The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[prollyanotherlurker]

And "keep it simple stupid" will always be the superior principle.

Idk why you are acting like those are mutually exclusive. Generally the idea of the unix philosophy. Is have small simple programs that do one thing, and do it well. And can be used together as a sun to do more powerful things than the individual.

Like, since network manager was talked about, to give an example of a GUI version of this. It has wpa-supplicant taking care of authentication or iwd, dhcpcd or another client doing dhcp, and then one of the dns resolving implementations doing that. You end up with a network management framework that easily allows swapping out parts, and will work on a lot of different systems.

But the unix philosophy has a lot of things to it people interpret differently, and put more or less importance on different parts of it.

Never going to happen unless all of Linux community finally finds a center

No. It doesn't. That's what makes Linux great. Go back to windows and use that shit. Or move to Mac if you don't like it. It seems like you literally hate everything about how Linux does things, but decided for some arbitrary reason "it's the best tool for the job". It sounds like you're crying every time you boot up your machine with how much you complain on here.

 

[Slav Power]

it's the best tool for the job

Can't complain about Proxmox, forgot that I have it running. I just don't try fitting a square peg into a round hole.

 

[LouBoots]

https://www.theregister.com/2024/07/21/crowdstrike_linux_crashes_restoration_tools/

Odd how it went unnoticed given how Linux runs 3/4th of world's IT infrastructure or something like that.

This is complete propaganda. The thing that was broken was crowdstrikes own kernel level tool. I had to pereplexity it to refresh my memory, but I had studied it in depth at the time.

They hadn't fully completed their linux based system restoration system. [Ostensibly would have been pushing images of some kind without needing sneakernet to the extent they needed it]

But all this was clearly intentional. Crowdstrike is a bad actor. They did that intentionally to provide plausible deniability to get operatives in server farms all over the world.

There was no 'linux restoration tools' crash. It was a system that hadn't been finished and wasn't relevant to the point of failure.

Shit your news over there is horrifically bad.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

I just don't try fitting a square peg into a round hole.

Sure. Meanwhile. This is the longest I think I've seen someone seeth in any of these threads. Just walls of text everyday crying because Linux doesn't try to copy what e-daddy bill Gates did.

 

[Slav Power]

Sure. Meanwhile. This is the longest I think I've seen someone seeth in any of these threads. Just walls of text everyday crying because Linux doesn't try to copy what e-daddy bill Gates did.

This sounds to me like you want to turn this into some personal grudge because you don't like my opinions on Linux and I'm not exactly interested in that. If you're physically incapable of reading my posts, and you have a personal issue with me, feel free to use that Ignore button. There's no shame in that.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

This sounds to me like you want to turn this into some personal grudge because you don't like my opinions on Linux and I'm not exactly interested in that. If you're physically incapable of reading my posts, and you have a personal issue with me, feel free to use that Ignore button. There's no shame in that.

No I'm just saying what you're doing. Posting seething walls of text. And pressing the "I'm not mad you're mad" button on everyone else you're seething at.

I mean shit. You're talking about a "personal grudge" nigger lol. This is a web forum.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Windows NT is an solid core design that has been ruined by Microsoft being full of Jeets since Ballmer left.

The rot set in even before XP's release, while Ballmer was still firmly in control. MS had to abandon Longhorn (which had begun development before XP went to market) and rebase it onto onto a version of server 2003 for the Vista release, because of a combination of feature creep, retarded management interference, and shit just plain breaking existing systems. Vista and 7 are full of wrappers around that Server 2003, NT 5.1-era code that nobody understood any more; Vista in particular was a steaming, heaping mess of badly written code and half-baked ideas thrown into a pot in the name of getting something out of the door. The only significant change SatNad made to Microsoft's OS development trajectory was to fire the QA team.

But this isn't the Microsoft Hate thread, so I'll shut up now.

 

[Jorji]

Everyone in this thread:

 

[Slav Power]

Everyone in this thread:
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I have a funny;

'In 1997, while operating off the coast of Cape Charles, Virginia, the USS Yorktown experienced a complete propulsion system failure after a crew member entered a zero into a database field. This caused an attempted division by zero in the ship's Remote Data Base Manager, resulting in a buffer overflow that crashed all the computers on the ship’s network. The ship’s propulsion system, which was controlled by these computers running Windows NT 4.0, became inoperable, forcing the vessel to be towed back to Norfolk Naval Station. Reports from both civilian contractors and Navy officials confirmed that such failures had required the Yorktown to be towed back to port on more than one occasion.'

It's funnier if you have some familarity with IT and as such recognize that the letters 'RDB' mean that Oracle was almost certainly involved somewhere, and that this probably had nothing to do with Windows NT, but involved many layers of bad third party shitware:

1. whatever crapware was set up to require the successful completion of queries on an Oracle database, without a failsafe mode
2. the retarded database schema that it used, which allowed zeros to be input into (whether by automated software or manual input- it is unclear what actually happened) fields where the values probably should have been NULL for no data
3. shitty Oracle software that will have made these ORA-14706 errors impossible for anyone to diagnose, trace and fix without taking the whole system offline

To the extent that anything could be blamed on 'Windows' at all- my guess would be that Windows slowness in booting led Litton Industries- since acquired by Northrop Grumman- to set whatever shitty VB 6.0 GUI they created as the default shell under HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon\Shell, to save a few seconds on boot, and possibly even set it up to restart the system if it died, so when that shell crashed it would just continuously restart (unless you booted to safe mode, anyway).

 

[YoRHa No. 2 Type B]

No. It doesn't. That's what makes Linux great. Go back to windows and use that shit. Or move to Mac if you don't like it.

If you want to be elitist about an OS that noobs can't use, try a BSD?
Linux is the only competitor to Windows or Mac left in any form. It can get there but I would be optimistic to think anyone is trying.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

If you want to be elitist about an OS that noobs can't use, try a BSD?
Linux is the only competitor to Windows or Mac left in any form. It can get there but I would be optimistic to think anyone is trying.

I don't care about people wanting to try Linux or use it. And I don't care if people that aren't skilled use Linux. Neither of those have anything to do with what you quoted.

To make it bit more clear. People using Linux, complaining it's not like windows, and it's not like mac. Should go use windows and Mac. Linux isn't Mac and windows. And if you expect it to be well IDK what to tell you. But you are probably going to end up hating it because you want it to be something it isn't trying to be.

 

[Geddy Lee's Fee and See]

@Slav Power

I genuinly cannot believe there are people defending Microsoft, especially modern Microsoft. There hasn't been a good Windows operating system since Windows 7 and with each release, they add more spyware and take away features from each release.

Like, how can you defend needing a Microsoft account to log into your Windows 11 computer and having Microsoft legally be able to look at your files on your computer via their spybot AI asssistant? You write all the cope about how Microsoft does this or thay better than Linux but at the end of the day:

1) You don't have accesz to the source code so that's not necessarily true.

2) Even their proprietary file system has problems with defragging and shit like that, wheras EXT4 and BTRFS don't

3) I don't have to run shady third-party scripts as a means to prevent spyware on my Linux computer (which might be a placebo anyways).

Fundamentally, Microsoft is just a shit company making shite products. Apple is pretty bad too, but their products are high quality in terms of hardware (it's more the consumers of said products that suck along with the software). Windows is a fucking mess of an OS and only managed to get to the position its at due to Microsoft making the OS pre-installed on most computers via backroom deals, not because it's actually good. It's like saying McDonald's is popular therefore it's good for you when you try to defend Windows.



You are one retarded Slav, which is saying a lot considering how stupid Vostokoslavs are.

 

[YoRHa No. 2 Type B]

No. It doesn't. That's what makes Linux great.

Linux's greatest strength is also its greatest weakness after all.

Go back to windows and use that shit.

I have already said a few times why I don't use Windows. Ever since 7 its just gotten worse and worse, and the experience from 10 and 11 is so bad (and I also didn't use anything that really kept me on Windows other then a few odd utilities) that I decided to jump ship.
My needs have gone more from "Power User" to "Grandma" as time goes on, and I honestly like the KDE apps for stuff more then anything I found on Windows, so would find it much harder to go back these days.

It sounds like you're crying every time you boot up your machine with how much you complain on here.

No, I've really stopped caring as much as time goes on as Modern Windows really is that bad and 10 (which I can't stand) was just the start. Its why I jumped for "greener pastures" you could say. As I had never really used a Unix system before it took quite a while to get used to, and in some ways I still am.
Setting something like this up (Windows Classic on Windows 7 look) took like 5 minutes maybe? on KDE, but on Windows it would take several hours with fucking around with various programs like Windhawk that would all break on every update, not to mention all the "debloating" rubbish you have to run. Its just not worth it, especially when I had no real need to stick with it.

I have my complaints with Linux because unlike what most people in this thread and on Reddit say, its not perfect, it has its drawbacks just like Windows does, but I have managed to get used to them or work around the worst parts of it.

 

[Shoe Cat]

I don't understand the hate for NixOS. While it's true the initial setup requires significant time investment to create a functional configuration, and both the community and documentation sucks (though the system becomes increasingly self-documenting as you dive deeper, and AI tools can help bridge the knowledge gap), the long-term benefits are exceptional.

The ability to maintain a unified configuration across all your machines - managing dotfiles, secrets, and system settings through the configuration. The built-in rollback functionality eliminates the fear of system-breaking changes, while automatic garbage collection ensures your environment stays lean. Want to test GNOME after using KDE? Simply modify your configuration. If unsatisfied, roll back or adjust your settings - your system returns to its previous state..

 

[TheOther]

I just treat people like GNU/Linux (Yes, GNU/Linux) as regular and mainstream thing. When I someone say task manager I just look weirdly and ask If he mean htop or btop.

 

[Betonhaus]

I just treat people like GNU/Linux (Yes, GNU/Linux) as regular and mainstream thing. When I someone say task manager I just look weirdly and ask If he mean htop or btop.

Technically it's GNU/Linux/systemd if you want to be that autistically specific. But even then it's a bottomless technicality based on an arbitrary cutoff. You might as well call it GNU/Linux/systemd/[etc]/LibreOffice/Firefox

 

[Max Weber]

Yes, GNU/Linux

No, Richard.

 

[Susanna]

Technically it's GNU/Linux/systemd if you want to be that autistically specific

Most of the apps I interact with are actually KDE, so GNU/Linux/systemd/plasma. I also do a tonne of stuff with my browser, so maybe it would be more accurate to say GNU/Linux/systemd/plasma/Microsoft Edge. Oh, but I've also spent a lot of evenings playing BG3 lately, so GNU/Linux/systemd/plasma/Microsoft Edge/Steam. Or in order, Plasma/Microsoft Edge/Steam/Linux/systemd/GNU.

 

[Cool kitties club]

I don't understand the hate for NixOS. While it's true the initial setup requires significant time investment to create a functional configuration, and both the community and documentation sucks (though the system becomes increasingly self-documenting as you dive deeper, and AI tools can help bridge the knowledge gap), the long-term benefits are exceptional.

The ability to maintain a unified configuration across all your machines - managing dotfiles, secrets, and system settings through the configuration. The built-in rollback functionality eliminates the fear of system-breaking changes, while automatic garbage collection ensures your environment stays lean. Want to test GNOME after using KDE? Simply modify your configuration. If unsatisfied, roll back or adjust your settings - your system returns to its previous state..

Ive tried running the nix package manager and found it difficult but I imagine starting from scratch with nixos would be easier then trying to integrate nix into an established system.