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crab fucker said:
Bear Creek Arms shit-tier
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they aren't Hesse/Vulcan and can produce okay parts at an acceptable price point that aren't unregistered grenades. the problems i've had are inconsistency and very obviously using tooling far past the point of reasonable wear to produce parts sold to customers. using a BCA rifle as a .22LR host or something you're going to modify DIY style is reasonable imho. i turned one of their uppers into an integrally suppressed .22 TCM upper (with quarter circle lower for glock mags) for a friend of mine and it works fine for that sort of purpose. the .223 upper itself is also convenient for side charging conversions and they also make 10/22 receivers that are decent for a cheap custom build.

i wouldn't feel bad using a BCA rifle if the communists invaded and we were making volkssturmgewehrs and handing them out like candy at a fat kid's birthday party.
 
To build off of what Club stated, Bear Creek's 7.62 uppers are notoriously bad, constant issues with firing pin breakages and extractor issues (extracting or breaking). They are known for their price point and to do that they let their machines run too long without maintenance and they don't do hardly any QC during assembly. In 2019 they got raided by ICE where they made 30 arrests, labor is cheap when it's illegal. Labor is cheap when you have retards slapping parts together or just pressing start on the machines. They are also known for shilling on youtube. They are also overly known for how good their warranty service is, because they're guns break so often. The silver lining is they're okay if you have 2-350 dollars burning a hole in your pocket with no where else to go and you want to try out [insert uncommon cartridge here] the cheapest you can wrapped up in an AR package. You get what you pay for, but sometimes not even that.
 
As a non-gun person I'm curious what you guys think about the Ruger LCP II. It's lightweight and the ammo is relatively cheap. I don't know much about guns so can someone with more experience give me their opinion on it?
 
The Repeated Meme said:
As a non-gun person I'm curious what you guys think about the Ruger LCP II. It's lightweight and the ammo is relatively cheap. I don't know much about guns so can someone with more experience give me their opinion on it?
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It's fine, it's a cheap 22 plinker that can be carried if needed. Ruger has a pretty good reputation among their rimfire pistols and rifles, so while I'm not familiar with this specific gun I don't really have any specific reason to believe it'd run bad.
I'd personally move up to at least a 380 if I'm gonna carry it but If you know nothing about guns anything in .22 is probably your best choice as a first gun purchase.
 
Autistic Gunspergings said:
It's fine, it's a cheap 22 plinker that can be carried if needed. Ruger has a pretty good reputation among their rimfire pistols and rifles, so while I'm not familiar with this specific gun I don't really have any specific reason to believe it'd run bad.
I'd personally move up to at least a 380 if I'm gonna carry it but If you know nothing about guns anything in .22 is probably your best choice as a first gun purchase.
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What's the reasoning in choosing 380 over 22?
 
The Repeated Meme said:
What's the reasoning in choosing 380 over 22?
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The nature of rimfire cartridges having the primer in the rim of the case makes consistent ignition harder than a centerfire cartridge, like .380. Further, and more importantly, the expansion and penetration capable from a relatively larger (but still small) cartridge like .380 is substantial for killing people or animals.
 
The Repeated Meme said:
What's the reasoning in choosing 380 over 22?
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Bigger boolit, more energy, (theoretically) better terminal ballistics than .380, though this is all napkin math on my part, I wouldn't say I'm an expert on the matter.

Honestly if you're new to guns I would worry more about finding a gun you feel comfortable to shoot with than worrying about the caliber. Caliber debates have attracted extreme amounts of autism since time immemorial and have caused arguments so large tales of them have been passed down generations.
it is a huge rabbit hole to jump down particularly if you're a new shooter, who has a whole bunch of other more important things to worry about frankly.
 
The Repeated Meme said:
What's the reasoning in choosing 380 over 22?
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1. Larger Diameter bullet (9mm vs 6.35mm), both cartridges struggle with expanding, however even well expanding .22 ammo still won't expand as wide as a non-expanding .380 (that Lucky Gunner test I posted earlier showed cci minimags only expanding to .32 inches, .380 is .35 inches in diameter).
2. Centerfire, while rimfire .22 ammunition has come a long way in reliability the centerfire .380 is still going to be more reliable.
3. .380 is rimless, rimless cartridges tend to work better in autoloaders.
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Obligatory Paul Harrell video:


Here's another one the effectiveness of .22 Hollowpoints. And if you have a some time A video comparing .25, .32, and .38, to be enjoyed alongside Another video comparing .25 and .22. Paul Harrell was really good at this sort of informative self-defense oriented videos aimed at more normal people, sadly it seems he never directly compared .22 and .380 on tape.
 
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The Repeated Meme said:
As a non-gun person I'm curious what you guys think about the Ruger LCP II. It's lightweight and the ammo is relatively cheap. I don't know much about guns so can someone with more experience give me their opinion on it?
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I'll also chime in and say that if you're new to guns, it's pretty counterintuitive but a bigger handgun is going to be much easier to handle and keep on target than a smaller gun because of Newton's third law. (To a point, anyway. Don't get a Desert Eagle on the other end of the spectrum.)
I personally carry tiny pistols but it's absolutely a massive tradeoff between concealability (which is a huge priority for me) and actually being able to make accurate shots. If you're not considering it for carry and just want something keep at home then consider a full size pistol or a rifle. If you have a local range with rentals then try anything centerfire that fits your hands nicely and ignore caliber war autism as stated above.
 
Glock 19 Gen 5 said:
The nature of rimfire cartridges having the primer in the rim of the case makes consistent ignition harder than a centerfire cartridge, like .380. Further, and more importantly, the expansion and penetration capable from a relatively larger (but still small) cartridge like .380 is substantial for killing people or animals.
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This is the big one - rimfire cartridges have spotty reliability at times which is something you do not want to have in a defensive handgun. However, if you do use premium ammo that concern disappears greatly but still something not worth risking. Also utilizing a revolver solves any ammo reliability problems but rimfire revolvers have shitty triggers (they need to be heavier compared to centerfire ones) and generally speaking you can get the same revolver in a better cartridge anyway (such as 38 special and God's chosen calibre - .327 Federal).

The real redpill is that in terms of "stopping power" is that most commonly used handgun rounds are all equally shit, especially compared to a rifle/shotgun, in terms of defensive shootings against people:
I am remember when this info dropped the real causalities of this study was the .40 SW (short and gay weak) and .45 auto as the people who pushed "bigger boolit = betta" never recovered:

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The Repeated Meme said:
As a non-gun person I'm curious what you guys think about the Ruger LCP II. It's lightweight and the ammo is relatively cheap. I don't know much about guns so can someone with more experience give me their opinion on it?
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I've used both Ruger's LCP II and SR22. I feel like nowadays its really hard to mess up a .22 pistol so they're both perfectly fine for what they are.

The one main drawback of the LCP II compared to the SR22 is that the former is SAO while the SR22 is DA/SA with an external hammer. With centerfire cartridges it's mostly a matter of personal taste, but for rimfire its kinda nice to have double action so you can restrike when you inevitably get a failure to fire.

Robin's Donuts said:
most commonly used handgun rounds are all equally shit
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Yep, from my understanding they're all pretty much the same for hitting flesh but from what I've heard the police don't use anything smaller than a 9mm because it is able to penetrate car windows.

Also I just assumed noguns->newgun friend was just getting a .22 pistol because its a cheap way to get started, not that it would be a carry gun.
 
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If you want a 22 handgun to learn on and not for defense the Taurus tx22 is amazing. Super cheap and reliable and same ergos as a compact 9mm. "But it's Taurus!" Naw they've got this one knocked out of the park. The only upgrade I suggest is the lakeline barrel for $120. Well worth it. The factory barrels are the only place I've had issues. I imagine that's fixed by now with the new gens. A lot of companies had the same issues with barrels in 22s about that time
 
Please don't buy a tiny pocket pistol as your first gun.
They typically are not fun to shoot.
Look for something about the SIZE of a glork 19 or 48.
22lr is a great caliber to start with though!
Ruger 22/45 or Browning Buckmark make for excellent first pistols IMO.
 
Glock 19 Gen 5 said:
The nature of rimfire cartridges having the primer in the rim of the case makes consistent ignition harder than a centerfire cartridge, like .380. Further, and more importantly, the expansion and penetration capable from a relatively larger (but still small) cartridge like .380 is substantial for killing people or animals.
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rimfire lacks an entire manufacturing step and qc check which is why its cheap but its why people dont trust their life on it. its not unsound reasoning. I think 22 has a reputation for being unreliable because the most popular brands are some of the crappiest ammo on the market, and the loose pack bulk ammo is even more unreliable. every time i would buy a 500 jar of magtech ammo there would probably be 4-5 duds and i think i've probably shot at least 1500 rounds of CCI AR Tactical without a single primer failure.

i have heard from many people that remington and winchester make good 22 ammo and they fucking don't, you can get better ammo cheaper from the filipinos
 
DocAwe said:
Please don't buy a tiny pocket pistol as your first gun.
They typically are not fun to shoot.
Look for something about the SIZE of a glork 19 or 48.
22lr is a great caliber to start with though!
Ruger 22/45 or Browning Buckmark make for excellent first pistols IMO.
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Only micro compact I'd suggest for a new shooter is the P365 in 380 because it feels like shooting a 22, can be converted to 9mm with a slide and barrel swap, and is genuinely a lot of fun.
 
Friedrich Hayek's Ghost said:
Speaking of C96s, I'm surprised no one's ever, at least to my knowledge, used that form factor for a magnum cartridge.
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Way back in the70s-80s a guy was working on a pistol called the Piranha with that same basic form factor. They only made about 20 prototypes, most in common handgun rounds, but a couple were chambered in 9mm and .45 Winchester magnum rounds originally developed for the Wildey pistols. He never could get any investors and the whole thing just never got off the ground.
For what it's worth, 9mm WM flings a 115 grain bullet at about 1600 fps and .45 WM does about the same velocity with a 230 grain, so they're nothing to sneeze at.
I actually found a pdf of an old magazine issue talking about it. It doesn't mention the magnum versions, IIRC I read that in an old Gun Digest or some other publication.
 

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