A friend of mine noted earlier today that normalfags, and especially zoomers, seem to like Revenge of the Sith a lot these days.
It's the better movie of the prequel trilogy, I guess. After two movies of pointless meandering, George actually gave the public some of the things we wanted to see.
Although Lucas went boomer tard mode and made Anakin kill the kids and the Clone Troopers kill the Jedi when it should have been the other way around. The original trilogy even says it was Anakin that hunted down the Jedi. Clone Troopers wouldn't have the skill to kill Jedi, but they could kill the younglings.
Revenge of the Sith is far and away the best Star Wars movie and it isn't even close.
Anyway, the more scrappy closer to irl militias aesthetic feels like an evolution of ROTJ, which for some bizarre fucking reason is the movie everything in the Disney era is inspired by. That's the movie that was so bad it killed Star Wars for twenty years. But all the costumes, aliens, and ships in the modern age are inexplicably inspired by that piece of shit movie that's only beloved by middle aged men whose wives sleep with other men.
If the separatist movement itself was able to arm itself with cutting edge top of the line droids and weapons, how in god's name is NONE of that kind of stuff still lying around for the rebellion to use? There should be entire systems funding a rebellion from the moment the empire takes control given such planets existed beyond republic control to begin with.
That is another thing that I have a huge problem with, an organization thin on resources would utilize any post-war equipment lying around.
It would have been really cool to see the rebellion be using Battledroids that they found from the shut down factories to fight the empire, or the battleships we saw from the CloneWars show be used by the rebellion.
I would even go as far as to say that it would make sense to see many former separatists be joining the Rebel alliance considering that it's really closely aligns to the goals that the separatists have in waging war on the very government that defeated them in the previous war.
I imagine that a lot of former separatists like the ones portrayed in the separatists senate would feel vindicated in their beliefs considering that the very government that they were fighting against became even worse after they have won the war. This is something I barely ever saw be addressed in Star Wars until that episode in Bad Batch where a character that was a former separatists basically states this, but other than that, nothing in Star Wars media addresses this when it should be.
Former Separatists would be one of the biggest people funding the rebellion.
That is another thing that I have a huge problem with, an organization thin on resources would utilize any post-war equipment lying around.
It would have been really cool to see the rebellion be using Battledroids that they found from the shut down factories to fight the empire, or the battleships we saw from the CloneWars show be used by the rebellion.
I would even go as far as to say that it would make sense to see many former separatists be joining the Rebel alliance considering that it's really closely aligns to the goals that the separatists have in waging war on the very government that defeated them in the previous war.
I imagine that a lot of former separatists like the ones portrayed in the separatists senate would feel vindicated in their beliefs considering that the very government that they were fighting against became even worse after they have won the war. This is something I barely ever saw be addressed in Star Wars until that episode in Bad Batch where a character that was a former separatists basically states this, but other than that, nothing in Star Wars media addresses this when it should be.
Former Separatists would be one of the biggest people funding the rebellion.
The more i think about it i'm surprised Andor hasn't addressed this with some dragged out 5 minutes speech about how "IF WE HECKIN USE THAT EQUIPMENT WE'RE VALIDATING THE ENEMY" or some gay shit like that. Fuck I wouldn't be surprised if at some point they had a subplot about how doing yoga is the real way to fight the empire.
I'm still so fucking pissed the degree to which disney absolutely cucked the new republic time and time again. For my entire childhood it was what I always wanted to see: The good guys are back in charge again, the jedi are rebuilding, and now the good guys get to use the cool looking stuff.
But no. War bad. War icky stinky poopey bad, any policing of the galaxy filled with sentillions of sentient beings across hundreds of thousands of planets must be done by sending a single girlboss with a pistol and her small crew of misfits including some animal.
The easy solution would have been to make the good guys look cool too and give them their own super soldier power armor but they keep wanting to portray rebels as having awkwardly curved helmets and soft clothing despite having already defeated the Empire.
In the OT the rebel soldiers looked badass in their own regard and looked like soldiers. I even thought the rebel soldiers on the Tantive IV looked cool in their own way.
The soldiers on the Tantive IV were Senatorial/Alderaanian soldiers. As for the typical rebel soldier, they wore what we'd imagine our soldiers would wear today; green camo fatigues in the jungle, white uniforms made for cold weather in the snow.
In essence, it's not that hard to imagine the Rebels as American soldiers with laser rifles.
This is one huge problem i have with Andor is the underdog look you describe. If it was like 4 or 5 years after revenge of the sith i would KIND OF get it (although even then not really), but we're 3 years away from a new hope and we're on yavin. There's just not way a rebellion of any significance in a galaxy this size would be depending on shepherds clothing and rusty old shitty guns to arm it's main warfighters.
Also important to note that they were funded and supported by wealthy core worlds aristocrats like Mon Mothma and Bail Organa, who were literally part of a major GR political family and the King of Alderaan respectively, not to mention being foundationally made up of former CIS, which also includes wealthy industrialists and nationalists. They were militaristic and disciplined from the start and never were scruffy Maoist PLA style rebels.
It’s trendy to depict the Rebels as anarchists because that’s how the youth nobody has ever oppressed see themselves. But originally they were a government in exile and had full military pomp and circumstance. It was never grassroots in the way things like Andor portray it BUT that portrayal flatters the resistard audience.
I always imagined that the rag-tag rebel cells that we see in Andor were the expendable buffoons that Rebel operators like Luthen Rael sent to their deaths to test the Empire's defenses, while their real army, the actual Rebel army and navy, funded by core-world interests and led by professional soldiers, were keeping themselves hidden until they can strike.
I mean, that was the case in the old SWEU; the Rebels proper might show up in small numbers to support local resistance cells, but they typically only sent in the proper fleet and army when they see a target worth blowing up.
Essentially, if the OT-era Rebel army and navy were the Roman legions, the rag-tag rebels we see in Andor were their barbarian auxiliaries that they send in to monitor the borders or die as cannon fodder.
If the separatist movement itself was able to arm itself with cutting edge top of the line droids and weapons, how in god's name is NONE of that kind of stuff still lying around for the rebellion to use? There should be entire systems funding a rebellion from the moment the empire takes control given such planets existed beyond republic control to begin with.
Not to mention that an entire army of droids just went dead-silent after Order 66. So there's tons of guns, ships, and even droids that can be re-activated, just lying around, ready for Rebel use. I like how in some old artworks, Separatist ships were part of Rebel fleets:
The Rebellion’s argument was that they were the true and authentic government. That Palpatine was a usurper and tyrant. Not just in the sense he was oppressive but in the original Greek sense that he was not the rightful leader and his misrule was further proof of that illegitimacy.
That argument is sunk decisively by the Prequels when the Senate openly cheered Palpatine on as he became Emperor. At that point, the would-be rebels like Mon Mothma and Bail Organa were just sour that they didn't have enough votes to stop Palpatine.
A Sith Lord Chancellor with two Death Stars and a massive navy was the result of democratic elections.
I disagree, Saw being a fuel-huffing ride or die space terrorist is kino as fuck and he's always a treat, Garm would've been neutered by this show thanks to its focus on subterfuge and criminality over actual warfare.
Garm wouldn't be able to do much since he canonically kept himself from the fight, because he kept hearing about rebel bases getting captured or shut down, so he stayed out of the war, aside from the fact that he saw another Palpatine in Mon Mothma. Saw is the opposite; he'd have preferred it if Mon was as ruthless as Sheev, and ordered people around with authority.
That is another thing that I have a huge problem with, an organization thin on resources would utilize any post-war equipment lying around.
It would have been really cool to see the rebellion be using Battledroids that they found from the shut down factories to fight the empire, or the battleships we saw from the CloneWars show be used by the rebellion.
I would even go as far as to say that it would make sense to see many former separatists be joining the Rebel alliance considering that it's really closely aligns to the goals that the separatists have in waging war on the very government that defeated them in the previous war.
I imagine that a lot of former separatists like the ones portrayed in the separatists senate would feel vindicated in their beliefs considering that the very government that they were fighting against became even worse after they have won the war. This is something I barely ever saw be addressed in Star Wars until that episode in Bad Batch where a character that was a former separatists basically states this, but other than that, nothing in Star Wars media addresses this when it should be.
Former Separatists would be one of the biggest people funding the rebellion.
The lack of battle droids makes sense to me. The first thing the republic would have done would be secure and neutralize the production facilities. You might have some CIS hobbists getting a small number online on a craft basis, but it makes sense the droids would have a "CPU scram" feature and the Republic sent it out once CIS High Command was under their control.
I think the real thunkful moment is why the Empire never co-opted them.
But the CIS weren't just droids and it would make much more sense to see a lot of the organic component of the CIS present in the Rebellion, especially the early stages.
But I can also see there being significant friction because the remnants of the push for systems to break-away from central control and the "Alliance to Restore the Republic" might have vastly differing aims.
I'd say CIS battledroid holdouts is an underused plot but
- It has been used and the general ground has been covered (units out communcation range so they didn't get Order Auto66, higher-tier droids getting reprogrammed, etc)
- Much like the 900 million jedi who survived order 66 you have serious issues with "where were they during the OT?" - which makes me fear the next update to the special additions inserting battle droids.
- Disney is gay and anything the touch turns to shit so its pointless. Its all gay, Rey is all the Jedi.
In a very real sense I think it was a mistake to not have the battle droids not look like IG-88.
I mean, that was the case in the old SWEU; the Rebels proper might show up in small numbers to support local resistance cells, but they typically only sent in the proper fleet and army when they see a target worth blowing up.
Its the difference between the Continental Army and the Militia/Minutemen during the American Revolution. You have a small, organized uniformed force but a lot of rag-tag auxiliaries.
I mean, that was the case in the old SWEU; the Rebels proper might show up in small numbers to support local resistance cells, but they typically only sent in the proper fleet and army when they see a target worth blowing up.
I'm going to restrain myself from going maximum politisperging... but the best part of this? It's essentially cold war era united states. Particularly green berets.
The empire in star wars, including in andor, has just as much in common with the USSR as it does Nazi germany. It's never really shown to be facist, just authoritarian and totalitarian. Who knows, maybe the empire has equal income distribution and free health care while the republic didn't? If only GRRM were here to ask these difficult engaging questions so we could know which side is acceptable to support.
Sure people associate ewoks with the vietcong, but is there any reason they couldn't have been the Mujahideen fighting the USSR? Or the Angola? Contras? Or hell even the vietnamese fighting the chinese?
The big scary fact that so many nu wars defenders don't want to accept is that there was no evil empire and oppressed underdogs in the real world, just several superpowers fighting/supporting various factions of underdogs around the globe with complex intertwining interests. The argument could very easily be made that the Rebels are the USA, or the CIS is the USA and the republic was nazi germany.
The empire in star wars, including in andor, has just as much in common with the USSR as it does Nazi germany. Sure people associate ewoks with the vietcong, but is there any reason they couldn't have been the Mujahideen fighting the USSR? Or the Angola? Contras? Or hell even the vietnamese fighting the chinese?
The Empire is equal parts Nazi Germany, British Empire, Roman Empire, and America under Nixon.
I personally associate the Ewoks with the hobbits; it's actually kind of racially insensitive for Lucas to liken the Vietnamese to people who'd eat human beings for dinner like they're order McDonalds.
The big scary fact that so many nu wars defenders don't want to accept is that there was no evil empire and oppressed underdogs in the real world, just several superpowers fighting/supporting various factions of underdogs around the globe with complex intertwining interests. The argument could very easily be made that the Rebels are the USA, or the CIS is the USA and the republic was nazi germany.
Hell, even the original American Revolutionary War was the fledgling 13 colonies causing enough of a distraction against Britain for France and Spain to enter the conflict. Against the colonies, the British could've fought on indefinitely, but the Bourbon French and Spanish getting involved? No sireee, that might end with them losing India, Canada, and a whole host of other colonies they've gained.
So even the UR-example of the underdog against the "evil empire" in history was in reality, two empires ganging up on a third empire and stealing their lunch money, using the pretext of supporting some filthy colonials as an excuse.
Its the difference between the Continental Army and the Militia/Minutemen during the American Revolution. You have a small, organized uniformed force but a lot of rag-tag auxiliaries.
I was thinking more like Cold War America, with the US military on the one side, and whatever third-world factions or dirt-poor militias the CIA can pay to raise hell against the Soviets.
Exactly. Looking at the guns the Rebellion wielded, they're basically laser versions of guns that Americans use today, whereas the Stormtroopers' E-11 blaster was basically a British SMG. It fits on both accounts, since the Rebels walk, talk, and quack like burger-chomping Americans, whereas the Empire has officers with British accents.
Too many guys with PTSD against droids on their side. Hence why droids only saw limited use in Imperial ranks. The Dark Trooper project was the occasion, not the norm.
Sure people associate ewoks with the vietcong, but is there any reason they couldn't have been the Mujahideen fighting the USSR? Or the Angola? Contras? Or hell even the vietnamese fighting the chinese?
I will say that the best Star Wars aliens are all racially insensitive. Toydarians and the Muun are Jews, Gungans are blacks, Tusken Raiders are Muslims, Nemoidians are Japanese, etc.
But the CIS weren't just droids and it would make much more sense to see a lot of the organic component of the CIS present in the Rebellion, especially the early stages.
Its the difference between the Continental Army and the Militia/Minutemen during the American Revolution. You have a small, organized uniformed force but a lot of rag-tag auxiliaries.
If the Disney canon had actually tried to explain it like that, then I think it would be easily acceptable, but I hate how they are not clear on this and very fuzzy when it comes to this aspect of the rebellion.
The empire in star wars, including in andor, has just as much in common with the USSR as it does Nazi germany. It's never really shown to be facist, just authoritarian and totalitarian. Who knows, maybe the empire has equal income distribution and free health care while the republic didn't? If only GRRM were here to ask these difficult engaging questions so we could know which side is acceptable to support.
I remember seeing a very old video essay of Star Wars before video essays became a saturated thing on Youtube on that being the reason why Starwars had such a mass appeal with general audiences.
A communist in Soviet Russia would have easily imagined the Empire being the United States and an staunch American capitalist would easily imagine the Empire being the Soviet Union.
Now Disney is squandering this by making the Empire some kind of representation of the Trump populism going on here in the U.S.
Pretty shameless behind The Boys show.
Now Disney is squandering this by making the Empire some kind of representation of the Trump populism going on here in the U.S.
Pretty shameless behind The Boys show.
All of my lefty friends are talking about it this way, and while I do think that's almost certainly the writers' intentions, they massively underestimate how differently people can interpret things.
There's a long list of of writers intending for something to be the bad guy only for their audience to love it and what it stands for, and people taking the exact opposite message they wanted to from it. Watching fart sniffing Hollywood cunts seethe as this happens is my favorite.
>col quaritch
>the RDA from avatar
>galactic empire
>tywin lannister
>stannis
>starship troopers
>what kind of americans are you guy
>baylan and Stinky sith pussy
>combine from half life
>loki
>walter white
>malfoys
>super earth from helldivers
>umbrella corp
>wesker
>fire nation
>azula
>kylo ren
>thanos
>palpatine
>uncle ruckus
>spike
>rome in almost everything
>hans landa
>joker
>omni man
>homelander
>rorsach
People come to their beliefs based on their life expereinces then use that lense to percieve the media they consum. Not the other way around. This is a fact that makes leftist writers constipated with rage to a degree that could power cities if we could harness the energy.
All of my lefty friends are talking about it this way, and while I do think that's almost certainly the writers' intentions, they massively underestimate how differently people can interpret things.
There's a long list of of writers intending for something to be the bad guy only for their audience to love it and what it stands for, and people taking the exact opposite message they wanted to from it. Watching fart sniffing Hollywood cunts seethe as this happens is my favorite.
>col quaritch
>the RDA from avatar
>galactic empire
>tywin lannister
>stannis
>starship troopers
>what kind of americans are you guy
>baylan and Stinky sith pussy
>combine from half life
>loki
>walter white
>malfoys
>super earth from helldivers
>umbrella corp
>wesker
>fire nation
>azula
>kylo ren
>thanos
>palpatine
>uncle ruckus
>spike
>rome in almost everything
>hans landa
>joker
>omni man
>homelander
>rorsach
People come to their beliefs based on their life expereinces then use that lense to percieve the media they consum. Not the other way around. This is a fact that makes leftist writers constipated with rage to a degree that could power cities if we could harness the energy.
Half those villains you listed are characters that are liked for being cool villains, not because people see them as right. Hell some of them too are massively liked because of bad boy appeal and massive "I can fix him" type of energy where they end up being redeemed anyway (like Loki and Kylo Ren)
Now speaking of Kylo, I have come across at attempts of people trying to do Sequel Trilogy Revisionism and its hilarious how poorly it is. Since the sequel trilogy revisionism I see is "Oh wow, the Sequels sure are relevant today with the rise of fascism coming back, just like the Neo-Nazi's" when there is no real political intent behind the First Order beyond Bob Iger just wanting everything to be back to Rebels vs Empire. Hell, the "Resistance" is not even portrayed as a government that had the upper hand for 30 years, but a bunch of scrappy rebels. The First Order too are a failed analogy for Neo-Nazi's since they just have the same resources as the Empire and somehow made the Death Star but can destroy a gajillion planets at once. Let us not forget the entire Sequel trilogy took place in one year, so that angle goes by poorly
Its also hilarious how this revisionism fails because there's also the people who proudly proclaim "Media Literacy" to justify Luke attempting to kill Kylo yet it all falls flat since it lacks realism as it would be like someone holding a loaded gun to their nephew's head due to bad dreams.
I swear that if any Disney Star Wars property is going to have that revisionist treatment long term, it feels more likely it is the stuff Dave Filoni made than Iger's retarded trilogy. Say what you will about Filoni, but at least his stuff actually appeals to children and has enough jingling keys to get the manchildren on board.
If the Disney canon had actually tried to explain it like that, then I think it would be easily acceptable, but I hate how they are not clear on this and very fuzzy when it comes to this aspect of the rebellion.
They want to blur the lines between the dipshit rebel cells and the professional Alliance military to make the latter more relatable to the average viewer, even though the official Alliance military is a lot more organized and well-structured than the average rag-tag rebel cells that were glorified town hall militias.
I remember seeing a very old video essay of Star Wars before video essays became a saturated thing on Youtube on that being the reason why Starwars had such a mass appeal with general audiences.
A communist in Soviet Russia would have easily imagined the Empire being the United States and an staunch American capitalist would easily imagine the Empire being the Soviet Union.
Now Disney is squandering this by making the Empire some kind of representation of the Trump populism going on here in the U.S.
Pretty shameless behind The Boys show.
Andor's Empire is more akin to a mix between the Nazis and the more recent events. Sure, you had them checking for illegal immigrants, but that actually made sense because there's an actual insurrection against them going on, and illegals hiding out in a farm could be rebels in disguise. In this case, they were, so the Empire had every right to be that paranoid. Krennic's conference was inspired by the Wannsee Conference, the massacre in Ghorman was inspired by French Resistance forces fighting against Nazis, so on. Hence why the Ghormans were portrayed by Frenchmen who had a french-sounding language.
All of my lefty friends are talking about it this way, and while I do think that's almost certainly the writers' intentions, they massively underestimate how differently people can interpret things.
There's a long list of writers intending for something to be the bad guy only for their audience to love it and what it stands for, and people taking the exact opposite message they wanted to from it. Watching fart sniffing Hollywood cunts seethe as this happens is my favorite.
>col quaritch
>the RDA from avatar
>galactic empire
>tywin lannister
>stannis
>starship troopers
>what kind of americans are you guy
>baylan and Stinky sith pussy
>combine from half life
>loki
>walter white
>malfoys
>super earth from helldivers
>umbrella corp
>wesker
>fire nation
>azula
>kylo ren
>thanos
>palpatine
>uncle ruckus
>spike
>rome in almost everything
>hans landa
>joker
>omni man
>homelander
>rorsach
People come to their beliefs based on their life expereinces then use that lense to percieve the media they consum. Not the other way around. This is a fact that makes leftist writers constipated with rage to a degree that could power cities if we could harness the energy.
The problem is, the authors assume you'd automatically hate these people and factions because of "MUH LIBERTY". And 30 years ago, we would've, because we all saw freedom and democracy as the natural good, so authoritarians were automatically bad. But the thing is, most of history didn't get dominated by powerful nobles and monarchs by mistake. They were far more stable, politically and economically, and they had the strength to squash problems that modern capitalist democracy wrings their hands over. In modern America, people are struggling to buy homes. In the Spanish Empire 300 years ago, they were offering free land to Spanish citizens who went to the colonies.
The more we saw of democracy's flaws, the less we favor the automatic "good guys" because we no longer see democracy and freedom as an absolute good, thanks to our life experiences; we begin to see why there were people in the 1700s and 1800s who favored absolute monarchies and state churches despite being bottom-rung peasants, because they bring stability. Monarchs and powerful nobles inspire loyalty in that they had strength, decisiveness, and were held to a code of honor, meanwhile we see everyday our democratic governments being bought and sold like whores by corporations while the average man starves, and our freedoms are up to the interpretation of bureaucrats and government officials who can decide to screw us over in a whim. So we begin to see why people opposed democracy and liberty back then, and that bounces back onto our fiction.
So while we saw someone like Darth Vader as an oppressor back then, now we see a decisive man who doesn't tolerate the bullshit of modern democracy and indecisiveness. We see a guy who will go up to obstructive bureaucrats and snap their necks. We see a guy who will jump into danger and engage the foe up-front. We see a former slave make officers who come from fine, well-to-do families shit themselves in fear. Especially when the lore is concerned, where Vader is actually well-loved by the troops because he fights in the front alongside them; it's mostly the aristocratic officers who fucking hate his guts.
Even someone like Palpatine would be seen in a positive light, given the right lore and interpretation. A minor noble, working as an advisor to a naive young queen, who dabbled in esoteric mystic arts, and he navigated a corrupt Republic sinking under the crushing weight of red tape, nepotism, and corruption. He manipulated different factions to help his rise to the top, then he pit the corrupt factions that were parasiting off the Republic against said Republic, while he used the conflict to turn the Republic into a decisive military state that cut through the slow senatorial bureaucracy by putting effective regional governors in charge of the galaxy, thereby turning an ineffective republic into an effective military state; something like Prussia under Frederick the Great, or Spain under Philip II.
Then Palpatine annihilates the stodgy, uncompromising, outdated Jedi Order after they tried to kill him, and he has his right-hand man finally put an end to the corrupt corporate fat-cats, so by the end, he sits at the top of a new Empire that is approved of by the masses, because he got rid of the decadent Jedi and corrupt corporate magnates, replacing them both with an effective state that rewards initiative and gives job opportunities to trillions of people in the galaxy. And the fact that the majority of his army continued to stick by him despite his so-called atrocities on worlds like Ghorman, Kashyyyk, Geonosis, and Alderaan, goes to show that the good he did outweighed the bad, to the point where trillions of sapient beings chose to continue serving him out of their own free will, because the alternative was worse in their minds.
Lucas and the liberals see the SW Empire as uncompromisingly evil. Yet they failed to answer why an army of volunteers that spanned the whole galaxy kept serving it despite its crimes. I mean, unpopular monarchs get whacked all the time. Chinese emperors that lose popular support lose their Mandate of Heaven and get coup'ed by their nobles. Unpopular Roman emperors get whacked by their generals or Praetorian Guard. Same with the Byzantine emperors, who suffered from a long history of regicide against unpopular rulers. There's only so much propaganda can explain. Especially when the New Republic lacked the same numbers as the Empire; meaning that less people volunteered to work for them in both versions of SW canon.
Combining the lore flubs of writers with people's real-world frustrations with liberal democracy ends with many a villain who started off as metaphorical punching bags becoming anti-heroes with their own fanbases. Hell, even before democracy began to wear out its reputation, this was already a trend, with groups like the 501st Legion being Imperial cosplayers in real life.
I swear that if any Disney Star Wars property is going to have that revisionist treatment long term, it feels more likely it is the stuff Dave Filoni made than Iger's retarded trilogy. Say what you will about Filoni, but at least his stuff actually appeals to children and has enough jingling keys to get the manchildren on board.
It depends. People liked the Mandalorian for the most part, but they're getting tired of Filoni making Ahsoka into the Gandalf the White of Star Wars when that was Kenobi's job. Moff Gideon and his close Imperial lackeys were cool, but the rest of the Empire in the Filoniverse sans Palpatine, Tarkin, Vader, and Thrawn are useless goofballs. Hell, the fact that the Inquisitor in the most recent Asajj Ventress show fought well against her was obviously a response to the memetic loser reputation the Filoniverse Inquisitors have; a problem the old SWEU Inquisitors never had, with guys like Jerec potentially becoming just as much a problem as Vader and Palpatine.
The fact that Andor got a lot of traction recently was because it WASN'T Filoniverse SW. People got so tired of Filoni that Tony Gilroy making a Star Wars show for ANTIFA was seen as an upgrade, since the Empire was portrayed as a competent threat with realistic goals and means. Having the ISB get into turf wars with each other over jurisdiction was a better way of showing the Empire's problems than by having Stormtroopers be useless buffoons for the umpteenth time.
It depends. People liked the Mandalorian for the most part, but they're getting tired of Filoni making Ahsoka into the Gandalf the White of Star Wars when that was Kenobi's job. Moff Gideon and his close Imperial lackeys were cool, but the rest of the Empire in the Filoniverse sans Palpatine, Tarkin, Vader, and Thrawn are useless goofballs. Hell, the fact that the Inquisitor in the most recent Asajj Ventress show fought well against her was obviously a response to the memetic loser reputation the Filoniverse Inquisitors have; a problem the old SWEU Inquisitors never had, with guys like Jerec potentially becoming just as much a problem as Vader and Palpatine.
Yeah I'm just saying if it was between the Sequels or Filoni's stuff, Filoni's stuff would have more appeal compared to that trilogy. But yeah Filoni's shows kinda suck, and hell you mention Thrawn, but Filoni's Thrawn is pretty much a dumbass whose plans fall under "idiot writer thinks smart people are wizards" territory.
The fact that Andor got a lot of traction recently was because it WASN'T Filoniverse SW. People got so tired of Filoni that Tony Gilroy making a Star Wars show for ANTIFA was seen as an upgrade, since the Empire was portrayed as a competent threat with realistic goals and means. Having the ISB get into turf wars with each other over jurisdiction was a better way of showing the Empire's problems than by having Stormtroopers be useless buffoons for the umpteenth time.
It also helps that Andor shows more of how regular people are under the Empire and being the first "adult" star wars show which is not something people expected in current Star Wars (aka the stuff that's considered "canon" by Disney). Personally, would love if Gilroy kind of stayed on to make a Star Wars show focused on internal Empire politics, because he really did a great job with the Empire and made them feel more grounded compared to Filoni's saturday morning hijinks.
Though Andor isn't the only thing, since while I haven't watched them, a lot of the stuff that lacks Filoni's influence that isn't the Sequel Trilogy seems to be well liked in the realm of Disney Star Wars.
So I guess the best way to make good Star Wars is have creative talented people involved without the creative minds behind the Sequel Trilogy and the greatest star wars character ever, Trapper Wolf.
This is only really Star Wars adjacent but Ive been playing Star Wars Battlefront 2 for the first time cause it was on sale for 5 bucks, not only is it a disappointing game even when working as intended but it is the most hacked video game I have ever played, to the point that last night at least it was entirely unplayable due to one specific guy who somehow was crashing every 40 player server simultaneously somehow. Why cant a good tar Wars Battlefield game be made it seems like all the pieces are there?
Andor isn't even really getting a lot of traction. The viewership seems to be similar to The Acolyte which got cancelled. And you don't see anyone talking about it outside the fandom bubble. It's just a loud minority who is watching it. These shows are so expensive that to truly be successful they would need to be The Boys or Game of Thrones level mainstream popular. Only The Mandalorian achieved that and that was largely thanks to Baby Yoda going viral. That makes three shows in row with bad viewership (The Acolyte, Skeleton Crew and Andor). In one decade Disney has managed to make Star Wars basically irrelevant in pop culture.
This is only really Star Wars adjacent but Ive been playing Star Wars Battlefront 2 for the first time cause it was on sale for 5 bucks, not only is it a disappointing game even when working as intended but it is the most hacked video game I have ever played, to the point that last night at least it was entirely unplayable due to one specific guy who somehow was crashing every 40 player server simultaneously somehow. Why cant a good tar Wars Battlefield game be made it seems like all the pieces are there?
The lack of Star Wars games is so annoying and there's zero reason for it. At least if there were more games some of them might be good and maybe even build a foundation for more stories. It's obvious Lucasfilm themselves can't do it, so the best thing they could do is let other people work with the IP. But instead when we do get a game its shit like Outlaws, which was obviously creatively strangled to death by "the vision" that Lucasfilm and Kathleen Kennedy impose on the franchise.
Andor isn't even really getting a lot of traction. The viewership seems to be similar to The Acolyte which got cancelled. And you don't see anyone talking about it outside the fandom bubble. It's just a loud minority who is watching it. These shows are so expensive that to truly be successful they would need to be The Boys or Game of Thrones level mainstream popular. Only The Mandalorian achieved that and that was largely thanks to Baby Yoda going viral. That makes three shows in row with bad viewership (The Acolyte, Skeleton Crew and Andor). In one decade Disney has managed to make Star Wars basically irrelevant in pop culture.
The lack of Star Wars games is so annoying and there's zero reason for it. At least if there were more games some of them might be good and maybe even build a foundation for more stories. It's obvious Lucasfilm themselves can't do it, so the best thing they could do is let other people work with the IP. But instead when we do get a game its shit like Outlaws, which was obviously creatively strangled to death by "the vision" that Lucasfilm and Kathleen Kennedy impose on the franchise.
