Tesla Hate Thread - oh and come seethe about EVs in general with me

[Fae Supremacist]

Electric cars are already not selling.

They do where it matters (China).

Because the electric car market consists of rideable smartphones that go "Whoosh" when you accelerate but offer no feedback other than a maybe a .mp3 file that plays.

There's nothing stopping you from making a piston engine that uses electrically driven coils. Except you lose every benefit of electric (instantaneous torque, great handling, single gear transmission, high efficiency, few moving parts) and gain nothing except superficial aesthetics like sound and a manual transmission.
It's an idea without a market, utilitarian electric car drivers won't like it, and muscle car enthusiasts will call it gay and lame.

 

[RandomGibberish]

They do where it matters (China).

There's nothing stopping you from making a piston engine that uses electrically driven coils. Except you lose every benefit of electric (instantaneous torque, great handling, single gear transmission, high efficiency, few moving parts) and gain nothing except superficial aesthetics like sound and a manual transmission.
It's an idea without a market, utilitarian electric car drivers won't like it, and muscle car enthusiasts will call it gay and lame.

"If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." - Henry Ford

If people could predict what customers want then every company would be a gorillion dollar company.

I think as a halo car it could work or as a concept car.

See how people react and then release it as a limited edition to the ultra rich like the AMG One.

 

[The Ugly One]

That article admits that he did multiple takes

i see you're new to the concept of videos

Teslas on the other hand only use cameras, so something as simple as glare can blind you in an entire 120 degree arc

Never have a single-point failure system that can be defeated by dust.

 

[seri0us]

2027 Slate Truck EV Will Be Very Customizable, Priced Under $28,000 (archive)

 

[Thiletonomics]

With the Shanghai Auto Show concluded, many more ugly Chinese EV models have been revealed:

BYD's Denza Z, aka a rip-off Lamborghini:



Toyota bZ7



Yangwang U8L



Onvo L90



Mazda EZ-60



2026 Lexus ES, which comes in both Hybrid and BEV. Lexus is also using the same Chinese car minimalist interior on the new ES too:



Voyah FREE+



Chery Tiggo 9L SUV



Honda GT, which comes in two variants that are built by either GAC or Dongfeng:

I'm having one right now. That fat-arsed range rover knock-off is NOT an MG.

Indeed. I used to own one of the last MG's. The TF, which I loved as a 'my first sportscar'

The "MG" Cyber X turned out to be even worse with the reveal:



The looks and name of this "MG" must have been deliberately chosen to throw shade at Elon Musk so hard that he has multiple aneurysms.

I also saw this article about Chinese car interiors and why they're designed with their BIG ASS screens, but I find it hard to believe that the Chinese think of their cars as a "living space". China having a younger driving culture (IIRC, Chinese weren't allowed to drive and own cars until something like the 1980s or 1990s) probably contributes to drivers being more attracted to tech, and them not realizing that when the screen inevitably fails, that's over $10k or even $20k+ to fix it.

 

[1994 Honda Civic]

I'm really glad most of these are never coming to the States.

If there was ever a defined tacky series of vehicles, China's car market wins in every regard possible. I don't get the people shilling for these, even on here. Glorified smartphones on wheels in the most literal sense it can be taken, I'm telling you..

 

[DavidS877]

2027 Slate Truck EV Will Be Very Customizable, Priced Under $28,000 (archive)

Finally those people who want a Kei truck have something. Short range, limited capacity, low power.

 

[Burnt Effigy]

Toyota bZ7

Toyota clearly hates electrics (the bZ4X is the worst mainstream EV, period), so I doubt this actually is a toyota.
This looks like Huawei just wanted to make a VW ID.7 clone and slap a fancy brand on it.

2027 Slate Truck EV Will Be Very Customizable, Priced Under $28,000 (archive)

What is it with these cheap EV companies and not having any level of entertainment system, not even basic radio, but like, "quirky" customization?
The fucking maverick compared in the article has five seats, a bed, actual fucking speakers, AC, power windows, actual sound deadening, all of that for literally the same price.

This is basically a souped up golf cart with shit range, even worse build quality, and no comfort, but it has muh batteries.
I can't wait for the news articles about this company being mysteriously in debt with not enough vehicle sales and nobody understands why because it was "such a good concept" and it was "going so well".

 

[Car Won't Crank]

The looks and name of this "MG" must have been deliberately chosen to throw shade at Elon Musk so hard that he has multiple aneurysms.

I also saw this article about Chinese car interiors and why they're designed with their BIG ASS screens, but I find it hard to believe that the Chinese think of their cars as a "living space". China having a younger driving culture (IIRC, Chinese weren't allowed to drive and own cars until something like the 1980s or 1990s) probably contributes to drivers being more attracted to tech, and them not realizing that when the screen inevitably fails, that's over $10k or even $20k+ to fix it.

The screen stuff is a trend the Chinese are piggybacking off Tesla. It's gaudy as far as interior design goes, but the tech that the Chinese are developing in terms of EV powertrains and batteries is way ahead of what the west has. I don't think Chinese EV development is anything to scoff at. I'd say the Shanghai auto show has more interesting developments than any auto show in the US as of recently.

I don't get the people shilling for these, even on here. Glorified smartphones on wheels in the most literal sense it can be taken, I'm telling you..

The Chinese simply have more development and tech in the way of EVs in terms of quality and performance to price.

 

[quaawaa]

The Chinese simply have more development and tech in the way of EVs in terms of quality and performance to price.

American EVs have crappy brakes, non-deploying airbags, and collapsing seats:

and catch on fire:

unlike high-quality Chinese EVs.

 

[Thiletonomics]

Toyota clearly hates electrics (the bZ4X is the worst mainstream EV, period), so I doubt this actually is a toyota.
This looks like Huawei just wanted to make a VW ID.7 clone and slap a fancy brand on it.

All of these non-Chinese branded EVs are just Chinese cars with non-Chinese brand logos.

 

[1994 Honda Civic]

I don't know about that one cause there's some doubt in your claims, Crank. How did China manage to figure out how to build them? They sure wouldn't have gotten to making them if Tesla, GM, and other manufacturers weren't also experimenting around with it.

Not to say that I don't believe you entirely but considering that it's been known that Tesla's trade secrets are out in the Eastern homeland and in current use, I don't think any possible timeline could have China be the first in introducing a somewhat affordable EV first before the States. What have they done that us Westerners couldn't do other than splatter the dashboard with a shit load of computer monitors?

 

[quaawaa]

Another video showcasing China's world-leading cars:

Source (Archive)

 

[Car Won't Crank]

American EVs have crappy brakes, non-deploying airbags, and collapsing seats:

and catch on fire:

unlike high-quality Chinese EVs.

American EVs have their share of issues too, but they're currently lagging behind in progress. Both Chinese and western EVs have their share of high profile incidents, but the main leader in the development of EV tech including that of batteries is currently the Chinese. Even Stellantis is working with a Chinese company to add solid state batteries in their next lineup of EVs. A handful of youtube videos showing some EV fails doesn't deny the rapid growth going on in China with EVs.

All of these non-Chinese branded EVs are just Chinese cars with non-Chinese brand logos.

The fact there's a lot of badge engineering going on as legacy automakers adapt Chinese ODM EVs only shows just how much more China has invested in EVs.

I don't know about that one cause there's some doubt in your claims, Crank. How did China manage to figure out how to build them? They sure wouldn't have gotten to making them if Tesla, GM, and other manufacturers weren't also experimenting around with it.

Not to say that I don't believe you entirely but considering that it's been known that Tesla's trade secrets are out in the Eastern homeland and in current use, I don't think any possible timeline could have China be the first in introducing a somewhat affordable EV first before the States. What have they done that us Westerners couldn't do other than splatter the dashboard with a shit load of computer monitors?

Tesla might have been the first to make EVs palatable to the general public, but currently it's pretty clear the Chinese have surpassed them in quality and afforadibiity. Whether tech was stolen from the west or not, I don't doubt China has the technical ability to make homegrown EVs considering how they're the leader in consumer/prosumer drones from the likes of DJI. Electronics manufacturing and motor control is something they're just really good at, which happens to have lots of overlap with tech used in EVs.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Chinese EVs, American EVs, I think they all suck.

They need to get less computerized and flammable.

 

[Freedom Fighter]

Chinese EVs, American EVs, I think they all suck.

They need to get less computerized and flammable.

REJECT MODERNITY
RETURN TO TRADITION

 

[ToroidalBoat]

[pic]

Is that an early EV?

(also pic looks sorta like "Johnny The Truck" from asdfmovie)

 

[Freedom Fighter]

Is that an early EV?

(also pic looks sorta like "Johnny The Truck" from asdfmovie)

Sebring-Vanguard Citicar, 1974-1977.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Sebring-Vanguard Citicar, 1974-1977.

At least it can't explode, unlike Current Year EVs?

 

[Thiletonomics]

Xiaomi rolled out a software update for the Xiaomi SU7 Ultra to software cap the car to ~900 horsepower (it has 1548 horsepower), which can only be removed by completing a qualifying lap on an approved race track. It also adds a 60 second cooldown on it's launch control feature. / Archive

However, Xiaomi quickly reverted those changes due to mass owner outcry. On one hand, software capping car features is a dumbass thing to do. (and car makers do that to lock certain features behind paywalls) But on the other hand, drivers don't seem to understand that training with a 1500 horsepower battery missile like the SU7 Ultra is needed so that you don't throw away your ~$73k "car" by crashing it, and also to protect the safety of the driver and others, even moreso after the fatal Xiaomi SU7 crash that happened in March.