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Jeff Sneider is say Kathleen Kennedy is leaving in August of 2025, we’ve heard it all before but he seems to be somewhat of a reliable scooper/ journalist?
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Dude, Garm literally tells that to Han Solo in one of his conversations. He declined to join the Rebellion because they were hearing constant reports of Rebel bases being seized by the Empire.
Not to mention that if the Empire were as paste-eating retarded as you make them out to be, then all the struggles the Rebels and the New Republic had against them make them look even worse than the Empire, that they literally have to be saved by plot devices like Luke's Force-sensitivity, Vader's last-minute defection, or Leia pulling the Nohgri to the NR side, for the Rebels/NR to win. At least me making the Empire out to be powerful also makes the NR/Rebels look stronger by proxy, that they survived long enough against a powerful foe for the plot to kick in and do the work for them.
Otherwise, if the Empire is as dumb as you say they are, then the New Republic/Rebels having so much struggles before Pellaeon signing the peace treaty makes the NR look like a bunch of morons for not being able to vanquish the Empire outright. It's the same flaw Filoni does with the Empire; he makes them look like fools, so by proxy, he makes the Rebels look even weaker than the Empire for not being able to wipe out a bunch of plastic-clad buffoons who can't even hit the broad side of a barn.
If the post-Endor Empire is as weak and feeble as you say it is, there shouldn't be a single Imperial left by the time the Vong show up. Especially since the New Republic/Rebel leadership is full of people whose lives were ruined by the Empire, so they have no reason to let the Empire live. The only way the New Republic singing a peace treaty with the Empire makes sense is if the New Republic was also weakened enough to the point where they can't deal the killing blow against the Empire, without killing themselves as well.
Otherwise, it would be like what if we allowed the Third Reich to live intact, with all its race-based ideals and Nazi philosophies still being taught in it, while we possessed the strength necessary to wipe it out for good. Pellaeon's reasoning for signing the treaty is to preserve the ideology of the New Order, and just wait until the New Republic self-destructs so they can seize power later. He did not sign the treaty out of goodwill. He signed it for the same reason the Sith signed the Treaty of Coruscant 3700 years before; so they can set the other side up for a killing blow later on.
If the New Republic possessed the strength to wipe out the Empire, but chose not to, then them signing a peace treaty with the Empire is effectively a sign of their own colossal stupidity, especially since the Empire did not repent of its crimes; they still teach their people that they were in the right and the Rebels were in the wrong, and they carried those beliefs throughout the years. For all those years, the Imperials continued to believe that the galaxy belonged to them, that the New Republic/Galactic Alliance was a state full of traitors, and blowing up Alderaan was the correct thing to do.
That explains why the Empire had no problems betraying the Alliance later on and seizing the galaxy once again during the Legacy Era. And if what you say is true, the New Republic could've prevented all that by wiping out the Empire, which makes them look even more foolish for sparing the Empire and signing a peace treaty with them.
Not quite. The Empire even seized fucking Coruscant from the New Republic, and that was AFTER Thrawn was dead and BEFORE Palpatine returned. Literally, before Palpatine returns in Dark Empire, the Imperial ruling council retook Coruscant from the New Republic, then they have another round of Imperial infighting, before Palpatine re-introduces himself to the galaxy by attacking Mon Cala with World Devastators.
We literally start off Dark Empire by having the Rebels survey Coruscant as the Imperials are fighting over it like cats and dogs. And this was after Thrawn and C'baoth died, so you can't say they don't have fighting spirit of their own, if they were able to take Coruscant from the New Republic without Thrawn's tactics or C'baoth's Battle Meditation.
Does that even matter? Disney Star Wars at this point is on life support.
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I mean its going to be a hollow victory when it finally happens. It should have happened 5 years ago at the minimum.
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It seems reliable. Doomcuck is revelling in his stopped clocked moment.
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The loss of morale among the Imperials was established by multiple characters across multiple EU novels. Handwaving by saying but the Empire retook Coruscant one time is silly
He says it's one of several reasons. Although he never gives more than one other reason, his reservations about Mon Mothma. It's made clear that Mon Mothma is the main reason
Never said the Empire was paste-eating retarded
Never said the Empire was dumb
Never said the Empire was weak and feeble
That doesn't square with what Pellaeon says multiple times and his actions in the HoT duology and NJO
Never said the NR had the strength to wipe out the Empire and that is never even hinted at in the EU
Never said the NR could have wiped out the Empire though. It's said multiple times in the EU by people like Wedge that the war with the Empire could take decades
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The New Republic lost the fucking capital of the galaxy to the Empire. That doesn't just show they regained their morale, but that the Empire had the balls and the strength to retake the fucking capital of the galaxy from the Republic. Just like with anything, morale and military strength goes up and down as the time goes forward. It isn't set in stone.
Fuck, just look at the Vong War. During the early years, the New Republic's morale was utter shit, which explains why the Vong were able to take so much turf from them, but once the Vong started losing, once the galaxy started seeing the Vong bleed, the NR/Galactic Alliance morale went back up, until they took Yuuzhan'tar from the Vong and once again reclaimed the galaxy.
But that still shows the Rebels were losing most of the Galactic Civil War, if that was one of the reasons Garm didn't join.
You were pretty much implying that, by saying that all the Empire did was lose after ROTJ and the Thrawn Trilogy/Dark Empire books. When in reality, that wasn't the case; it was a see-saw struggle where both parties won and lost certain battles, until they could fight no more and signed a peace that allowed the Empire to walk off scot-free.
Pellaeon openly justifies signing the treaty to the Moffs by saying that they can preserve the New Order by signing the treaty, and once the New Republic self-destructs, they'd be in a position to regain power. That is literally his selling point to the Imperial high command.
And that exactly is what ends up happening. The Galactic Alliance self-destructs when their plan to use Vongforming biotech to restore wounded worlds backfires on them, (thanks to Sith interference) and the Empire uses that outrage as justification for war, and the Empire soundly crushes the Galactic Alliance and wipes them out. The only thing left of the Alliance, ironically enough, is a warlord state ruled by an admiral. So the Empire did succeed, and Pellaeon's plan worked.
And it was a war the New Republic couldn't afford; over-stretched as they were, barely able to patrol their own sectors. Again, their largest fleet number, according to the books themselves, was 5 fleets of 500 ships each; that includes small ships like corvettes and frigates, as well as larger ships like the Mon Calamari Cruisers. The Empire at the time had 200 Imperial-class Star Destroyers left, alongside an unknown number of support ships, frigates, and cruisers. Considering that the New Republic ships that could stand toe-to-toe with an ISD would be their larger and more powerful ships that weren't all that common, they obviously could not afford a protracted war, and they wisely signed the peace treaty.
Even though the NR controlled more sectors, their fleet numbers were probably around the same as the Empire around the time of the treaty. So they had more to lose if the war went on. Especially since their forces were overstretched and had to protect a territory that's at least half the size of the Empire at its height, if not more. And they barely had 2500 capital ships to patrol all that turf. Some of their worlds don't even have capital ships defending them, only snub fighter garrisons that raiding corvettes or frigates can destroy. The treaty wasn't something signed out of mercy, but of necessity. A continued war would break the New Republic.
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Welp, that might be the worst three hours of television I've seen in my life. The opening was promising, but it ended up being here's the spic being the only intelligent character in the room, marriage is bad and men are evil, and illegals are victims who deserve our sympathy and just want to work. Then they gave us a "rape" scene with the only hot character in the show and they couldn't even be assed to let her show some skin for that. Then they used it for muh wahmen empowerment bs. Genuinely awful. I don't get how this boring ass liberal propaganda gets so much love, even from so called conservatives. Shocked Cassian didn't stop halfway through to fellate his nigger captor and tell him that it's okay because the Hutts own slaves. Also Chandrila looks nothing like it did in Rogue Squadron which easily mogs the hell out of this absolute garbage fucking show. Anyone who enjoys this drivel should shoot themselves so they stop taking up precious oxygen.
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I just started watching, and the first scene has a fatty crying at the magical spic. And when I say fat, I mean she looks like a Tellytubby
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The Imperial Remnant at the time of the treaty controlled eight sectors with one major shipyard at Yaga Minor. The territory of the Empire at its height comprised 1,024 sectors. If in reality civilization was at Star Wars' technological level, with as many populated systems as the SW galaxy has, human or alien, even out in the boonies like Pellaeon's eight sectors were, the Imperial Remnant at the start of Hand of Thrawn could probably support way more than 2500 capital warships. But this is Star Wars where fleets are kept in the dozens or hundreds of capital ships, not the thousands or tens of thousands or even more (until NJO anyway). The Imperial Remnant was pushed out to the edge of Wild Space, there is no way it could realistically compete with the New Republic
I'll have you know if you keep denouncing me for alleged defeatism I'm going to report you to Commission for the Preservation of the New Order, the Imperial Security Bureau, and Imperial Intelligence. Being all agent provocateury trying to divide loyal sons of the Empire. ngl you're probably Rebel scum
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Not quite. The Empire had millions of warships at its height and 25,000 Star Destroyers. The NR controls at least half that turf, maybe even more, and they could easily muster at least half a million warships and 10,000 Mon Calamari cruisers with the wealth of the Core Worlds and the resources of the Outer Rim. They just didn't, because it'd look bad if they taxed the people for more military spending. They literally crippled themselves for the sake of PR.
And yes, the Imperial Remnant could support more than 2,500 ships. That is why the Empire is still a major player; even as weakened as they are, they can muster a fleet bigger than the NR can, because they're willing to spend more on the military, so that small number of sectors is more than enough for them, when their enemy barely has 2,500 ships that are spread across what is at least half the Empire's turf, a turf that the Empire had to patrol with 25,000 ISDs and millions of capital ships.
I am a student of the Living Force. I report to a higher power that makes the Emperor look like a high school dropout. He only bothered to learn half the curriculum, which led to his downfall. And the Rebels are beneath me.
All of that sacrifice, all of that blood spilled, all of that fighting, only to install a weak, incompetent government that practically invited its own downfall.
I was entertained, for the most part. I mean, they're trying to make it Game of Thrones in Space, but this is the last season, so I doubt it'll be as bad as Game of Thrones Seasons 7 and 8.
Here are my notes when I watched the episodes in order:
Why the fuck are two mid-ranking Space FBI agents in a room where they're talking about Oppenheimer-level shit? Shouldn't Yularen take their place, and then delegate to them after meeting with Krennic? Not to mention that Tarkin should be there, since this does concern the Weapon. Also, as for the Ghormans, there's more than enough farming worlds that you can set aside for them. Give them large, pre-fab shelters that look like mansions, and enough money to live like millionaires. It's a lot cheaper than sending in a strike force and ass-fucking the planet. Given the importance of Ghorman for the development of the Weapon, it's a cost that's well-worth paying, if they're going to turn Ghorman into fucking Peragus just to get the minerals needed for the Death Star.
Also, Ferrix should've ended with Dedra Meero getting sacked, at the very least. That was her op, and it blew up in her face. She had to be saved by a former corpo-cop, and the target escaped. Usually, the Imperials deal with that by demotion or execution. Dedra would've faced something in between; probably a meeting with an Inquisitor who chokes her with the Force to show that the Empire doesn't tolerate failure, then the Empire gives her another chance with a firm pat on the back, that means she's going to get vaporized or worse if she fails again. A socialite like Orson Krennic would be looking down at her and laughing at her face, not asking her for advice.
Speaking of Dedra, she is still horribly clueless about the Empire's culture. She built up the Axis myth, then produced nothing in result. If this was the old Empire from the SWEU, she'd have been sacked, demoted, or executed by now. Partagaz is correct; it's actually a better thing for her that the Ghorman Project is there. That's an easy win for her to redeem herself in the Empire's eyes. She already knows what to do (make the Ghormans look bad before taking their shit) and it's something that can't evade her. As opposed to Axis, (Luthen) who keeps evading her without even trying. He's more worried about a TIE prototype that didn't come in time than evading her.
Mon's husband sounds like an Imperial. "He was always weak." At this point, he should be showing up to that party with an Imperial Officer uniform.
They let Bix out on her own fixing things while Imperials are marching around and taking a census of things? Are they really that stupid? She should've been placed somewhere safe and accompanied by the other farmers to keep her from having an "episode" after the Imperials mind-fucked her last time.
Syril Karn is doing well. A high-paying civilian job, an ISB chick in the house, he's made it, at this point. And his woman has the backbone he lacks to stand up to his mum. He really lucked out getting Dedra as his woman.
More Rakatan lore. The banker dude introduced a statue that was stolen when the Rakatans sacked Chandrila 25,000 years ago. Someone on Gilroy's team is a KOTOR fan.
Tay crashing out is the most unexpected thing in these episodes. Damn. They need to learn from the Jedi how not to let your emotions wreck you.
Mixing army troopers with Stormtroopers still shows some good Imperial diversity. It's a good thing to not make every bad guy a Stormtrooper, otherwise the Stormies lose their flavor.
I was right about Bix. Now the Imperial officer leading the inspection is dead. If it wasn't for Cassian's timely arrival with the TIE Avenger prototype, they'd all be dead.
Also, Ferrix should've ended with Dedra Meero getting sacked, at the very least. That was her op, and it blew up in her face. She had to be saved by a former corpo-cop, and the target escaped. Usually, the Imperials deal with that by demotion or execution. Dedra would've faced something in between; probably a meeting with an Inquisitor who chokes her with the Force to show that the Empire doesn't tolerate failure, then the Empire gives her another chance with a firm pat on the back, that means she's going to get vaporized or worse if she fails again. A socialite like Orson Krennic would be looking down at her and laughing at her face, not asking her for advice.
Speaking of Dedra, she is still horribly clueless about the Empire's culture. She built up the Axis myth, then produced nothing in result. If this was the old Empire from the SWEU, she'd have been sacked, demoted, or executed by now. Partagaz is correct; it's actually a better thing for her that the Ghorman Project is there. That's an easy win for her to redeem herself in the Empire's eyes. She already knows what to do (make the Ghormans look bad before taking their shit) and it's something that can't evade her. As opposed to Axis, (Luthen) who keeps evading her without even trying. He's more worried about a TIE prototype that didn't come in time than evading her.
Mon's husband sounds like an Imperial. "He was always weak." At this point, he should be showing up to that party with an Imperial Officer uniform.
They let Bix out on her own fixing things while Imperials are marching around and taking a census of things? Are they really that stupid? She should've been placed somewhere safe and accompanied by the other farmers to keep her from having an "episode" after the Imperials mind-fucked her last time.
Syril Karn is doing well. A high-paying civilian job, an ISB chick in the house, he's made it, at this point. And his woman has the backbone he lacks to stand up to his mum. He really lucked out getting Dedra as his woman.
More Rakatan lore. The banker dude introduced a statue that was stolen when the Rakatans sacked Chandrila 25,000 years ago. Someone on Gilroy's team is a KOTOR fan.
Tay crashing out is the most unexpected thing in these episodes. Damn. They need to learn from the Jedi how not to let your emotions wreck you.
Mixing army troopers with Stormtroopers still shows some good Imperial diversity. It's a good thing to not make every bad guy a Stormtrooper, otherwise the Stormies lose their flavor.
I was right about Bix. Now the Imperial officer leading the inspection is dead. If it wasn't for Cassian's timely arrival with the TIE Avenger prototype, they'd all be dead.
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GlupShitto
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Honestly I'd forgive 90% of my problems if we'd gotten to see Bix's tits, but making the least sexy rape scene in history made it unforgivable IMHO.
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That scene had me rooting for the Space Hippo.
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You are fucked in the head and I see the pink triangle was well deserved. What kind of rape is sexy?
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...the eight sectors of the Outer Rim territory on the edge of Wild Space that the Remnant controlled in 18ABY had a stronger military force than the entire New Republic which controlled about half the galaxy outside the Unknown Regions uh-huh...
The Imperial Remnant had 3x-4x the territory in 13ABY than it had in 18ABY, which begs the question of how it managed to lose 65-75% of its territory to the New Republic, losing two major campaigns (in 14 and 17ABY), in that time if it had a larger military force. In the second campaign in 17ABY the Remnant even allied with Daala's independent Deep Core Imperial forces which should have given it an even bigger edge over the New Republic, Daala still got decimated by Bel Iblis' Fourth Fleet and then Pellaeon's forces were badly beaten in five separate engagements in a row by the combined units of the Third, Fourth, and Fifth New Republic Fleets. It's canon that the entire Imperial Remnant fleet ISD-class and larger at the start of NJO was about 200 ISDs and 1 SSD
You're missing that the five numbered NR Fleets were not the only warships the NR had access to. Thousands of singular systems, and interstellar confederations, that were part of the NR had home defense fleets, ranging from a rickety corvette or two to places like Mon Calamari or the Hapes Cluster that had dozens to hundreds (or more) large capital ships. These forces could be added to the official NR fleet command if needed. They are how order was maintained in the galaxy without the Coruscant-centered government having 25,000 ISDs like the Empire had at its height. The Empire took control of the home defense fleets right after its establishment and disbanded them or folded them into the Imperial Navy. They came back into existence with the NR. Fleets like the Dornian Navy (~80 capital ships iirc). The things you say bear no relation to any canon except the one in your head
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So the first three episodes of Andor get a solid meh. It's like someone asked ChatGPT to write the script. Half of the 3rd episode was some cunt having a mental breakdown while taking part in a space rave. Not sure why...
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MAS AMEDDA DID NOTHING WRONG
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British writer, please understand.
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All this hype and we get three filler episodes. Why did we have to spend 2 whole episodes with those retard unstable BIPOCs on space hippo planet?
I nearly spit out my drink laughing when they started raving or whatever. It's like a child trying to act adult.
I nearly spit out my drink laughing when they started raving or whatever. It's like a child trying to act adult.
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Hayden's a good egg. I hate the fact that he came out of retirement to play Anakin for these lot of gaggle fucks who most likely don't understand his character at all. Sigh. Star Wars is fuckin' dead.