Tesla Hate Thread - oh and come seethe about EVs in general with me

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Everything's computer.
That means it's just one software glitch away from being inoperable.

And malfunctions could also mean an accident just waiting to happen.

Someone should make an EV where everything except the power delivery/engine systems are analog.
Until -- and if -- better batteries than lithium ion are developed, I still wouldn't want an EV even then. They are a big fire hazard.
 
Someone should make an EV where everything except the power delivery/engine systems are analog. Manual gear shift and clutch, mechanical steering, the power encoder just treats the gas pedal as a simple 0-100% jog, and the brakes are all old analog design mechanical-only parts. Basically, take an old 1980s truck, remove the fuel system and combustion motor, replace it with a battery/charger system and electrical motor and retrofit all the other analog/mechanical parts to work with it.
That would be an awesome system and would look so classy. And have physical knobs and buttons for the radio
 
It seems like a cool idea on paper but with the way that EV power-trains are generally built to work in sync with an electric motor and its computers, it wouldn't be so easy to fit into a traditional car seamlessly.

Not only would there be complications in the complexity of the build, but the fact that it wouldn't have a need for a clutch, gears, or anything truly mechanical, this will bring more issues than what it solves. Emulating analog control is all you can have and even the manufacturers don't bother with it most of the time.

That's why with many EV conversions of older vehicles, they just replace as much of the internals as possible and it becomes a different car entirely. It's the Ship of Theseus paradox at work, if you get what I mean.

At this point, PHEVs and other hybrids are basically what you're looking for in being half-mechanical, half-electrical. And we know that those are very difficult to work on for longevity compared to the simplicity of EVs within every aspect, at least in theory.
 
It seems like a cool idea on paper but with the way that EV power-trains are generally built to work in sync with an electric motor and its computers, it wouldn't be so easy to fit into a traditional car seamlessly.
What about if it used a proper cambus and computers as needed, but all the interior controls were analogue or at least 80's red LEDs aesthetic with the brakes and gas pedal being as close to analog as possible?
 
Why not make a electric car that has an engine that moves pistons like a combustion engine would.

It would create a sound and still make it a visceral experience.

For reference watch any video of a electricity powered LEGO engine.


You get all the benefits of a electric car + you would get gearheads attentions as well.

And it would certainly help to make your electric car stand out.

Range would be shorter but people don‘t buy Ferraris because they‘re practical.

As long as the vehicle can cause a ‚emotion‘ then customers will buy.

Seriously?!

After 15 years of Tesla blowing up the market, billions of dollars spent on research and thousands of ‚smart‘ people working on how to make electric cars attractive…

Not ONE of these car companies with 100+ years of experience has thought of that?

Have they all accepted their fate that they never will be able to beat Tesla on value for $?
 
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I went to a car show that had both vintage cars and EVs present.

I liked the look of those vintage cars much better than the EVs.
i liked the concept car hyundai did of taking an 80s grandeur and making it an ev
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like this is way better than a cybertruck will ever be
 
i liked the concept car hyundai did of taking an 80s grandeur and making it an ev
I like those mid-20th century car designs that look all rocketship-ish and use manual controls and analog gauges. No computers needed.
 
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Someone should make an EV where everything except the power delivery/engine systems are analog. Manual gear shift and clutch, mechanical steering, the power encoder just treats the gas pedal as a simple 0-100% jog, and the brakes are all old analog design mechanical-only parts. Basically, take an old 1980s truck, remove the fuel system and combustion motor, replace it with a battery/charger system and electrical motor and retrofit all the other analog/mechanical parts to work with it.
People do this with kits fairly frequently.


Tesla is being sued for using algorithms to drive the odometers instead of mechanical means and thus inflating the odometers to get out of warranty coverage faster. Big if true.

I've been wondering if Musk's political heel turn would result in Tesla's immunity from following the same rules everyone else does would evaporate.
 
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Audi, in partnership with SAIC, will be revamping its brand for the Chinese market, dropping their signature four (ONION) rings logo for just their name in ALL CAPS, with the Chinese-market E5 Sportback. / Archive

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And as usual with Chinese cars, it has the usual generic exterior look, and tech is the heavy focus with the bragged about (although its usually worst in real-life) LiDAR systems, and EXTREMELY LARGE infotainment screens with almost no physical controls. And given how Chinese car companies are trying to expand overseas, expect this model to be forced down people's throats in the future.

What I want to know, is do Chinese people actually like the GIANT ASS infotainment screen setup in almost EVERY Chinese car available today, or do they only get those cars because China incentivizes getting EVs over traditional ICE cars?
 
Uneducated opinion. I’ve no idea how good the LIDAR on this particular car is, but anything beats Tesla’s worst-in-class performance.
That video is fake and he turns off the self-driving before hitting the wall. It’s literally an ad for a lidar company.

As the Chinese lidar videos show, having lidar isn’t a silver bullet.

Really the only “self-driving” car that actually works is Waymo. None of the consumer cars come close.
 
Luminar didn't sponsor the video.
Just because they didn’t pay him in cash doesn’t mean it isn’t sponsored. YouTube has a category for sponsorship called “exclusive access” which that video definetly falls under.
That article admits that he did multiple takes and used the non-self driving cruise control.

Tesla had a lot of problems, but clickbait YouTubers are not a good source.
 
That video is fake and he turns off the self-driving before hitting the wall. It’s literally an ad for a lidar company.

As the Chinese lidar videos show, having lidar isn’t a silver bullet.

Really the only “self-driving” car that actually works is Waymo. None of the consumer cars come close.
It doesn’t change the fact that you still need both good LIDAR and good cameras. Just one of the two isn’t enough. Simply put you need LIDAR to look for obstacles, and cameras to determine traffic rules and when to ignore an obstacle. If LIDAR spots something laying on the road, it just knows there’s an obstruction. Cameras can determine whether it’s, say, a rock (in which case you need to stop) or a plastic bag (in which case you can proceed). The Chinese vehicles you’re complaining about have good LIDAR, but haven’t trained their obstacle detection system to allow the car to ignore certain obstacles, which is where the hilarious videos of cars emergency stopping for birds or garbage bags come from. Teslas on the other hand only use cameras, so something as simple as glare can blind you in an entire 120 degree arc (very bad if that happens to be forward), and it will never be as safe as a car with both LIDAR and cameras (or even a human), because it has no depth perception.

Tesla didn’t cut ranging sensors (RADAR in their case, I don’t think they ever used LIDAR), because they were ”useless” like Musk said, they did it to save money. Tesla is all about making as cheap a car as possible, as you will quickly notice if you ever sit in one. The door handles are electric because that’s cheaper. You get a touchscreen instead of buttons because that’s cheaper. The interior panels have huge gaps because that’s cheaper. The body is glued together because that’s cheaper. The FSD is dangerously unsafe because LIDAR would cost more and Musk’s reputation with the fanboys is (was) such that all he needed to do to convince them to shill for an obviously unsafe product was say ”trust me bro”.
 
Why not make a electric car that has an engine that moves pistons like a combustion engine would.
...because that would be retarded. Electric motors produce rotational motion directly, why use electric rotational motion to power pistons for reciprocating motion to power a crankshaft to convert it back to rotational motion?
Although you can make electric motors sound interesting, like large turbo spools or scifi vehicles, by not having sound insulation and designing the engine compartment to resonate the sound better.
 
why use electric rotational motion to power pistons for reciprocating motion to power a crankshaft to convert it back to rotational motion?

Is it more retarded than driving oversized trucks or SUVs to go grocery shopping once a week?
Is it more retarded than driving a 700 HP sport sedan on the highway with 90 miles/hr?

It's not logical.
But it's emotional.
It's FUN!

Because the electric car market consists of rideable smartphones that go "Whoosh" when you accelerate but offer no feedback other than a maybe a .mp3 file that plays.

There is no drama.
There is no passion.
There is no "Wow this car is ALIVE!"

But I can put a electric V10 in a Audi R8 and still have the sound, speed and 0 emissions.

It's a compromise that makes everyone happy, even the *gulp* EU.

And in a electric car market that seems like it has already stagnated - why not try something new?
Electric cars are already not selling.
What do they have to lose?
 
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