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[no-exit]

Am I going crazy or has Catholicism always been misspelled in the thread title?

 

[Bothriolepis]

Honorius was declared a Heretic by an Ecumenical Council; because under Roman Catholic Canon Law heresy automatically excommunicates you atae sententiae (meaning instantly and without the need of any formal or juridical recognition), this means that Honorius wasn't just anathematized after death—he removed himself automatically from the Church at the time.

I'm not a Catholic (actually, I  am an excommunicant heretic in the eyes of the Vatican), but this part of your argument doesn't exactly foster confidence in your ability to understand finer points of Catholic doctrine. I see what you're trying to argue here, but it relies on the text of the current Code of Canon Law, which was promulgated and took effect in 1983. Pope Honorius I died in the early 7th century, over a millennium before it was written. Canon law censures, like Honorius'  anathema, can be posthumous, but they aren't usually retroactive. There are strict definitions for when an automatic penalty is applied, and nothing that would suggest it would be incurred by someone acting under duress more than 1300 years ago.

 

[Local Farmer]

Am I going crazy or has Catholicism always been misspelled in the thread title?
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No, this is a cat owner appreciation thread, don’t know why theirs so Many Catholics here

 

[Preacher ✝]

irst homily he delivered just now was very interesting

That first Homily was amazing

Here it is for anyone wanting to listen.

 

[Local Farmer]

Yeah this guy is not liberal, I’m calling it right now, his positions on immigration are far clearer then Francis’, he has a very heavy handed traditionalist background and symbols on his coat of arms.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

I'm no fan of immigration, but spend your time long enough in the shitpits of the Earth around the bottom of the 99.99% and you will have a WHOLE different perspective on poverty and people who genuinely need help.

 

[Hassou Tobi]

https://substack.com/home/post/p-163196203

It homes in on two macro-themes that loom just as today, if not larger, and carry special relevance for the role in which Leo XIV now begins his service: firstly the inadequacy of instrumental power to order human life, unless it is accompanied by moral authority, and secondly the rise of what Schmitt called “economic-technical thinking”, and the Church’s role in relation to such thinking.

The paper opens by describing a pattern of criticism faced by Roman Catholicism, which Schmitt argues recurs throughout modernity: specifically, its longstanding resistance to being corralled by any one secular political agenda.

 

[Hassou Tobi]

Take, Lord, and receive all my liberty, my memory, my understanding, and my entire will, all that I have and possess. You have given all to me. To you, O Lord, I return it. All is yours, dispose of it wholly according to your will. Give me only your love and your grace, for this is enough for me.

 

[Preacher ✝]

Happy Mother's Day!

 

[Local Farmer]

I'd get out of it if I were you
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Oh no a schizo post, my religion is destroyed

 

[Oligarca Caballero]

I'd get out of it if I were you
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[Local Farmer]

St. Ignatius of Laconi - May 11

Ignatius was the son of a poor farmer in Laconi, Italy. He was born on December 17, 1701. When he was about seventeen, he became very ill. He promised to be a Franciscan if he would get better. But when the illness left him, his father convinced him to wait. A couple of years later, Ignatius was almost killed when he lost control of his horse. Suddenly, however, the horse stopped and trotted on quietly. Ignatius was convinced, then, that God had saved his life. He made up his mind to follow his religious vocation at once.

Brother Ignatius never had any important position in the Franciscan order. For fifteen years he worked in the weaving shed. Then, for forty years, he was part of the team who went out from house to house. They requested food and donations to support the friars. Ignatius visited families and received their gift. But the people soon realized that they received a gift in return. Brother Ignatius consoled the sick and cheered up the lonely. He made peace between enemies, converted people hardened by sin and advised those in trouble. They began to wait for his visits.

There were some difficult days, too. Once in a while, a door was slammed in his face, and often the weather was bad. Always, there were miles and miles to walk. But Ignatius was dedicated. Yet people noticed he used to skip one house. The owner was a rich moneylender. He made the poor pay back much more than they could afford. This man felt humiliated because Ignatius never visited his home to ask for donations. He complained to Brother Ignatius' superior. The superior knew nothing about the moneylender so he sent Ignatius to his home. Brother Ignatius never said a word, but did as he was told. He returned with a large sack of food. It was then that God worked a miracle. When the sack was emptied, blood dripped out. "This is the blood of the poor," Ignatius explained softly. "That is why I never ask for anything at that house." The friars began to pray that the moneylender would repent.

Brother Ignatius died at the age of eighty, on May 11, 1781. He was proclaimed a saint by Pope Pius XII in 1951.

Ignatius of Laconi, Pray for Us.

 

[Amerikaner Teddybär]

I'd get out of it if I were you
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Fun fact: Most assertations that the Catholic Church is pagan stem from Free Church of Scotland Alexander Hislop, whose 1853 pamphlet The Two Babylons attempts to discredit the Catholic Church by claiming it is the Whore of Babylon described in the Book of Revelation. This work however is heavily flawed with bogus pseudo-intellectual claims that are superficial at best and downright wrong at worst. This of course, came at a time when anti-Catholic sentiment was high in both America and Britain so it had quite the audience and its influence can still be felt to present day, as seen with the video you've posted. Luckily, Hislop and his work have been discredited at large by both secular and religious scholars due to it's poor methodology and logical fallacies.

In short, congratulations you've fallen for a 19th century Anti-Catholic propaganda piece that had little in the way of logical, biblical, historical, or scientific basis that has been picked up by a pack of rambunctious, babbling baboons.

 

[Local Farmer]

Fun fact: Most assertations that the Catholic Church is pagan stem from Free Church of Scotland Alexander Hislop, whose 1853 pamphlet The Two Babylons attempts to discredit the Catholic Church by claiming it is the Whore of Babylon described in the Book of Revelation. This work however is heavily flawed with bogus pseudo-intellectual claims that are superficial at best and downright wrong at worst. This of course, came at a time when anti-Catholic sentiment was high in both America and Britain so it had quite the audience and its influence can still be felt to present day, as seen with the video you've posted. Luckily, Hislop and his work have been discredited at large by both secular and religious scholars due to it's poor methodology and logical fallacies.

In short, congratulations you've fallen for a 19th century Anti-Catholic propaganda piece that had little in the way of logical, biblical, historical, or scientific basis that has been picked up by a pack of rambunctious, babbling baboons.

The OG Schizo

 

[A Very Big Fish]

The OG Schizo

Speaking of Schizos rambling about Catholics, I would like to share this inspired Muslim fellow.

Turns out the Catholic church was started in 300 BC by Alexander the Great. It's on OUR website! Ignore the fact that Alexander had unfortunately caught a bad case of dead by 300, let's be charitable and assume our dear Sheikh is just saying the 4th century BC. Why the incredibly Pagan Alexander decided to randomly start a monotheistic religion based off continuity with Judaism goes unexplained.

The only words I can use to describe Christians who convert to Islam, would beyond a shadow of a doubt, require me to go to confession.

 

[Formica Sample]

Yeah this guy is not liberal, I’m calling it right now, his positions on immigration are far clearer then Francis’, he has a very heavy handed traditionalist background and symbols on his coat of arms.

I'm going to keep withholding my judgment until he actually does something. So far, I'm really liking a lot of what he's said, but it's just words.

Plus, I think I've heard he holds both sides of pretty much every topic at this point. He's called the LGBT anti-Gospel in the past, but I've also heard he's pro-LGBT. I've heard he's a Never Trumper, but I've also heard he voted for Trump. I've heard he's pro-immigration, but I also saw a video of a homily he gave some years ago where he called immigration a serious problem. I've heard him called a hardcore socialist, and I've heard him called the most based pope in recent history.

Seriously, can people give him a chance to actually do something before they pass judgment? Then again, that wouldn't get clicks, and I've been actively avoiding a lot of media coverage surrounding him. Secular media in particular. I've always found it irritating how, as soon as a new topic becomes the "big current issue," suddenly everyone's an expert. It happened with tariffs, with Israel vs. Palestine, China, etc. Now, people who haven't set foot in any church in decades are suddenly experts on 2,000 years of Church history and ecclesiastical politics.

Again, I'm just going to wait until he actually does something.

 

[des Pudels Kern]

Again, I'm just going to wait until he actually does something.

I'm hoping we get something like an order to allow all diocesan priests to freely offer the latin Mass without persecution from the Bishop's.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Is gossiping on KF about regards sinful? I felt the need to confess it, but don't plan on stopping...

Yes, and you WILL go to Hell, but not for that.

 

[Fillet-O-Fishh]

Hello friends, a question, perhaps more of a storytime.
I recently attended my Grandfathers funeral, instead of it being a traditional (Hmong) funeral, they went the shorter, Christian route. Now I know God will not turn him away, but all my life I've asked to attend church, my father had refused but since the passing of my Grandmother some years ago a large majority of family now say they are Christian. Is this because they fear death and where they may go after? Much like how criminals often "Find God" while incarcerated? The family has had strong Shaman beliefs for decades, and now it's odd that it's changed.
As a Catholic I feel it's odd to see almost everyone convert, though should I really be upset if they turned to Him?

 

[Preacher ✝]

As a Catholic I feel it's odd to see almost everyone convert, though should I really be upset if they turned to Him?

It is not at all uncommon for people to find God through adversity, be it incarceration or the inevitablity of death. Regardless of when and why they came to God, you should be elated at their salvation.

Remember the Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard

Matthew 20:1-16
1 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard. 2 After agreeing with the laborers for a denarius a day, he sent them into his vineyard. 3 And going out about the third hour he saw others standing idle in the market place; 4 and to them he said, ‘You go into the vineyard too, and whatever is right I will give you.’ So they went. 5 Going out again about the sixth hour and the ninth hour, he did the same. 6 And about the eleventh hour he went out and found others standing; and he said to them, ‘Why do you stand here idle all day?’ 7 They said to him, ‘Because no one has hired us.’ He said to them, ‘You go into the vineyard too.’ 8 And when evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his steward, ‘Call the laborers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last, up to the first.’ 9 And when those hired about the eleventh hour came, each of them received a denarius. 10 Now when the first came, they thought they would receive more; but each of them also received a denarius. 11 And on receiving it they grumbled at the householder, 12 saying, ‘These last worked only one hour, and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the day and the scorching heat.’ 13 But he replied to one of them, ‘Friend, I am doing you no wrong; did you not agree with me for a denarius? 14 Take what belongs to you, and go; I choose to give to this last as I give to you. 15 Am I not allowed to do what I choose with what belongs to me? Or do you begrudge my generosity?' 16 So the last will be first, and the first last.”

In other news, Father David Michael Moses on YouTube covered Pope Leo XIV's first Address to the College of Cardinals: