]

I wouldn't trust anything a GW store employee says. Even if they know the truth, they aren't supposed to tell you the truth. Their job is to say anything that might get you to buy models(without simply lying, or at least having some plausible deniability), or think about it overnight to come back and buy models later. Same shit with a car salesman at a dealership.

This. GW store guys have never outright lied to me, but they will also do everything they can to dodge around giving a straight answer to a question about upcoming releases or changes. It's interesting that he said flat-out that HH 3.0 isn't in the cards for now, because that's way more definitive than they usually get in my experience.

 

[ZMOT]

Isn't OPR making a Battlefleet Gothic like ruleset?

warfleets has been updated to 2.0 last year iirc. no idea if they're working on a 3.0, but even GDF wasn't such a big jump between versions.

... I wonder why more people don't just sell their "totally not space marines" 3d prints as being for the OPR ruleset, actually. It would be a valid defense against GW's lawyers, yeah? "These aren't Space Marine proxies, they're miniatures for the I Can't Believe It's Not Astartes factions for Grimdark Future."

lot of them do already, some big names among them: https://www.onepagerules.com/opr-news?category=OPR+Compatibility
that usually includes integration in their army builder, so you all those nifty models already have stats (if you don't wanna use them for battle brother proxies).

with the website talk it's also hilarious how the OPR website shits all over TC's groomcord. everything you need is right there, including free starter with 2d models if you don't wanna 3d-print but engage in some arts & crafts.

If primarchs looks like this:

to be fair if everything is "bigger" there's no reason the head wouldn't be too. including BSMC.

also battleborn was up to sth

 

[Muad'Dick]

lot of them do already, some big names among them

Big ups Oshouna Minis for getting on that list. I've never been a huge fan of 'Nids, but the underwater versions he's created are top tier. Especially the larger models. It'll be nice if he can get his definitely-not-Necrons advertised on there too once he's finished the range. I've used those as proxies in other games because of how unique they are. They're kind of like Necrons crossed with Nighthaunts.

 

[augment]

I think FOMO backfired on me, as well as several other people like me, in that its message is upfront, "you are a niggercattle consumer, you mean less than nothing; beg to have the opportunity to waste your money on frivolous bits & bobs". I'm just that right amount of jaded, but not cynical enough, to just shrug and keep walking. I guess they don't want my money that badly then, I can live just fine without their crap.

 

[harbringer883]

Is horusgalaxy any good?

I think FOMO backfired on me, as well as several other people like me, in that its message is upfront, "you are a niggercattle consumer, you mean less than nothing; beg to have the opportunity to waste your money on frivolous bits & bobs". I'm just that right amount of jaded, but not cynical enough, to just shrug and keep walking. I guess they don't want my money that badly then, I can live just fine without their crap.

Modern warhammer is literally just geedubs milking out consooomers with overpriced plastic slop and shitting on their own lore.

 

[Newcomer 42]

Lore/rules dissonance reminds me when in Rogue Trader, SM was a force comprised of human, violent criminals with maybe cybernetics here and there, basically the French Foreign Legion... IN SPAAACE as far as I understood.

I believe some Chapters still do that, for what's worth. I stopped caring about the lore when the Primaris showed up, as it was obvious they were doing Space Marines 2.0, but blander than ever.

I don't care much about Star Wars but I find it funny how EU tries to explain stupid shit from the series. Why stormtroopers can't hit the broad side of the barn and wear eye-searingly white combat suits in a forest environment? Certainly not because they're kids movies made to sell plastic garbage.

Funny how stormtroopers used to be fearsome and competent minions (remember one of them wounded Leia with a hip-shot with basically no aiming time, IIRC) until the bloody ewoks happened. They never recovered from that.

 

[Bonesjones]

Funny how stormtroopers used to be fearsome and competent minions (remember one of them wounded Leia with a hip-shot with basically no aiming time, IIRC) until the bloody ewoks happened. They never recovered from that.

It happens a lot in shitty media, like Worf in Star Trek. You have someone who is supposed to be very strong and good at fighting but then there's no tension in the plot, so they always end up losing, making them look like complete buffoons.

Not sure who designed the Krieg Engineers but they didn't need to be 10 to 15 parts a piece. 2 part backpacks? Really? They are half the size of a Space Marine.

 

[Mr Clark]

Is horusgalaxy any good?

Ita just a counter-grimdank. It rarely makes content of its own, just parodies the main sub and therefor not great.

You will get banned from most if not all warhammer subs

 

[Tri-Tachyon'sClown]

Is horusgalaxy any good?

>Thinking any (WH) subplebbit is good

Ita just a counter-grimdank. It rarely makes content of its own, just parodies the main sub and therefor not great.

You will get banned from most if not all warhammer subs

Censorship-free btw. Also lol of course this subplebbit that's like every other subplebbit is "too different" and will get you banned off other WH subplebbits. Even in the hivemind, you can't escape human tribalism. This post though is why I can see you getting banned lol:

 

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Censorship-free btw. Also lol of course this subplebbit that's like every other subplebbit is "too different" and will get you banned off other WH subplebbits. Even in the hivemind, you can't escape human tribalism. This post though is why I can see why you're get banned:
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Almost all of those rules are mandatory, if you don't enact them in some form Reddit Admins will nuke your sub. Some are there to prevent obvious attack vectors -- for example, dunking on someone without redacting their name is harassment to the Jannies, if you're dunking on a protected snowflake they WILL cry to the admins about it. If you don't have a rule against NSFW content they'll spam your sub with CSAM (they already did that to Horus Galaxy once I believe).

The site already has "the" 40k subreddits, so the "chud 40k subreddit" is on the short list to be nuked -- reddit's admins don't like split communities, it makes it more likely wrongthink will occur and less advertiser friendly.

The GamerGate forums went through this until the admin who was literally a tranny pedophile (seriously he ran for office on a "let me fuck kids" platform in the UK, and moderated hundreds of child targeted subreddits) was pulling shit like "this violates the rules but I won't say what rule or how" and nuking random posts, posters, and even moderators. They finally just banned all mention of transsexuals AT ALL, negative or positive, which pissed the admin off but the whole "proud and out pedophile" got out and he got yeeted before he could do anything but sneed.

 

[p1138]

You will get banned from most if not all warhammer subs

I initially thought it might be some stupid sigmarxism honeypot op so they could ban anyone posting there, but they just do it anyway. But it's still reddit and thus not worth posting on.

 

[harbringer883]

I initially thought it might be some stupid sigmarxism honeypot op so they could ban anyone posting there, but they just do it anyway. But it's still reddit and thus not worth posting on.

Funnily enough I dont even think sigmarxism bans people from there, thats what the main 40k sub does

 

[Male Idiot]

Poor Worf got shat on all the time.

Stormtroopers I can excuse, they were initially boarding troops in the film, and on Endor they weren't really there to wage war, just to keep Wookies, I mean teddy bears, out.

In the original Star Wars script they didn't even have any armour, but had laserswords as a pretty standard gear.

It gets less defensible with clones in an actual ground war, but they are fighting robots. There are some examples of them having camo, but not much. You can at least say that maybe Droids don't see in just the visible spectrum, so camo may not be that useful if the robot sees your heat signature. Which Space marines should also be able to do, known as Preysight.