Western Animation - Discuss American, Canadian, and European cartoons here (or just bitch about wokeshit, I guess)

[Autistic Gunspergings]

The only allegory I got from zootopia was the typical "you can accomplish your dreams if you work hard enough for it". Like Judy was a small, unassuming bunny rabbit, and no one believed she would become an officer, or believed she solve the whole predators going feral case because of it, but she managed to prove herself because she was determined to do so.

It has been almost a decade now since I last saw that movie so I'm certainly forgetting a few things here, but that is the one "theme" that I remember from that movie. Maybe I need to watch it again.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Tbh the racial allegory just ends up making the Zootopia abortion comic so much funnier in hindsight since that wasn't the creator's thought-process at all, and yet it can be used as such if prey animals are black and that there's a perfectly good reason why black women are undesirable.

But anyhoo all I ever hear anymore is if Disney's gonna make Nick/Judy canon because that's the only thing that matters.

 

[Newcomer 42]

I am not saying anyone is superior or inferior inherently based on genetics. But if your going to try and write realistic racial allegories in Hollywood that acknowledges that genetic differences exist, than you better be prepared to wait until the heat death of the universe for it to get picked up or write a complex enough fantasy tale that the suits don't realize what the fuck your actually saying in the subtext.

I wonder: Are X-Men to blame to some extent, as they kept making superhumans the "opressed minorities" since the 60s and thus they muddied the waters from the start?

But anyhoo all I ever hear anymore is if Disney's gonna make Nick/Judy canon because that's the only thing that matters.

It's not like there are that many pairings so they might as well. What I wonder is if they'll dare to show them kissing on screen.

 

[Colon capital V]

Time for some more 80s kino

 

[AnOminous]

Edit: one might think that was intentional and a clever thing to be like "racism is bad no matter who does it and nobody benefits from racism," but I don't know if I trust Disney that way.

I think it was actually good writing not to make any of the animals explicit analogies for human races, which would inevitably have been cringe. It's the last movie from Disney that isn't wokeshit so far as I can tell, and handled a complex issue in a nuanced way while still being suitable for children.

I can't imagine current year Disney making such a movie and I'm somewhat baffled they even managed to make it when they did, considering they were well down the slippery slope by 2016. Hell it even had a cop as a positive role model, something I recall lots of woketards autistically screeching about.

It's not like there are that many pairings so they might as well. What I wonder is if they'll dare to show them kissing on screen.

Please God no. It would be nice if Disney left one property of theirs un-shat-up with current year bullshit.

 

[BigBadBastich]

It's not like there are that many pairings so they might as well. What I wonder is if they'll dare to show them kissing on screen.

The entire second movie's premise is about a talking snake, its probably going to be something outlandish and dealing with the worldbuilding of the setting itself than any societal allegories like the first movie.

 

[Coolio55]

I think it was actually good writing not to make any of the animals explicit analogies for human races, which would inevitably have been cringe. It's the last movie from Disney that isn't wokeshit so far as I can tell, and handled a complex issue in a nuanced way while still being suitable for children.

I can't imagine current year Disney making such a movie and I'm somewhat baffled they even managed to make it when they did, considering they were well down the slippery slope by 2016. Hell it even had a cop as a positive role model, something I recall lots of woketards autistically screeching about.

Not only that - it's a piece of anthro media that doesn't go insane.
That's a massive achievement alone.

 

[Trilby]

The entire second movie's premise is about a talking snake, its probably going to be something outlandish and dealing with the worldbuilding of the setting itself than any societal allegories like the first movie.

I bet. Expect reptiles to be the new inclusive group to be highlighted.

 

[Chilson]

I wonder: Are X-Men to blame to some extent, as they kept making superhumans the "opressed minorities" since the 60s and thus they muddied the waters from the start?

The X-Men are a prime example. Ignoring that being a nigger is not the equivalent of having badass super powers, but Mutants in the X-Men either put the entire world at risk of annihilation or wiping out all non-mutants on a regular basis. Justifying the very stigma and precautions leveled against them.

I get that is the nature of comic books, but it really keeps capping the stories racial allegory in the knees.

 

[ShiftyBoi]

Time for some more 80s kino

Holy shit an 80s cartoon with more than 3 expressions, I feel like I'm drinking water for the first time in 13 years.

It's ironic, I recently watched Heavy Metal, and I noticed something.
The segments that aren't supposed to be action packed are animated incredibly, and the shorts that are supposed to be exciting are done so cheap and bad that they become funnier than the comedic segments.
I will take the animation in Harry Canyon or Captain Stern any day over Den or the shitty segment at the end.

 

[Grand Duke Snowfall]

The X-Men are a prime example. Ignoring that being a nigger is not the equivalent of having badass super powers, but Mutants in the X-Men either put the entire world at risk of annihilation or wiping out all non-mutants on a regular basis. Justifying the very stigma and precautions leveled against them.

I get that is the nature of comic books, but it really keeps capping the stories racial allegory in the knees.

I always think about that one story where this kid turned into a mutant upon hitting puberty, and his power was destroying all organic matter within a wide radius. He was horrified to learn that he’d unintentionally killed his parents and classmates, and Wolverine mercy killed him. Trying to make a good race allegory with that is just retarded.
I’m also now remembering this shit, mainly because the responses make me laugh.

To try and keep it on the subject of Western animation, I remember so many people being like “Umm Magneto has a point”. What is it with the chronically online always going to bat for the violent warmongers, whether they be aliens, mutants, etc? Is it just the misanthropy?

 

[Trilby]

Holy shit an 80s cartoon with more than 3 expressions, I feel like I'm drinking water for the first time in 13 years.

Not bad for a studio from Ottawa. I've got xeroxes of drawings and scenes from this special I hadn't seen before this showed up on YouTube a couple years back.

Here's another obscure effort this same studio did.

 

[The Nothingness]

To try and keep it on the subject of Western animation, I remember so many people being like “Umm Magneto has a point”. What is it with the chronically online always going to bat for the violent warmongers, whether they be aliens, mutants, etc? Is it just the misanthropy?

It could be that or the general "look how badass and edgy I am!" Of course if they were just humans in these universes, they would likely end up killed by Magneto or enslaved by Darkseid.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

Not to sidetrack, but Villainous returning soon?

https://www.instagram.com/miss_heed/

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

Not to sidetrack, but Villainous returning soon?
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https://www.instagram.com/miss_heed/

Oh god, please no.

 

[Cave Fisher]

Not to sidetrack, but Villainous returning soon?
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https://www.instagram.com/miss_heed/

That shitty show that kept trying to go "Look how powerful my black suit wearing OC is! He's totally stronger and scarier than all of CN's most iconic characters lol!" then promptly got ignored by everybody?

 

[Bruno Powroznik]

https://x.com/kingofthehill/status/1922705972604305841

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/H9cHS

I had zero hope for this, none at all. But seeing art of dale (rip johnny) wearing some apple thing on his head shows me exactly where this show is going to go. It will be like futurama but worse.

 

[Ambient Occlusion]

https://x.com/kingofthehill/status/1922705972604305841

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/H9cHS

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I had zero hope for this, none at all. But seeing art of dale (rip johnny) wearing some apple thing on his head shows me exactly where this show is going to go. It will be like futurama but worse.

I honestly loved both Beavis & Butthead reboots, so I had some hope for this, but seeing that image killed it for me. I can tell the whole season will just be "modern times, amiright???"

 

[BigBadBastich]

I remember so many people being like “Umm Magneto has a point”. What is it with the chronically online always going to bat for the violent warmongers, whether they be aliens, mutants, etc? Is it just the misanthropy?

OG Magneto's outlook on humanity and the future of mutants was founded on past experiences in his life. But he was also very abusive, megalomaniacal and domineering to other mutants and also wanted to conquer the world in his own image. So while his past is tragic, ultimately hes still a villain whos plans for both mankind and mutants needed to be stopped. In the one timeline where Magnus took over the world, you still had class division and castes of mutants above other mutants, so the problem doesn't really fucking fix itself. Even if you restrict it to the movies themselves, Magneto thinks of lesser mutants not in his inner-circle as pawns. Hes completely willing to kill a mutant child and Wolverine. Magneto at his best shouldn't be some martyr figure who can completely deconstruct humanity, because thats just fundamentally ignoring the laundry list of war crimes and personal faults.

 

[Brenda Holiday]

That shitty show that kept trying to go "Look how powerful my black suit wearing OC is! He's totally stronger and scarier than all of CN's most iconic characters lol!" then promptly got ignored by everybody?

I remember being interested when the concept art dropped but stopped paying attention around the time it started being dubbed... was it bad? The shorts were pretty funny.