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So it seems even with steamforged games handling it, Warmachine is still a quality control dumpster fire with people repeatedly needing to request replacement models because shit shows up broken
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After having spent $200-300 on printed Cygnar models most of them were broke on arrival or broke with gentle handling during painting. This was a year ago and I'm still mad. I know I can write to privateer/SFG And they'll probably replace the broken models, but I honestly don't want more junk. It's sounds like other people have experienced the same thing. I'm very disappointed.
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I am waiting for my LFGS to receive another shipment of the Brineblood frog cadre by SFG as the one I got had some minis shattered, the replacement also had a bunch of limps and parts broken off, which led to them checking the other packs they had which were all broken excessively.

I'm hoping that's not an issue anymore but that batch seemed to be of particularly bad quality. The PP box I got before was amazing in quality, but I've heard of other people with problems with PP. Hopefully SFG figured out what went wrong with the frogs.
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And there's plenty of cope with people assuming if they just wait more that SFG will fix the problem, or be shipping printed shit from one country instead of another, or that it was just older PP stock or whatever else.

Lets look around the sub to see the current state of the game, the warmahordes community was notoriously autistic about measuring templates with calipers, arguing over millimeters, and so on
Seems they removed the spray template from the game and told people to draw a line instead of using a template so now they're arguing over how infinitely thin a one-dimensional line might be. Holy fucking shit. When someone says to just use a laser pointer
Technically, it is infinitely thin. Practically, it's the width of a laser pointer, and you and your opponent measure until you both agree which models are under the line.
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They get told about the thickness of a laser pointer line due to someone changing the lens or height of the pointer
That's what I usually do, but the thickness of laser pointer lines varies depending on their lense and height from a position. A longer spray line thus becomes thicker and can hit more models (green line misses orange base, purple line hits orange base)

I was hoping there was a bit more clarity but sadly it doesnt seem so
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You draw the line from the center of your of the shooting model’s base to the targeted model. Anything that line intersects is hit by the spray. Use a laser if this is too hard to figure out.

But a line is a line. It only has one dimension, length. It does not have width. If it has width, it is not a line, it is a rectangle. This is basic geometry.
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asked because I keep running into edge cases where at one thickness we have a hit but in another its a miss. I exaggerated for better illustration purposes but the thickness of a laser pointer varies from its height to the table so I was hoping for something a bit more concrete

Someone else's response made me realize I should probably mention:

I'm an ME with a fab shop, I have a portable precision laser line tool with a variable line thickness, it goes down to 0.01mm thickness. I can turn misses into hits in real time by adjusting the line thickness, which is what spurred this question.
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They've got a community so fucking autistic that they're arguing about the potential width of a laser line due to holding it higher or lower above the table. That's certainly a sign of a game community that people will willingly engage with. They also apparently don't even publish a PDF of the rules anymore, insisting everyone use the stupid app. Hell, apparently no one thought to just use the edge of the damned laser line instead of the thickness of the line itself?
 
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Speaking of shit arriving broken, more Trench Crusade backers are getting orders with broken, missing, warped, and incorrect models. People are being patient so far, but there are still whales who are just now finding out that they've been pushed to the back of the shipping queue, and some people are getting pissy in the comments about lack of communication from the TC team and Only Games. If this keeps up I'm guessing that goodwill is going to start bleeding away.
 
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Second Missing Primarch said:
Speaking of shit arriving broken, more Trench Crusade backers are getting orders with broken, missing, warped, and incorrect models. People are being patient so far, but there are still whales who are just now finding out that they've been pushed to the back of the shipping queue, and some people are getting pissy in the comments about lack of communication from the TC team and Only Games. If this keeps up I'm guessing that goodwill is going to start bleeding away.
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I guess they spent all that time picking a fight with architect instead of. actually building a quality product.
 
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Speaking of shit arriving broken, more Trench Crusade backers are getting orders with broken, missing, warped, and incorrect models. People are being patient so far, but there are still whales who are just now finding out that they've been pushed to the back of the shipping queue, and some people are getting pissy in the comments about lack of communication from the TC team and Only Games. If this keeps up I'm guessing that goodwill is going to start bleeding away.
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I can understand with the production happening in waves not everything can ship at once. But at the very least for the whales... get their stuff to them in batches as well rather than making them wait till last. What the fuck sense does it make to buy the most expensive option with the most shit, and then find out after the fact that you can't get anything because you're dead last in line?

Common sense would tell you that the whales would generally be the biggest... champions of whatever it is you're selling(a game in this case). It's whales who get a handful of armies ready to go quickly so they can show their uninterested friends the game and try to get them hyped on it. But somehow they thought fucking the whales on their purchases would be the best idea?
 
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Second Missing Primarch said:
Speaking of shit arriving broken, more Trench Crusade backers are getting orders with broken, missing, warped, and incorrect models. People are being patient so far, but there are still whales who are just now finding out that they've been pushed to the back of the shipping queue, and some people are getting pissy in the comments about lack of communication from the TC team and Only Games. If this keeps up I'm guessing that goodwill is going to start bleeding away.
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their whole "hobby first, business second" strategy is working out wonders for them
 
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their whole "hobby first, business second" strategy is working out wonders for them
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Sadly for them they don't get to do what games workshop pulled for years of being a "model company first" since the brand isn't there. They aren't Tamiya, they aren't Revel and they certainly aren't Airfix. TC would have been best served as an ttrpg at first then move into skirmish / wargame a few editions in.
 
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Inquisitor_BadAss said:
Sadly for them they don't get to do what games workshop pulled for years of being a "model company first" since the brand isn't there. They aren't Tamiya, they aren't Revel and they certainly aren't Airfix. TC would have been best served as an ttrpg at first then move into skirmish / wargame a few editions in.
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they could've easily made bank by carefully curating and estimating their STLs and then jumping to Physical with a much more dedicated partner further down the line, or doing what Marcher did and trying to jump into plastic after a kickstarter (or a sales milestone) but they wanted to take their cake and eat it too. Their STLs were actually filled with issues too, so it was a rushed and underestimated launch throughout, one men teams and smaller indie companies have done larger projects without as many issues as they have, sometimes even with shipping physicals
 
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I might put the macro lens to work tomorrow and take some pics of the TC minis. I supported the first wave on KS for the physical models and they've been gathering dust ever since I saw the state of them. Thankfully they gave away the STLs for free on their first KS. I haven't seen anything from their second KS, but if the shit I got my hands on is anything to by then people are in for a rocky ride.
 
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They've got a community so fucking autistic that they're arguing about the potential width of a laser line due to holding it higher or lower above the table. That's certainly a sign of a game community that people will willingly engage with. They also apparently don't even publish a PDF of the rules anymore, insisting everyone use the stupid app. Hell, apparently no one thought to just use the edge of the damned laser line instead of the thickness of the line itself?
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This is exactly why ranged combat makes or breaks a game for me now. I've had too many autistic fights over that shit.

MonPoc only cared about distance. (No LOS, cover only granted you +1 def.) And Unmatched rocks because it's literally color matched spaces on the board. No arguments possible.

LOTR TMG eventually settled on a good system as well.
 
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would have been best served as an ttrpg at first then move into skirmish / wargame a few editions in.
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Trench Crusade as a ttrpg sounds fantastic. Use BRP/CoC system for brutal combat as well as psychology of demonic trench warfare. Play it like Only War and it could be a niche but dedicated rpg.
 
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Trench Crusade updates!

They have a gay ARG going for unveiling one of their new factions or subfactions

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They released a decently produced video about some of its lore on its own

They've consolidated atleast two sub-factions out of their discord niggery prisons, but theres atleast 4 or 5 other variants total that are still there, afaik

The funnier bit is that the subreddit had to police "horny" art of its characters, mostly of the artillery witch
Instead of banning it outright, they just restricted it to Mondays, because you gotta have your softcore porn to goon to atleast once a week!

Theres otherwise no updates on the other pressing matters like Onlygames' fuckery, the STLs being janky, or any indications of the broader stretch goals they hit being worked on or being realized. Either on the website, or the discord, the Bluesky is the most updated, and none of the posts have any more than 100 likes
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Trench Crusade updates!

They have a gay ARG going for unveiling one of their new factions or subfactions

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They released a decently produced video about some of its lore on its own

They've consolidated atleast two sub-factions out of their discord niggery prisons, but theres atleast 4 or 5 other variants total that are still there, afaik

The funnier bit is that the subreddit had to police "horny" art of its characters, mostly of the artillery witch
Instead of banning it outright, they just restricted it to Mondays, because you gotta have your softcore porn to goon to atleast once a week!

Theres otherwise no updates on the other pressing matters like Onlygames' fuckery, the STLs being janky, or any indications of the broader stretch goals they hit being worked on or being realized. Either on the website, or the discord, the Bluesky is the most updated, and none of the posts have any more than 100 likes
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1: The Arg is spelled "For Locus have no kings".
2: Didn't watch their lore but I've seen other shills and dickriders talk about the lore.
3: It's pretty indicative that no one uses PDFSky.
 
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The funnier bit is that the subreddit had to police "horny" art of its characters, mostly of the artillery witch
Instead of banning it outright, they just restricted it to Mondays, because you gotta have your softcore porn to goon to atleast once a week!
https://www.reddit.com/r/TrenchCrusade/comments/1kygdux/meta_hornyposting_quarantine/ https://archive.ph/yLvV7
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Out of morbid curiosity I had to see wtf they're posting... NSFW fanfic, and of course minis and "art"

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and of course there's tons more of this shit. wtf is wrong with these people? Wait, don't answer that, I know what is wrong with them. It's as if there's been an infestation of people into the community who only exist because they found something new they could draw shit for to jerk off to. Certainly a franchise that'll stick around long term. It's not like they couldn't just ban the shit entirely, but I guess if they did do that, they'd lose half of their "community".
 
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Sunflower Samurai said:
Trench Crusade updates!

They have a gay ARG going for unveiling one of their new factions or subfactions

View attachment 7426902

They released a decently produced video about some of its lore on its own

They've consolidated atleast two sub-factions out of their discord niggery prisons, but theres atleast 4 or 5 other variants total that are still there, afaik

The funnier bit is that the subreddit had to police "horny" art of its characters, mostly of the artillery witch
Instead of banning it outright, they just restricted it to Mondays, because you gotta have your softcore porn to goon to atleast once a week!

Theres otherwise no updates on the other pressing matters like Onlygames' fuckery, the STLs being janky, or any indications of the broader stretch goals they hit being worked on or being realized. Either on the website, or the discord, the Bluesky is the most updated, and none of the posts have any more than 100 likes
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Funnily enough I got all of the STL's for free day one, so if you want them hit me up instead of giving those faggots any money.
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Out of morbid curiosity I had to see wtf they're posting... NSFW fanfic, and of course minis and "art"

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and of course there's tons more of this shit. wtf is wrong with these people? Wait, don't answer that, I know what is wrong with them. It's as if there's been an infestation of people into the community who only exist because they found something new they could draw shit for to jerk off to. Certainly a franchise that'll stick around long term. It's not like they couldn't just ban the shit entirely, but I guess if they did do that, they'd lose half of their "community".
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This is the audience they chose over christians and history buffs btw. Cant wait for them to run their game into the ground.
 
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