Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[I'm a Silly]

Can you faggots pls stop having hate boners for the respective countries and focus on Ukraine and its conflict.

The Daily Mail is a dreadful britbong tabloid, but their in the field reporting has been pretty good. This is mostly about drones but it really gives a sense of the overall vibe too.

Get in on the ground floor for this new war profiteering opportunity!

 

[Cpt. Stud Beefpile]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp1WOldD0dk

Ukraine has turned droning ziggers into a reward program/game.

If latency from across the world wasn't such an issue I'd happily volunteer-pilot a few flights.

 

[Ghostse]

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Will the victory parade be really exciting this year?

It would monstrously fucking kino if the parade was delayed by air raid sirens.

(lol jk like Putin would actually evacuate anyone and risk having his photo op ruined. He knows the main podium would safe, who cares about everyone else)

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Get in on the ground floor for this new war profiteering opportunity!

This is one of the things that the various NATO directed-energy weapons programs would solve. Can't fly when the electronics have cooked.

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I extend the same invitation I made of Snekposter to you if you want to keep discussing this. But I'm not going to further off topic as I already have.
If you have the balls for it just say so.

"We didn't actually liberate any countries before the US came along, but we we were so close to winning! Getting completely blown out in the Pacific was always part of the plan. The Burma campaign was always meant to be a feint."

Why would I waste my time talking to a bong unless I wanted to learn Arabic?

You fuckers pushed self-determination throughout WW1, with Woodrow Wilson's 14 Points. This is the direct cause of many of the issues in the world today. Like always, you came in late claimed you saved the world and fucked everything up. So yeah, late and gay is apt.

How many countries were liberated before the US sent combat troops again? I have forgotten, can you remind me?

 

[R00T]

can the same retards that always derail the thread stop derailing the thread? It's really not hard to keep all the retarded words you've typed for the 5th time to yourself.

 

[Corette]

Russian Army donkey with drone jammer - Rageintel in Insta

This isn't the 1st thing that comes to mind when someone unlocks walkers with ECM capabilities on tech tree.

Will the victory parade be really exciting this year?

Nothing ever happens.

 

[Evan Kor]

Still standing on my "4th year being decisive" theory of great power wars. If Russia doesn't wrap this up by the fall, they risk entering the 5th year of a Great Power War, and that is when things tend to fall apart.

I think what's going on right now is that everyone is trying to establish what the post-war picture will look like. Once that happens, the war will end quickly. Obviously Ukraine won't re-unify since there's no way that the masses living in the Russian-occupied regions would ever want to be ruled over by Kyiv. Every major war is due to a flaw in the international order and this one is no different. I think the big problem that caused this war was the issue of legal abortion and the shortcomings of democracies when they're able to use birth control as a means of population control in order to reshape the electorate. I think Moscow's use of abortion as a means of population control within Russia has resulted in the demographic collapse the country will face which helped fuel the war. Ukraine's use of abortion, coupled with legislation and whatnot to increase its rate in the eastern part of the country ended up sapping those regions of future votes and thus power in a unitary state.

You can't have legal abortion and democracy at the same time especially when the factors that affect the abortion rate are things that can be controlled by the government. That's because existing class, race, or ethnic divisions will end up resulting in the politically dominant group wiping out the future voters of their rivals. Raising child support rates is directly correlated with increased forced-abortion rates and this has been known - and acted on - for decades. Getting rid of anti-natalist policies is a step in the right direction but that can't happen until everyone sees the problems that those policies cause. Once Russia and Ukraine run out of men, then both countries will be forced to change their ways.

So to get back to your point, it'll be a few more years. Both nations have to lose so much that they can break their old demographic policies. Once those policies are changed and they have proof that the old ways led to ruin, then both countries will quickly find a peaceful resolution. Russia can't take over Ukraine since even the eastern part is full of people who hate Russia and are the ones blowing up stuff all over Russia. Ukraine can't destroy Russia since hatred of Ukraine is so unifying that any regime change in Russia would just make things worse for Ukraine. More blood must be spilled and that's the sad fact about this war.

 

[Snekposter]

I think what's going on right now is that everyone is trying to establish what the post-war picture will look like. Once that happens, the war will end quickly. Obviously Ukraine won't re-unify since there's no way that the masses living in the Russian-occupied regions would ever want to be ruled over by Kyiv. Every major war is due to a flaw in the international order and this one is no different. I think the big problem that caused this war was the issue of legal abortion and the shortcomings of democracies when they're able to use birth control as a means of population control in order to reshape the electorate. I think Moscow's use of abortion as a means of population control within Russia has resulted in the demographic collapse the country will face which helped fuel the war. Ukraine's use of abortion, coupled with legislation and whatnot to increase its rate in the eastern part of the country ended up sapping those regions of future votes and thus power in a unitary state.

You can't have legal abortion and democracy at the same time especially when the factors that affect the abortion rate are things that can be controlled by the government. That's because existing class, race, or ethnic divisions will end up resulting in the politically dominant group wiping out the future voters of their rivals. Raising child support rates is directly correlated with increased forced-abortion rates and this has been known - and acted on - for decades. Getting rid of anti-natalist policies is a step in the right direction but that can't happen until everyone sees the problems that those policies cause. Once Russia and Ukraine run out of men, then both countries will be forced to change their ways.

So to get back to your point, it'll be a few more years. Both nations have to lose so much that they can break their old demographic policies. Once those policies are changed and they have proof that the old ways led to ruin, then both countries will quickly find a peaceful resolution. Russia can't take over Ukraine since even the eastern part is full of people who hate Russia and are the ones blowing up stuff all over Russia. Ukraine can't destroy Russia since hatred of Ukraine is so unifying that any regime change in Russia would just make things worse for Ukraine. More blood must be spilled and that's the sad fact about this war.

Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?

 

[Frederica Bernkastel]

Ukraine is going to win the information war if Republicans keep doing this unironically

 

[Oxyjen]

Ukraine is going to win the information war if Republicans keep doing this unironically
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Ah, I see the retard-signal has gone up, this makes more sense now:

Moscow's use of abortion as a means of population control

 

[Skylavijas]

Ukraine is going to win the information war if Republicans keep doing this unironically
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Russia and America calling each other woke is literally just this shit.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Xi is 100% going to move on Taiwan in 2027 or 2028. They are rehearsing it right now.

However, we also sold Taiwan F18s and Harpoon missiles.

Invading Taiwan would be just as harmful and pointless as invading Ukraine.
Chip fabs are going up in smoke the second a Chinese conscripts boots hit sand.

Please, Xi will just look to find the right person to use as a pawn so Taiwan makes laws and deals to get it where everyone is Beijing’s puppet and all opposition is crushed. It’s the BRI and the attack on Hong Kong protestors and the typical shunning of anyone who says Taiwan is a country or supports HK protestors all rolled into one because Xi is a loan shark who wants to take over the world.

I’m willing to bet Putin provides military support because raw power and brute force is all he knows, which is why he said Ukraine would be taken so quickly.

Russia and America calling each other woke is literally just this shit.
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Pretty funny considering a lot on the right see Russia as fighting the forces of woke.

 

[-Jack-]

Pretty funny considering a lot on the right see Russia as fighting the forces of woke.

Yeah Russia is the dream country for good Christian Americans who are traditionalists, you can legally beat the shit out of your wife and face no consequences! Fuck the woke agenda!

 

[Random Internet Person]

Yeah Russia is the dream country for good Christian Americans who are traditionalists, you can legally beat the shit out of your wife and face no consequences! Fuck the woke agenda!

But can you throw around racial slurs and make shitloads of money if you’re filmed doing it?

 

[NKVD qt]

Yeah Russia is the dream country for good Christian Americans who are traditionalists, you can legally beat the shit out of your wife and face no consequences! Fuck the woke agenda!

But can you throw around racial slurs and make shitloads of money if you’re filmed doing it?

I swear some people in this thread have nothing to add about the actual war and just come here to seethe post about the United States and people they don't like. Diet and exercise will help reduce your Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome symptoms as well as give you something better to do.

On the subject of the actual war it seems Russia is deploying additional air defense around Moscow for the victory day festivities. I wonder if this will create openings for continued drone attacks in other areas.

 

[otherdispair]

So we are in this odd situation where you don't want to continue the conversation, yet you continue the conversation.

But can you throw around racial slurs and make shitloads of money if you’re filmed doing it?

You can be as racist as you want as a Russian in Russia. But every other race is allowed to abuse ethnic russians to the hearts desire.

I wonder if this will create openings for continued drone attacks in other areas.

There wasn't really an uptick the last few years. That AA is probably provided by the Moscow and Saint-Petersburg garrisons. The units stationed there are the presidential guard in all but name. They get the newest gear, get staffed by the sons of officials and other people with a reason to be loyal and don't get sent to be ground into mobik cubes on the frontline.

 

[NKVD qt]

There wasn't really an uptick the last few years. That AA is probably provided by the Moscow and Saint-Petersburg garrisons. The units stationed there are the presidential guard in all but name. They get the newest gear, get staffed by the sons of officials and other people with a reason to be loyal and don't get sent to be ground into mobik cubes on the frontline.

Yeah that does make sense I doubt they would be willing to spare air defense from other regions even for an important propaganda event about how everything is 100% going to plan we swear.

 

[Random Internet Person]

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On the subject of the actual war it seems Russia is deploying additional air defense around Moscow for the victory day festivities. I wonder if this will create openings for continued drone attacks in other areas.

Sounds like Zelensky has the chance to do something at least kind of funny.

 

[otherdispair]

Yeah that does make sense I doubt they would be willing to spare air defense from other regions even for an important propaganda event about how everything is 100% going to plan we swear.

I think it's more of a not even wanting to risk a chance of a second happy fun time convoy going to Moscow to ask for
munition.
Putin and co. would absolutely leave other regions out to dry if that meant their asses where covered just that little bit more.

Sounds like Zelensky has the chance to do something at least kind of funny.

If the Ukrainians have a sense of humor they could lob a drone at the parade with pig manure.

 

[Head Muggle]

Slightly offtopic: Would anyone know of good books arguing pro-Ukraine? I am woefully uneducated.

My position so far has mostly been based on the bad taste european propaganda and NAFO made me feel.

 

[Ghostse]

On the subject of the actual war it seems Russia is deploying additional air defense around Moscow for the victory day festivities. I wonder if this will create openings for continued drone attacks in other areas.

There wasn't really an uptick the last few years. That AA is probably provided by the Moscow and Saint-Petersburg garrisons. The units stationed there are the presidential guard in all but name. They get the newest gear, get staffed by the sons of officials and other people with a reason to be loyal and don't get sent to be ground into mobik cubes on the frontline.

Yeah that does make sense I doubt they would be willing to spare air defense from other regions even for an important propaganda event about how everything is 100% going to plan we swear.

Correct, the AA is largely coming from St. Pete and the NATO border (because you know that's how scared of NATO russia actually is). Its also Pantsirs and them pretty much just re-creating the air defense network from during the Olympics. Moscow is already covered by plenty of long-distance AA, they just beef it up with the Pantsirs by putting them on stilts to temporarily turn them into static emplacements.

Some of these "temporary" emplacements have been occupied near-permanently since Ukraine dropped the first drone on the roof of the Kremlin.

They are also likely pulling some units from the east

Any drones would be expected to come from Ukraine so there is no point in weakening the air defense network there. You might see some of deployments shift north and back, but not a huge realignment.

I really doubt Ukraine would be able to get anything through unless they unleashed a absolutely massive strike. But just making their AAD pop off would be hilarious.