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Iraq was a military victory. Saddam is dead, his government toppled, ISIS later destroyed. We gained military bases in the region. I never said anything about political costs.
Yeah and the entire region is destabilized and we are still there dealing with the consequences GREAT SUCCESS YOU IDIOT.
 
Oh yeah not like the chief national security advisor wasn’t saying exactly that in 2017

“The declared policy of the United States should be the overthrow of the mullahs’ regime in Tehran.”

Our current un ambassador too btw
You mean the guy that Trump kicked out for being too much of an Iran hawk? Great example.

You'll note that while I never pinged him or quoted him, CTR saw his own ridiculous reasoning lampooned and felt it necessary to defend a comical strawman because in reality, his argument IS the strawman.
Everything I stated was exactly your position. You have no problems with Iran openly declaring that America should be destroyed, murdering Americans, smuggling drugs into the US, and banking for the cartels. When I ask why, you never answer and always hide behind strawmen that you make up. Why can't you answer concerns directly instead of hiding behind a layer of irony?

If it’s so weak and easy i guess Israel can take them out then, if it’s so easy why haven’t they done it already like with bombing saddams stuff
Because the US keeps stopping Israel from doing it.

They are either degenerate inbred goatfuckers who we can lick in a week or they are a serious threat it can’t be both.
can you not understand that when you give a retard a nuclear weapon, it makes the retard far more dangerous? Look at the houthi, they're barely human cavemen that are eternally high on khat but they are a danger because iran gave them missiles and taught them how to shoot them
 
The same people who constantly need to remind you about the 80 year old Holocaust are the same people asking you to forget about Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
Jews advocating all this "you must forgive niggers and browns who rape and murder your children" shit still harbor burning hot blood grudges over shit that happened 2000+ years ago."

In my country there is problem.
 
The same people who constantly need to remind you about the 80 year old Holocaust are the same people asking you to forget about Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
again hiding behind shitposts and irony instead of actually considering things. Vietnam/Iraq/Afghanistan were also examples of invasions, not limited airstrikes. Big difference. irony poisoned

Why are you pretending to not get the point. It’s really smarmy
I understand your point, your point goes against you. Trump hired Waltz, saw that he was too much of a hawk on Iran and the Houthi, and then removed him to a position where he doesn't have influence on those things. This is a sign that Trump isn't being a hawk on Iran.
 
Why are you pretending to not get the point. It’s really smarmy
He does this thing where he rabidly wants a conflict with Iran and when people say that maybe another mideast intervention is not desirable, he pretends all he wanted was a tiny airstrike.

He's a living motte and bailey.
He also gets really mad when you point out he's a brown dual citizen with zero actual loyalty to the United States and only sees us as a golem.
 
He does this thing where he rabidly wants a conflict with Iran and when people say that maybe another mideast intervention is not desirable, he pretends all he wanted was a tiny airstrike.
how do you have no theory of mind lmao. I've never called for a general conflict with Iran and was very clear that it stops at an airstrike on nuclear facilities. You can't comprehend this and think that airstrikes = total conflict. Since you have no theory of mind, you map your preconceived notions on me.

zero actual loyalty to the United States
Like I pointed out, you claim to be a loyal American but have no problems with Iran openly declaring that America should be destroyed, murdering Americans, smuggling drugs into the US, and banking for the cartels. How are you a loyal American in any way if you support Iran doing these things?
 
"we're just sending some military advisors to Saigon, only a retard would think this would mean we're invading and going to war. You guys lack critical thinking, no one's calling for invasion, just some bombing runs over Hanoi and this will be over by 1962"
fuck this post is so good I need to reply to it twice

Linebacker 1 and 2 were MAXIMUM effort bombing runs over Hanoi using B-52s to carpet bomb city blocks, this is not an exaggeration

Anyway without getting into the whole if we could have won argument, look at this
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This is so poignant to me in light of the recent "Ukrainian" attack on russias heavy bomber fleet of TU-95s


Quick summary is Ukraine says they destroyed 40+ heavy bombers, reality seems closer to 10 if that and the clip I include as well as MANY people and other outlets are making alot of hay about the fact that russia has closed the factory's for those heavy bombers years ago and so such losses cant be replaced.

The last B-52 rolled off the assembly line in 1962
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We only have about 75 left
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Taking all our OWN numbers we lost over 20% of the main arm of our strategic bomber fleet to kill non military targets, those planes lost over Hanoi, shot by 5'2 malnourished conscript with a wire guided, soviet era missile, were never rebuilt.

IDK what my main point of all this is, I just wish when we did dumb shit like that it was to take Canada or something useful like what Russia is doing for itself in Ukraine, their loses are still in the context of a bigger gain.

quick side note to all tech kiwis in the thread, not sure where ill get another chance to ask this so ill do it here. In light of the use of fiber optic and one way drones in Ukraine vs Russian due to the 2+ years of active jamming now, how on earth do we think they got footage of the airplane attack "Back" to hq. 1 or 3 options.

1. Self contained camera and hard drive, Fly there, shoot video, fly back to base INTACT on one battery. Extremely unlikely bordering on impossible

2. Wireless communication with CnC node, somehow bypassing Russian jamming and beyond that sending comms through contested lines of control unless you have a CnC node behind enemy lines, but that would raise even more questions. Extremely unlikely bordering on impossible

3. Fiber optic cable from launch point to strike point, this is puzzling as their stated narrative says they placed these drones in crates that were placed behind Russian lines over a year ago, Fiber Optic drones were VERY new then and beyond THAT fiber optic drones dont work in a swarm, they are single strike units.

All this leads to me conclude the videos are almost certainly state created "deepfakes" or more accurately some form of their stated version of the strike DID happen but the video was a work of fiction to make a propaganda representation of what they would imagine/like it to look like.
 
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