Undertale

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This is the shadow mantle. Pain in the ass fight. Now gotta find the boss
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I beat Chapter 3.


So the way you get to the secret stuff is by getting an S rank at the end of every round, once you get an S rank, go into the S-rank changing rooms and talk to Ramb, the little british dude on the left, he'll let you in to a backroom where you can play the unmodified version of Tenna's game. On the third and final time, you have to fight a shadow dude in a zelda-type battle, and once you beat it, you're able to pick up a shadow mantle. I'm not entirely sure this is the end though, as there's a manhole behind a curtain you can't open, I suspect it's something to do with the gacha system, as that's the only room that isn't walled off once you get back to the Greenroom. I also couldn't find the egg room, I tried a fair few of the areas that looked suspicious but I got nothing.

Onto the non-secret stuff though, god what a good antagonist Tenna is, he's much more believable and more grounded than the King and Queen despite his bombastic nature. His goal is pretty simply and relatable, he simply doesn't want to be forgotten, he doesn't want to be thrown away or replaced, so he makes you play these games forever, so he can keep entertaining you, forever. I love how in his dialogue relating to Spamton you can see that he really did try and adapt, try and learn new things so he could stay relevant, only for Spamton to get a phonecall and leave at the last moment. He's like a more fleshed out, less gay Mettaton. I really liked his character, it's clear he just wanted to be remembered, and I think that's something alot of people can relate to. The gameplay itself was also really fun, I liked the focus on the minigames and all of them being simple, yet fairly difficult challenges really helped up the ante in the "final" battle.

Also the character development we get on Susie just proves my point earlier, we learn that she was never the best at making friends, and the few times that people actually got close to her were as a joke, and the only times she actually made real friends, were the times she had to move away. So that's shy she puts up the facade and why she's suddenly so chipper when she finally trusts you, she puts up the act because she doesn't want to get hurt again, she doesn't want to risk making friends only to either learn that they were joking, or have to lose them again. You save her against the king, that's not a joke. So it's no wonder she opens up once we get back, sure you can argue that it should have been a bit slower still, and that's fair, but I think it solidly proves that what we saw in chapter 1 was an act.

GOD it feels so fucking GOOD to be RIGHT.

I'm gonna run through Chapter 3 again just to make sure I'm not missing anything though, if you guys find anything be sure to post it here, I really wanna see all this chapter has to offer.
 
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Once you have the shadow mantle, you fight the secret boss at the end of the chapter. You have to equip it cause it gives resistance to his attacks. Tenna was the trash in this chapter, so trash theory is keeping forward. You have to
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I wonder how much the game changed with snow grave cause the shadowmantle was heavily implying stuff with Noelle.
 
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Once you have the shadow mantle, you fight the secret boss at the end of the chapter. You have to equip it cause it gives resistance to his attacks. Tenna was the trash in this chapter, so trash theory is keeping forward. You have to
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I wonder how much the game changed with snow grave cause the shadowmantle was heavily implying stuff with Noelle.
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At this point, I'm working under the theory that the Roaring Knight is Dess, the horns feel like a dead giveaway. Also the fact that it only pretends to harm Kris when you beat it, while it slashes the other two. A promise in the dark.
 
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At this point, I'm working under the theory that the Roaring Knight is Dess, the horns feel like a dead giveaway. Also the fact that it only pretends to harm Kris when you beat it, while it slashes the other two. A promise in the dark.
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That's actually a good theory. A lot of stuff in chapter 3 have been thrown away or strenghthed. The shadowmantle telling Kris his knife has dulled (at least if you didn't snowgrave). The weird thing with that theory is that we see Kris/Chara open the TV fountain at the end of chpt 2, so would a Dess Roaring Knight just be coming in to damage control and getting credit for the fountain? Roaring Knight had no problems getting rid of Tenna once he was done. There's still all the Gaster stuff and the links to Spamton and Jevil and now Tenna up in the air. Especially the Mike stuff.
 
Cucktry Roads said:
That's actually a good theory. A lot of stuff in chapter 3 have been thrown away or strenghthed. The shadowmantle telling Kris his knife has dulled (at least if you didn't snowgrave). The weird thing with that theory is that we see Kris/Chara open the TV fountain at the end of chpt 2, so would a Dess Roaring Knight just be coming in to damage control and getting credit for the fountain? Roaring Knight had no problems getting rid of Tenna once he was done. There's still all the Gaster stuff and the links to Spamton and Jevil and now Tenna up in the air. Especially the Mike stuff.
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I think that something might have happened to Dess in the Light World that ended with her... well, losing her body/dying. And we actually know from Chapter 4 that Darkners patterned after memories of lost loved ones can exist, but can only appear in specific darknesses, and one for Gerson shows up at the final fight for Chapter 4. We also learn that Soulless Kris is attempting to fulfill a promise to somebody that speaks to them through a mobile phone.
 
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Did you guys see the weird route scene with Noelle?
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Is that her bedroom? With the troon flag colors?
Also, the sound mixing is shit, why are the dialogue chirps so fucking loud? The SFX overpowers the BGM. Is that an option the player adjusted, or is it always like that?
 
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Alright, so I'm pretty convinced the Knight is Dess at this point, the fact that Toriel was underneath a Christmas Tree, the weird abundance of baseballs in the Dark World (the moon in Noelle's room was one) (and iirc, baseball was mentioned as something Dess enjoyed, somewhere? It's been like half a decade and I don't want to replay just for one dialogue box.)
But the real kicker for me is what the knight's sword looks like before they grab it.
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That is a fucking baseball bat.
 
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Symbol of the Chud said:
Alright, so I'm pretty convinced the Knight is Dess at this point, the fact that Toriel was underneath a Christmas Tree, the weird abundance of baseballs in the Dark World (the moon in Noelle's room was one) (and iirc, baseball was mentioned as something Dess enjoyed, somewhere? It's been like half a decade and I don't want to replay just for one dialogue box.)
But the real kicker for me is what the knight's sword looks like before they grab it.
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That is a fucking baseball bat.
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I'm banging my head against the wall trying to actually beat it to get the shadow crystal, but yeah the shape of that weapon has really been standing out to me.
 
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I'm banging my head against the wall trying to actually beat it to get the shadow crystal, but yeah the shape of that weapon has really been standing out to me.
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On one of the knight's attacks where it rips the box apart it swings the sword like a bat too.
 
Alright time to go to bed, spent the last 6-7 hours fighting the chapter 3 shadow crystal boss with no luck. I really expect that thing to get nerfed at some point.
 
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