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Do you think the Iranians are just going to shrug and go "well I guess that's that we give up and surrender forever" after an airstrike?
Trump killed Soleimani and their best response were ineffective missile launches at US bases. Israel bombed an Iranian embassy in Syria and killed Haniyeh in the middle of Tehran in a protected area, that led to True Promise 1/2 which were Iranian missile attacks on Israel that were largely ineffective. Israel then destroyed Iranian air defenses which Iran didn't respond to at all, only promising that True Promise 3 would happen "at a time and place of their choosing."

The Iranians are fundamentally cowards and their technology mostly sucks. No other nation will intercede on their behalf either, Russia is too busy and China regards Iran as a pain in the ass. Once you factor in that Iran is going through strikes, a drought, and an energy crisis, it's questionable what their response will be at all.
 
I actually agree with this.

That was a different situation. The explicit idea behind the Michigan State Group in 1955 was to give a little support now and not have to send a lot more support later on. If you want, I can go digging for the primary source documents this weekend. I have them laying around in digital form somewhere.

Of course, the problem became that the communists in Vietnam were not fucking around, followed by all the communists in the US media who ran defense for them in the 1960's. Eisenhower did not want to send troops to Vietnam and neither did JFK. LBJ and his camp were the ones who pushed for US military intervention in Vietnam.

Either way, my point is that Vietnam was a lot more complicated than "nothing happens, Bay of Pigs, WAR." It was a conflict that really began with the Haiphong Incident in November 1946 and the US was tangled up in it from that point on.
You could argue that the seeds were sown with our idiotic support of France holding authority over Vietnam.
 
Look, Welper, I know American exceptionalism is a core tenet of the Church of Latter Day Saints but you're delusional if you think Iraq even remotely resembles a win. What did twenty years and billions upon billions of tax dollars get us in Iraq aside from lucrative contracts for Ratheon and thousands of dead sand people?
So a smaller group is being dominated and kinda sorta treated badly by the American government and you feel fine with that?

Are you sure you’re a real Mormon?
Iraq was a military victory. Saddam is dead, his government toppled, ISIS later destroyed. We gained military bases in the region. I never said anything about political costs.
 
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Trump killed Soleimani and their best response were ineffective missile launches at US bases. Israel bombed an Iranian embassy in Syria and killed Haniyeh in the middle of Tehran in a protected area, that led to True Promise 1/2 which were Iranian missile attacks on Israel that were largely ineffective. Israel then destroyed Iranian air defenses which Iran didn't respond to at all, only promising that True Promise 3 would happen "at a time and place of their choosing."

The Iranians are fundamentally cowards and their technology mostly sucks. No other nation will intercede on their behalf either, Russia is too busy and China regards Iran as a pain in the ass. Once you factor in that Iran is going through strikes, a drought, and an energy crisis, it's questionable what their response will be at all.
If it’s so weak and easy i guess Israel can take them out then, if it’s so easy why haven’t they done it already like with bombing saddams stuff

They are either degenerate inbred goatfuckers who we can lick in a week or they are a serious threat it can’t be both.
 
Iraq was a military victory. Saddam is dead, his government toppled, ISIS later destroyed. We gained military bases in the region. I never said anything about political costs.
Yeah and the entire region is destabilized and we are still there dealing with the consequences GREAT SUCCESS YOU IDIOT.
 
Oh yeah not like the chief national security advisor wasn’t saying exactly that in 2017

“The declared policy of the United States should be the overthrow of the mullahs’ regime in Tehran.”

Our current un ambassador too btw
You mean the guy that Trump kicked out for being too much of an Iran hawk? Great example.

You'll note that while I never pinged him or quoted him, CTR saw his own ridiculous reasoning lampooned and felt it necessary to defend a comical strawman because in reality, his argument IS the strawman.
Everything I stated was exactly your position. You have no problems with Iran openly declaring that America should be destroyed, murdering Americans, smuggling drugs into the US, and banking for the cartels. When I ask why, you never answer and always hide behind strawmen that you make up. Why can't you answer concerns directly instead of hiding behind a layer of irony?

If it’s so weak and easy i guess Israel can take them out then, if it’s so easy why haven’t they done it already like with bombing saddams stuff
Because the US keeps stopping Israel from doing it.

They are either degenerate inbred goatfuckers who we can lick in a week or they are a serious threat it can’t be both.
can you not understand that when you give a retard a nuclear weapon, it makes the retard far more dangerous? Look at the houthi, they're barely human cavemen that are eternally high on khat but they are a danger because iran gave them missiles and taught them how to shoot them
 
The same people who constantly need to remind you about the 80 year old Holocaust are the same people asking you to forget about Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
Jews advocating all this "you must forgive niggers and browns who rape and murder your children" shit still harbor burning hot blood grudges over shit that happened 2000+ years ago."

In my country there is problem.
 
The same people who constantly need to remind you about the 80 year old Holocaust are the same people asking you to forget about Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
again hiding behind shitposts and irony instead of actually considering things. Vietnam/Iraq/Afghanistan were also examples of invasions, not limited airstrikes. Big difference. irony poisoned

Why are you pretending to not get the point. It’s really smarmy
I understand your point, your point goes against you. Trump hired Waltz, saw that he was too much of a hawk on Iran and the Houthi, and then removed him to a position where he doesn't have influence on those things. This is a sign that Trump isn't being a hawk on Iran.
 
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