The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[Betonhaus]

Did the open source nvidia drivers hit Linux Mint? Updating took a long time and the fans went all crazy doing a bunch of compiling

 

[Betonhaus]

if I install KDE Neon to replace Linux Mint, what would be the major differences to look out for?

 

[YoRHa No. 2 Type B]

if I install KDE Neon to replace Linux Mint, what would be the major differences to look out for?

If you want KDE on an Ubuntu base, I would recommend Kubuntu. When I last used it, it avoided a lot of Ubuntu's stupid decisions like pushing Snaps.
Otherwise, KDE is only really popular on more "advanced" distros like Arch or Gentoo. For some reason its not huge in Debian or Ubuntu land.

 

[Another Char Clone]

I was asking more about the comparison of S6 + 66 in relation to opernrc. I'm usually running openrc or BSD init.d, I've never gone back to systemd after the first time I had to deal with it being retarded and soft locking on init boot.

I only used s6 myself for some minor stuff, not even as PID 1. You can take a look at some of the documentation for s6 + 66 in gentoo, hopefully it helps you:

https://github.com/pramodvu1502/66-svmgr-gentoo-overlay

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/66-init

openrc uses rc scripts (essentially bash scripts), so its not directly usable with s6 but easy enough to translate. So depending on what you're trying to ultimately do, it could get complex to write your own init files for 66/s6.

 

[Slav Power]

I would like to use debian but with tilling wm as my main "desktop environment"
Is deselecting DE in the installation process a valid way to do that or is it going to result in some problems down the line?

You'll install it without a DE, so it'll be a pure terminal. Then you'll have to manually install and configure X11, a session manager, a window manager and Pipewire. Try it, it's a fun exercise. Easier than Arch since Debian devs don't huff their own farts about how hard it is to install their distro. It just installs, drops you into the terminal and you're off to the races.

 

[Betonhaus]

What's the recommended arch install script?

 

[El Goblina]

What's the recommended arch install script?

archinstall, shockingly. https://archinstall.archlinux.page/installing/guided.html

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

I recently gave the archinstall script a run in a VM, it's gotten better for sure. Selecting/Unselecting items is more consistently applied. Installing additional packages is now done in a list format. Registering a password uses asterisk outputs now, which is a gain for accessibility. Sensible borders for text fields, etc. Not a bad looking tool, probably wouldn't use it for BTRFS still.

 

[Betonhaus]

archinstall, shockingly. https://archinstall.archlinux.page/installing/guided.html

Not archfi? I thought that was recommended or is that in the past?

 

[El Goblina]

archinstall is included by default in the ISO image. IDK how much more "recommended" you expect.

 

[Vesperus]

Canonical are swapping out sudo with a Rust version.

https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/adopting-sudo-rs-by-default-in-ubuntu-25-10/60583

Kek.

 

[YoRHa No. 2 Type B]

Canonical are swapping out sudo with a Rust version.

Canonical seem dead set on pivoting Ubuntu towards Snaps, Rust and proprietary software, almost all these rust rewritten tools use a more permissive license like MIT which is the worst part about all these new Rust tools.
Fully expecting Ubuntu to become fully proprietary and commercial in the coming years. At which point there will be 0 point of using it, might as well use Windows for a battle tested proprietary OS.

 

[Noyciciw]

Canonical are swapping out sudo with a Rust version.

https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/adopting-sudo-rs-by-default-in-ubuntu-25-10/60583

Kek.

What exactly is all the hype around Rust about anyway?

 

[Rust Troony]

What exactly is all the hype around Rust about anyway?

Muh memory safety. Its an okay programming language but it gets all of it attention based of the things that should be a cherry on top. People treat it as a savior of programming because it has training wheels that most people who use it for major software take off anyways.

So pretty much a tldc is it's jeetifying programming so you no longer need to think about memory safety.

 

[Noyciciw]

Muh memory safety. Its an okay programming language but it gets all of it attention based of the things that should be a cherry on top. People treat it as a savior of programming because it has training wheels that most people who use it for major software take off anyways.

So pretty much a tldc is it's jeetifying programming so you no longer need to think about memory safety.

I see.
Memory here is in reference to ram?
If your program isn't handling ram correctly, what's the worst that could happen? You freeze your computer and have to reboot it?
That does sound silly, people can't be asked to troubleshoot their own programs to see if it's handling system resources correctly.

 

[Rust Troony]

Memory here is in reference to ram?

Yes

If your program isn't handling ram correctly, what's the worst that could happen? You freeze your computer and have to reboot it?

It causes one of the most common forms of bugs in software that are exploited, buffer overflows, but yes, it can also cause crashes.

That does sound silly, people can't be asked to troubleshoot their own programs to see if it's handling system resources correctly.

If by people you mean the people programming it, that's what they have done since the beginning of programming. While the compiler itself can allocate static memory, programmers can tell the program to allocate a certain amount of memory for any reason (dynamic memory). If that isn't cleaned/freed and a buffer overflow happens, it can be exploited.

 

[Betonhaus]

Canonical seem dead set on pivoting Ubuntu towards Snaps, Rust and proprietary software, almost all these rust rewritten tools use a more permissive license like MIT which is the worst part about all these new Rust tools.
Fully expecting Ubuntu to become fully proprietary and commercial in the coming years. At which point there will be 0 point of using it, might as well use Windows for a battle tested proprietary OS.

Good thing Linux Mint is already prepared. if Canonical tries that then Linux Mint will make the newest version of LMDE the upgrade path.

 

[Vesperus]

If your program isn't handling ram correctly, what's the worst that could happen

Ideally, nothing: In practice, forcing a buffer/stack overflow can let someone write code directly to ram. And if they are a naughty person, that might be naughty code.
The old, busted way around this was to learn how to fucking program, but apparently the new hotness is to rely on the compiler/interpreter to fix your shit, thereby freeing up valuable time for HRT/redeeming (because it doesn't matter if your AI is writing shit code).

 

[Betonhaus]

yeah no fuck that arch is the mechanics special of OSs

 

[Rust Troony]

yeah no fuck that arch is the mechanics special of OSs

I would switch back to arch if it actually supported GUI package managers. (INB4 hurrdurr linux elitist just use terminal saar, dont care, didnt ask.)

Also complete cinnamon support. Cinnamon itself is there but its lightdm greeter, and downgraded TTK4 (Tranny Toolkit 4) packages are stuck to the AUR and some are kinda broken.