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Should be a wild four years.

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Disagreement has to have weight and a degree of sincerity to it to be measured and valued.
The issue being when you have posters who genuinely do not recognize that any opinions other than their own have weight/sincerity, ie the person in the circlejerk i specifically called out.

Because people have engaged with others who are actually putting the work in or at least making it funny. I've said some against the grain shit and had to back it up from time to time and it was business as usual.
same here but the issue being that people stuck in this circlejerk vortex cannot actually think for themselves and will just use thought killers. I personally have made controversial takes and have had to eat my words once or twice, that's the nature of participating and having independent thought.

In order to terminate a thought or narrative it has to have legs or the means to go anywhere
Yes but you can also terminate a person regardless of their thought of narrative by the means of discounting what someone says regardless of what they said simply due to their identity. this is incredibly common nowadays when people go oh you're X so it's not even worth listening to you.
 
"We need migrants to keep the NHS funded! Oh, and migrants won't be paying to keep the NHS funded. No refunds."
That's not even the argument bizarrely, it's that we need migrants to work in the NHS and take care of our elderly, an even worse iteration of the idea that America needs illegals to clean toilets and trim lawns because you don't need to be educated to cut the grass or work a plunger at the very least. Example:
Female Indian radiographer at British hospital couldn't X-ray a foot - she'd claimed 23 years' experience on her CV but in fact was a receptionist

Never mind the fact that foreigners treat our old people horribly, but that's a whole other issue, and there's plenty of examples of it happening in America for you to know what I mean.

They leave the concept of immigrants out of the equation when it comes to taxes and whatnot (an argument I'm sure the pro-immigrant lot stopped using at a certain point) because it leads to the uncomfortable fact that they're not paying their fair share to begin with and take more out of it than the average native.

The UK has added restriction after restriction to becoming a citizen and applying for a work visa in the UK over the past 15 years yet the numbers keep climbing higher and higher. The fact of the matter is once Abdul becomes a British citizen in the eyes of law it starts a cascade where 1 Paki deigned with citizenship suddenly burdens the state with an extra 8 or more within a year or two of becoming one.

I'm not sure if it occurs the same in America, but here's how it happens:
First, Abdul becomes Bri'ish after working 5 years and applies for citizenship — he passes the test and becomes a citizen.

Second, Abdul brings over his spouse via family visa, and if both of them (I.E. just him since she'll likely never work) earns over 18.6k a year (minimum wage at 40 hours a week gets you 22k+ a year btw) then you become a citizen in 5 years.

Third, Abdul brings over his parents through a family visa. If they're old enough and get any sort of long term care on the NHS (prescriptions for anything) they then qualify easily for the ADR (adult dependent relative) visa, and then have indefinite right to stay and can claim pension credit and NHS care despite never paying a penny into it their entire lives; since Pakistan largely charges for healthcare and one of the perquisites is that you can't afford healthcare back home, you can already see how easy it is to get this.

Fourth, after Abdul's parents have the right to say via ADR, they're citizens in all but name and so can add 'children' (don't have to be under 18) as dependents here which automatically qualify them for a family visa. Alternatively if their parents moved here on a family visa, their subsequent visa will automatically be granted if they were living with their parents back in Pakistan (there's no way to prove this btw) and get added to the list as dependents.

Fifth, if Abdul's siblings have kids, then they can get added as dependents of the siblings and come over too. If the parents become 'settled' (lived here for more than 5 years on family or work visa) then they automatically become citizens)

Sixth, if the unsettled siblings have a child that is born here, once that child reaches the age of 10, they automatically qualify for citizenship too. Once this child is a citizen, any parent that might not be a citizen yet (maybe they come and go through a visitor visa) can apply and likely become a citizen.

And the clincher? The spouse can do what Abdul did but for her side of the family too.

Some of these visas I mentioned are temporary and require extensions, but they're typically just granted anyway and after a certain length of time you can just qualify for citizenship. A 'skilled worker' visa is something you can apply for if you work in a kebab shop too, which after 5 years you can become a citizen. Visitor visas also allow people to reside in the country legally for 6 months for the price of £127 (or $168) Once it's often the case they earn money under the table via Ubereats and Deliveroo that their sponsor or sponsor's wife filled the profile out for. A lot of them also open up shitty shops or takeaways since working for one still qualifies as work for the accompanying visa.

They've built an entire system here that facilitates the arrival of more of them, the ability for them to work under the table, etcetera. The only thing slowing them down is the fact some of them cost money and some of them have minimum time requirements.

I envy America for making the process of becoming a citizen hard to begin with (for one, employers need to fill out work visas, not the person who wants one like in the UK). I remember when Civnat sensibilities were more in vogue on the Right and people wanted to make this immigration shit easier and merely emphasised the problem was just with illegals. It's easy to legally stay in the UK and it's fucking us.
 
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I hate the View. It’s so deeply classless to ask a plainly doddering old man ‘hey, people say you’re demented, are you?’ I know people will say he deserves it but I can’t bring myself to enjoy an elderly person losing their faculties, it does something to me and it’s very tough on a family. Classless of Jill to haul him around on the tacky talk show circuit too.
 
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I hate the View. It’s so deeply classless to ask a plainly doddering old man ‘hey, people say you’re demented, are you?’ I know people will say he deserves it but I can’t bring myself to enjoy an elderly person losing their faculties, it does something to me and it’s very tough on a family. Classless of Jill to haul him around on the tacky talk show circuit too.
if his daughter's diary is to be believed he deserves all the suffering and abuse he gets in this life and the next.
 
The new cycles for the past few weeks really have been a discombobulated mess. All I'm seeing now is stuff about how Republicans are breaking down and not going to support Trump's bills and shit like that... but, so far, when the media says shit like this, they end up being wrong and make no apology for it. They're already changing their tune regarding China since the US and China are meeting to talk about tariffs now.

It's like none of these people have the ability to sit back, wait, and see what happens. I know that most of them are communist hacks trying to hurt Trump, but there are some people who ought to know better and fall for this shit. The economy is collapsing! they cry as the stock market closes in the black. Come on, people.
Honestly, the media has been like this for a very long time because of the need for a 24/7 news cycle to support CNN et al. Back in the Obama days someone would go to the White House for coffee and the media would be all ‘RANDOM FAGGOT POISED TO BE OBAMA’S NEW BORDER CZAR’ yet something like 90% of their predictions were wrong or hyperbolic.
 
Always count on the RINOs to grasp defeat from the fucking jaws of victory. Trump and Vance really need to tard wrangle them.
There is no punishment for betraying the GOP, America, or Trump. There is benefit for doing so -- embezzlement, kickbacks, speaking engagements, jobs for your worthless family members. Until there is a way to punish these people, tangible punishments that they would actually fear, they will keep doing it. There's no reason not to.

Step one should be stripping every single one of these fuckers from their committee roles. Then cut them off from any RNC/GOP money for reelections. It would be better if a Democrat won for one cycle than to put up with a bunch of betraying cucks that exist only to make sure a real conservative doesn't ever get the seat.
 
Ignorance at a certain point is malice.
You should hear my Baby Boomer relatives on my paternal side - I've talked about it before, but the implication being I should be shipped off to die in Ukraine because they had one great grandparent who was Ukrainian when they're mostly Polish/Russian. They fell in line just because the man on the TV told them to and played with their heads/emotions - just like covid. Add in a lot of "Hitler devil bogeyman" post-ww2 brain thinking and applying it to Putin. I can still hear my grandma in my mind elevating in five seconds to "and just let him [Hitler] KILL THOSE JEWISH PEOPLE!?!?!?!!"

I've had enough of this already, after 80 years I'm certain many others have had enough. Must make them irate this emotional blackmail that has been desperately clung on to for almost a century isn't working on people my age - it is no longer registering in my mind as a valid argument. Also add in the contradictory entitlement of expecting people my age to fix everything for you while demanding we fight your wars for you (who is going to fix everything when they're all dead?).

If not, we are deemed stupid, lazy, useless, and selfish by Boomers who have stripped bare any future there could've been. Want your inheritance? Tough luck, you should've given me grandkids who you can't afford anyway! These people do NOT care one bit what happens to the rest of us when they're all gone.
 
Can someone explain to me why every fucking piece of media nowadays needs to have something about modern politics? Like Christ we get you show created “orange man bad” but can you please tell me a good story at least?
Unfortunately I think people need to come to terms with the fact that there was a massive shift in American culture and politics are now all anyone cares about for the foreseeable future. Americans aren't capable of opening their mouths without some sort of political take coming out. Americans are no longer capable of making films or telling stories that aren't about real life politics because we live in a world where everyone's political ideology is under attack from all sides and this is exacerbated by social media and the news media showing you these people attacking your beliefs constantly. So when it comes time to make a statement where people can hear you whether that be in a movie or a book or a video game or even music it's always going to be about the creator's political ideology because they feel it needs to be defended and people should be influenced to agree.

People want stories that aren't woke and people also don't want stories that are "anti-woke" but the kind of person who wouldn't make a movie about their political takes aren't going to be putting themselves out there at all to be making movies, chances are this kind of person is working at Wal Mart and gives zero fucks. The fact is that anyone in America who cares about anything in life other than just smoking weed is thinking about politics all the time and nothing can change that. When you live in a country that is designed to have the citizens be politically informed and vote for politicians you are always going to end up with a population that can only think about politics. Thinking and fighting about politics is the DNA of America, if you really don't want to deal with politics anymore I would suggest taking up smoking weed as a hobby or just move to China or something where the government is concrete and doesn't require the citizens to participate in it.
 
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