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What's the reasoning in choosing 380 over 22?
The nature of rimfire cartridges having the primer in the rim of the case makes consistent ignition harder than a centerfire cartridge, like .380. Further, and more importantly, the expansion and penetration capable from a relatively larger (but still small) cartridge like .380 is substantial for killing people or animals.
 
What's the reasoning in choosing 380 over 22?
Bigger boolit, more energy, (theoretically) better terminal ballistics than .380, though this is all napkin math on my part, I wouldn't say I'm an expert on the matter.

Honestly if you're new to guns I would worry more about finding a gun you feel comfortable to shoot with than worrying about the caliber. Caliber debates have attracted extreme amounts of autism since time immemorial and have caused arguments so large tales of them have been passed down generations.
it is a huge rabbit hole to jump down particularly if you're a new shooter, who has a whole bunch of other more important things to worry about frankly.
 
What's the reasoning in choosing 380 over 22?
1. Larger Diameter bullet (9mm vs 6.35mm), both cartridges struggle with expanding, however even well expanding .22 ammo still won't expand as wide as a non-expanding .380 (that Lucky Gunner test I posted earlier showed cci minimags only expanding to .32 inches, .380 is .35 inches in diameter).
2. Centerfire, while rimfire .22 ammunition has come a long way in reliability the centerfire .380 is still going to be more reliable.
3. .380 is rimless, rimless cartridges tend to work better in autoloaders.
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Obligatory Paul Harrell video:


Here's another one the effectiveness of .22 Hollowpoints. And if you have a some time A video comparing .25, .32, and .38, to be enjoyed alongside Another video comparing .25 and .22. Paul Harrell was really good at this sort of informative self-defense oriented videos aimed at more normal people, sadly it seems he never directly compared .22 and .380 on tape.
 
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As a non-gun person I'm curious what you guys think about the Ruger LCP II. It's lightweight and the ammo is relatively cheap. I don't know much about guns so can someone with more experience give me their opinion on it?
I'll also chime in and say that if you're new to guns, it's pretty counterintuitive but a bigger handgun is going to be much easier to handle and keep on target than a smaller gun because of Newton's third law. (To a point, anyway. Don't get a Desert Eagle on the other end of the spectrum.)
I personally carry tiny pistols but it's absolutely a massive tradeoff between concealability (which is a huge priority for me) and actually being able to make accurate shots. If you're not considering it for carry and just want something keep at home then consider a full size pistol or a rifle. If you have a local range with rentals then try anything centerfire that fits your hands nicely and ignore caliber war autism as stated above.
 
The nature of rimfire cartridges having the primer in the rim of the case makes consistent ignition harder than a centerfire cartridge, like .380. Further, and more importantly, the expansion and penetration capable from a relatively larger (but still small) cartridge like .380 is substantial for killing people or animals.
This is the big one - rimfire cartridges have spotty reliability at times which is something you do not want to have in a defensive handgun. However, if you do use premium ammo that concern disappears greatly but still something not worth risking. Also utilizing a revolver solves any ammo reliability problems but rimfire revolvers have shitty triggers (they need to be heavier compared to centerfire ones) and generally speaking you can get the same revolver in a better cartridge anyway (such as 38 special and God's chosen calibre - .327 Federal).

The real redpill is that in terms of "stopping power" is that most commonly used handgun rounds are all equally shit, especially compared to a rifle/shotgun, in terms of defensive shootings against people:
I am remember when this info dropped the real causalities of this study was the .40 SW (short and gay weak) and .45 auto as the people who pushed "bigger boolit = betta" never recovered:

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As a non-gun person I'm curious what you guys think about the Ruger LCP II. It's lightweight and the ammo is relatively cheap. I don't know much about guns so can someone with more experience give me their opinion on it?
I've used both Ruger's LCP II and SR22. I feel like nowadays its really hard to mess up a .22 pistol so they're both perfectly fine for what they are.

The one main drawback of the LCP II compared to the SR22 is that the former is SAO while the SR22 is DA/SA with an external hammer. With centerfire cartridges it's mostly a matter of personal taste, but for rimfire its kinda nice to have double action so you can restrike when you inevitably get a failure to fire.

most commonly used handgun rounds are all equally shit

Yep, from my understanding they're all pretty much the same for hitting flesh but from what I've heard the police don't use anything smaller than a 9mm because it is able to penetrate car windows.

Also I just assumed noguns->newgun friend was just getting a .22 pistol because its a cheap way to get started, not that it would be a carry gun.
 
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If you want a 22 handgun to learn on and not for defense the Taurus tx22 is amazing. Super cheap and reliable and same ergos as a compact 9mm. "But it's Taurus!" Naw they've got this one knocked out of the park. The only upgrade I suggest is the lakeline barrel for $120. Well worth it. The factory barrels are the only place I've had issues. I imagine that's fixed by now with the new gens. A lot of companies had the same issues with barrels in 22s about that time
 
The nature of rimfire cartridges having the primer in the rim of the case makes consistent ignition harder than a centerfire cartridge, like .380. Further, and more importantly, the expansion and penetration capable from a relatively larger (but still small) cartridge like .380 is substantial for killing people or animals.
rimfire lacks an entire manufacturing step and qc check which is why its cheap but its why people dont trust their life on it. its not unsound reasoning. I think 22 has a reputation for being unreliable because the most popular brands are some of the crappiest ammo on the market, and the loose pack bulk ammo is even more unreliable. every time i would buy a 500 jar of magtech ammo there would probably be 4-5 duds and i think i've probably shot at least 1500 rounds of CCI AR Tactical without a single primer failure.

i have heard from many people that remington and winchester make good 22 ammo and they fucking don't, you can get better ammo cheaper from the filipinos
 
Please don't buy a tiny pocket pistol as your first gun.
They typically are not fun to shoot.
Look for something about the SIZE of a glork 19 or 48.
22lr is a great caliber to start with though!
Ruger 22/45 or Browning Buckmark make for excellent first pistols IMO.
Only micro compact I'd suggest for a new shooter is the P365 in 380 because it feels like shooting a 22, can be converted to 9mm with a slide and barrel swap, and is genuinely a lot of fun.
 
Speaking of C96s, I'm surprised no one's ever, at least to my knowledge, used that form factor for a magnum cartridge.
Way back in the70s-80s a guy was working on a pistol called the Piranha with that same basic form factor. They only made about 20 prototypes, most in common handgun rounds, but a couple were chambered in 9mm and .45 Winchester magnum rounds originally developed for the Wildey pistols. He never could get any investors and the whole thing just never got off the ground.
For what it's worth, 9mm WM flings a 115 grain bullet at about 1600 fps and .45 WM does about the same velocity with a 230 grain, so they're nothing to sneeze at.
I actually found a pdf of an old magazine issue talking about it. It doesn't mention the magnum versions, IIRC I read that in an old Gun Digest or some other publication.
 

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...I'd fundamentally disagree with the conclusion of the gaming PC comparison from the chart, don't buy a PC or an AR15 where you know, or will likely need to, swap parts as that defeats the purpose of spending as little as possible and still getting a good gun. ...
See, I appreciate the input but I'm gonna soft disagree wit you here.
I just built 4 ARs, and the fun part is tweaking the little options until you get your perfect build.
(Almost makes up for the half dozen deten pins currently hiding in my carpet like the VC)
 
As a non-gun person I'm curious what you guys think about the Ruger LCP II. It's lightweight and the ammo is relatively cheap. I don't know much about guns so can someone with more experience give me their opinion on it?
For $100 less, you can get a mark 3/4; which has the same carry capacity in a more stylish and accurate luger design.
If you want a compact carry, I'd go for the Security 9, or at least a 380.
However, I've never bought a bad gun from Ruger. Ruger is the cheap but high quality gun white people think Glocks are and black people think HiPoint is.
 
I'm only glad I bought a Jennings J-22 as my first gun because I somehow managed to trade up to an actual handgun, it still had value in the age before the subcompact 9x19 boom.
Plus that old lady at the liquor store still got scared enough to give up all the cash in the register?

I keed I keed.
 
See, I appreciate the input but I'm gonna soft disagree wit you here.
I just built 4 ARs, and the fun part is tweaking the little options until you get your perfect build.
(Almost makes up for the half dozen deten pins currently hiding in my carpet like the VC)

I'm actually in the process of another AR build, which will probably be the tenth I've done. My earlier ones were all over the place - M4 clone, weird space gun DMR with Hera furniture, etc.

Now I have a feeling for what I like and manufacturers I prefer and they all end up looking mostly the same - skinny MLOK handguards, fairly vertical pistol grips (the Magpul K2XL is rad), simple stocks that incorporate some storage and flat-face triggers. Optics, barrel lengths and accessories vary, but I think I've found a "type". As for why I keep making kinda the same gun over and over, I just like building them.
 
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