Tesla Hate Thread - oh and come seethe about EVs in general with me

[Betonhaus]

Xiaomi has gotten some controversy with their decision to use consumer-grade chips in their new YU7 SUV. / Archive

Remember that Tesla did the same thing with their cars, which lead to things such as melting infotainment screens, and the recall they had to do because the RAM (?) chip would run out of space, which would make the computer system inoperable.

The Li Auto i8's interior has been revealed, and it will have a screen ON THE STEERING WHEEL, which doesn't look safe: / Archive

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It's away from the airbag so it'll probably be fine. It looks interesting at least.

 

[Thiletonomics]

Subaru has revealed their new EV, the Uncharted, which is a rebadge of Toyota's relaunched C-HR, and that is a sloped back reskin of their bZ EV:



And oddly enough, the Uncharted will be offered in FWD and AWD trims, while the C-HR is AWD-only. I do also wonder if Neil Druckmann is involved somehow with this car's development too...

 

[ToroidalBoat]

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I think I would rather buy Tesla. And I don't even like electric cars.

 

[Betonhaus]

I just want an analog electric car. or at least one designed to look and feel like one.

 

[DavidS877]

I just want an analog electric car. or at least one designed to look and feel like one.

You're likely going to have to go with a retrofit. I know there are places shoving Tesla motors in traditional cars, and I thought GM was coming out with a crate EV motor you could drop in a 'normal' car. Looks like it still exists, battery is pretty small.
Too bad they made the sample fucking ugly.

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2020/11/lingenfelter-performance-is-first-gm-ecrate-powertrains-certified-installer/

 

[Uber driver reviewer]

Just hit 150k mile mark on my 3.5 year old Model 3 Dual motor.

No problems at all. It’s getting its 3rd set of summer tires on Monday, it’s held up remarkably well, even cosmetics are mostly fine except for normal road wear from sand/pebbles. The battery range is not noticeably degraded. And the battery gets a full 100% charge over the suggested 80% (recommended for longevity) at least once a week out of necessity.

I Still love it. Self driving keeps me out of trouble. And it is an absolute surgeon in slicing through traffic. Never had a problem with charging or having enough power to get home. And rarely do it outside of overnight at home.

I am toying with trading it in for a new Model Y as the 3 is a bitch to get things (and yourself) in and out of the 3 compared to the taller Y’s hatch and more upright cargo area that we are always in and out of. But the Y doesn’t seem to have the range that I need. The 3 is already stretching it in regards to range. (Realistically getting about 20-30% less than the 358ish mile advertised, but our “typical” driving conditions are at 70+ or even 80+ mph and with lots of hills)

Otherwise, I’ll just keep driving the shit out of the 3 until it doesn’t make practical financial sense anymore. It’s not like it’s worth anything as a trade-in (but what still holds meaningful trade-in value at 150k miles besides diesel pickups and Toyota/Lexus Landcruiser / LX?)


Good experience. AYEBLUSS. Would buy again. But I can see how it’s not for everyone and how things can get frustrating when they go bad.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

Just hit 150k mile mark on my 3.5 year old Model 3 Dual motor.

No problems at all. It’s getting its 3rd set of summer tires on Monday, it’s held up remarkably well, even cosmetics are mostly fine except for normal road wear from sand/pebbles. The battery range is not noticeably degraded. And the battery gets a full 100% charge over the suggested 80% (recommended for longevity) at least once a week out of necessity.

I Still love it. Self driving keeps me out of trouble. And it is an absolute surgeon in slicing through traffic. Never had a problem with charging or having enough power to get home. And rarely do it outside of overnight at home.

I am toying with trading it in for a new Model Y as the 3 is a bitch to get things (and yourself) in and out of the 3 compared to the taller Y’s hatch and more upright cargo area that we are always in and out of. But the Y doesn’t seem to have the range that I need. The 3 is already stretching it in regards to range. (Realistically getting about 20-30% less than the 358ish mile advertised, but our “typical” driving conditions are at 70+ or even 80+ mph and with lots of hills)

Otherwise, I’ll just keep driving the shit out of the 3 until it doesn’t make practical financial sense anymore. It’s not like it’s worth anything as a trade-in (but what still holds meaningful trade-in value at 150k miles besides diesel pickups and Toyota/Lexus Landcruiser / LX?)


Good experience. AYEBLUSS. Would buy again. But I can see how it’s not for everyone and how things can get frustrating when they go bad.

The hardest thing about Tesla ownership is telling your parents that you're gay.

 

[anklyscr]

and yourself

deathfat confirmed

 

[Uber driver reviewer]

deathfat confirmed

. The stuff I need to frequently get in and out of the trunk is a bitch because the trunk is long and deep, where I need more of a crossover hatch space.

I’m not fat. It’s a bitch to get in an out of because I’m in my 40’s and often sore or moving slow from 4x week workouts. If I skip workouts and recover more, it’s still low but not difficult.

Getting in and out of a performance model 3 is like getting in and out of a 911. And it’s about the same seating position with very little hood/bonnet ahead of you.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

What exactly should be done with Tesla? The stock is still worth more than it was pre-election. I think the whole hot potato should be sold to GM or Ford while it's still worth something.

Elon Musk Reportedly Told TSMC’s Chairman In A Recent Secret Meeting That Optimus Robots – Not Cars – Are Tesla’s Future
Tesla’s Dojo 2 Supercomputer Chip Enters Mass Production

A full pivot to Optimus robots might work. Not because it would have more than a slim chance of succeeding, I'm not saying that, but because slim is better than nothing. General purpose robots are a potential multi-trillion dollar untapped market with lots of government customers, the potential for new waves of unwarranted hype, and prototypes and toys as competition. Tesla competes against all the ICE cars from automakers, and its EV turf is being invaded too. Tesla isn't getting significant government contracts for its vehicles (note the $400 million armored Tesla fail from February).

If Tesla stays the course and survives beyond the Trump administration (while Elon continues to beef with it), and doubles its market cap or something, then I guess I was alarmist.

 

[The Ugly One]

Good experience. AYEBLUSS. Would buy again. But I can see how it’s not for everyone and how things can get frustrating when they go bad.

normies get out reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

 

[CaptainAutism69]

Getting in and out of a performance model 3 is like sliding in and out of a man

fixed that for you fatty

 

[TJT]

I only hate Teslas because only pajeets seem to drive them.

 

[The Ugly One]

A full pivot to Optimus robots might work. Not because it would have more than a slim chance of succeeding, I'm not saying that, but because slim is better than nothing. General purpose robots are a potential multi-trillion dollar untapped market with lots of government customers, the potential for new waves of unwarranted hype, and prototypes and toys as competition.

I don't think so. Let's just say he gets Optimus kind of mostly working. What you now have is a luxury item--a luxury because there is absolutely nothing this thing does that is necessary--that will cost about as much as a car. There is no way they will get this under $30K, and I wouldn't be surprised to see a price tag closer to $50K. Keep in mind what high-end home appliances cost. A washing machine can cost $2K, and a fridge can cost $10K. No, you're not building & supporting a robot for the price of a shitty Maytag. This is aside from the durability. Tesla needs to sell tens millions of these things every year to justify its share price. They're going to sell maybe tens of thousands if they're lucky.

 

[Uber driver reviewer]

I don't think so. Let's just say he gets Optimus kind of mostly working. What you now have is a luxury item--a luxury because there is absolutely nothing this thing does that is necessary--that will cost about as much as a car. There is no way they will get this under $30K, and I wouldn't be surprised to see a price tag closer to $50K. Keep in mind what high-end home appliances cost. A washing machine can cost $2K, and a fridge can cost $10K. No, you're not building & supporting a robot for the price of a shitty Maytag. This is aside from the durability. Tesla needs to sell tens millions of these things every year to justify its share price. They're going to sell maybe tens of thousands if they're lucky.

I bet insurance companies buy them for live-in caretakers for deathfats. There will be grants for every elementary school to buy one. Fast food chains will buy them. Then there will be a used market for prior gen versions.

Once you get Clank down to about $25-$30k, I could see a lot of people buying one just to have a slavebot. $10k-$12k is when the middle class gets them. Also, there could be monthly finance schemes to lease clank. Lots of people that shouldn’t, pay over $300/mo for cable TV. I bet that they will pay about the same for this.

I only hate Teslas because only pajeets seem to drive them.

True. I can’t get an open charger at the office anymore because they’ve all been jeeted. It’s a bit annoying. Then they coordinate with other jeets when they move their cars off of the chargers. Before 2024 I could get an open charger pretty much any day of the week.

 

[teriyakiburns]

I don't think so. Let's just say he gets Optimus kind of mostly working. What you now have is a luxury item--a luxury because there is absolutely nothing this thing does that is necessary--that will cost about as much as a car. There is no way they will get this under $30K, and I wouldn't be surprised to see a price tag closer to $50K.

He's aiming squarely at automation of places like general warehouses and user service; places where people perform tasks and a specialised, fully-automated production-line process isn't quite viable. One of these robots, assuming it works, should be able replace three shift workers over the course of a day, which means even if it ends up being as expensive to run as it is to pay one of those workers, you still end up saving the ongoing cost of wages for two of them, plus ancillaries. Amazon will be knocking down Tesla's door if they provide find a way to replace the picker-packers in their distribution centres.

 

[The Ugly One]

Once you get Clank down to about $25-$30k, I could see a lot of people buying one just to have a slavebot. $10k-$12k is when the middle class gets them.

If you think the middle class is prone to buying $10K toys, you're either very poor or very rich. We don't even hire a cleaning lady, and we're solidly middle class.

fully-automated production-line process isn't quite viable.

The reason we don't fully automate things, even moving assembly lines where full automation is conceptually trivial, is robots are horrible at dealing with even mild unforeseen events. Fully automated assembly lines tend to suffer very expensive, catastrophic failures when one thing goes wrong, which is why we've actually slightly reduced automation from its peak.

One of these robots, assuming it works, should be able replace three shift workers over the course of a day

Just looking at this robot, I wouldn't expect it to handle industrial 24/7 work for more than a few days without things breaking. Its delicate, tiny servos and actuators would all be shot. Building something similar, but industrial grade, would be 5x-10x more expensive than Optimus (as industrial-grade tools tend to be). An industrial robot, like this one, that stacks things on shelves and does literally nothing else can cost around $60K. A humanoid bot that can stand on a line and run for thousands of hours (a year is just 8,760 hours hours) without being serviced? You're looking at $200K+, easy, and that's extremely optimistic.

Then add in other issues. Optimus moves slowly. It has fragile, articulated fingers. It's unnecessarily expensive because a humanoid shape doesn't naturally balance upright. The first Optimus lead has already left Tesla to found his own factory robot company, and he's not building humanoids.

If the actual expert in robotics who led the project has no faith in this sort of design, that should tell you something. Musk isn't an engineer, and his ideas for automating manufacturing and increasing productivity have pretty much all been failures.

 

[No. 7 cat]

I don't think so. Let's just say he gets Optimus kind of mostly working. What you now have is a luxury item--a luxury because there is absolutely nothing this thing does that is necessary--that will cost about as much as a car. There is no way they will get this under $30K, and I wouldn't be surprised to see a price tag closer to $50K. Keep in mind what high-end home appliances cost. A washing machine can cost $2K, and a fridge can cost $10K. No, you're not building & supporting a robot for the price of a shitty Maytag. This is aside from the durability. Tesla needs to sell tens millions of these things every year to justify its share price. They're going to sell maybe tens of thousands if they're lucky.

Knowing Musk's products, it'll be an over sold scam.

 

[The Ugly One]

Knowing Musk's products, it'll be an over sold scam.

The thing was only announced so he could goose the stock price and distract from FSD being late again.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

CNN: Tesla is about to lose a key source of revenue. It could spell disaster for its financial future (archive) (lite)

Until now, the US — like many governments — has had a credit system to incentivize auto companies to meet environmental regulations. It awarded credits to auto companies that met emissions standards and imposed financial penalties on those that didn’t. For automakers that primarily sell gasoline-powered cars, they could buy credits from automakers that sell low-emission vehicles, like Tesla, to avoid fines they otherwise would have to pay.

For Tesla, regulatory credit sales alone have brought in $10.6 billion since 2019. There are some quarters, like earlier this year, where credit sales exceeded the company’s total net income — meaning the company would have lost money without them.