Culture Brandon Sanderson Affirms Script Writers Pitch IP Projects To Use The IP As A Skinsuit For Their Own Story

Brandon Sanderson, the author of the Mistborn series, affirmed that Hollywood scriptwriters intentionally pitch IP projects so they can use them as skinsuits to tell their own stories.

In a post to the LoTR Memes subreddit in October, Sanderson shared an anecdote about how one of his lesser known stories Emperor’s Soul was options for a Hollywood project.

After explaining how the writer for the project was the one who pitched it and eventually convinced the studio to option the rights, Sanderson revealed that when he eventually got his hands on the script it was nothing like his novel and described it as “one of the most bizarre experiences of my life.”

“The character names were, largely, the same, though nothing that happened to them was remotely similar to the story. Emperor's Soul is a small-scale character drama that takes place largely in one room, with discussions of the nature of art between two characters who approach the idea differently,” Sanderson shared. “The screenplay detailed an expansive fantasy epic with a new love interest for the main character (a pirate captain.) They globe-trotted, they fought monsters, they explored a world largely unrelated to mine, save for a few words here and there.”

Next, Sanderson explained why the script was so different from his novel, which it was supposed to be adapting, “Hollywood doesn't buy spec scripts (original ideas) from screenwriters very often, and they NEVER buy spec scripts that are epic fantasy. Those are too big, too expensive, and too daunting: they are the sorts of stories where the producers and executives need the proof of an established book series to justify the production.”

“So this writer never had a chance to tell his own epic fantasy story, though he wanted to. Instead, he found a popularish story that nobody had snatched up, and used it as a means to tell the story he'd always wanted to tell, because he'd never otherwise have a chance of getting it made,” he shared.

Sanderson then concluded that this was not a one-time deal, but is a major problem within Hollywood and is one of the many issues affecting the so-called adaptations that are currently being made. “I'm convinced this is part of the issue with some of these adaptations; screenwriters and directors are creative, and want to tell their own stories, but it's almost impossible to get those made in things like the fantasy genre unless you're a huge established name like Cameron.”

“I'm not saying they all do this deliberately, as that screenwriter did for my work, but I think it's an unconscious influence,” he continued. “They want to tell their stories, and this is the allowed method, so when given the chance at freedom they go off the rails, and the execs don't know the genre or property well enough to understand why this can lead to disaster.”

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Sanderson is not the only one to point this out. In March 2023, the Dungeon & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves directors John Francis Daley and Jonathan Goldstein admitted to this practice while promoting their film.

The duo were asked by Variety, “To be able to do the kind of storytelling at the level you want to do it, do you feel you have to find a way into a franchise versus writing an original story?”

Goldstein replied, “Using existing IP certainly greases the wheels. Any meeting we have with a studio head starts with, “Here’s four things we own — got any interest?” To some extent, I think we use intellectual property as a bit of a costume to get ourselves in the door. We’re still going to make the movie that we want to make. It just makes it all a bit easier to get it going if it has something that people are very familiar with.”

The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power showrunners similarly noted they were planning to write the book that Tolkien never wrote despite the fact the show is set in the Second Age and Tolkien wrote The Silmarillion, a whole book that his son Christopher published that details the major events of the First Age and the Second Age.

Nevertheless Rings of Power showrunner Patrick McKay told Vanity Fair that the driving question for the show was: “Can we come up with the novel Tolkien never wrote and do it as the mega-event series that could only happen now?”

What do you make of Sanderson’s anecdote and his speculation that this leads to a number of problems with current Hollywood adaptations?


 
"This story is timeless, thoughtful, uplifting. It will make people think, it will let them escape for a while into a world where right and wrong are clearly defined, and it has a positive, life-affirming ending."
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"Good, gut it and render it unidentifiable. Change the zeitgeist to make it as demoralizing and current-year as possible, leave people with nothing, make it modern and callow. Destroy the original to the point that future generations will perceive our version as the only version, so they won't even bother looking for the 'original'."
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What MMO has ever had a shred of worthwhile story? It would take some hard evidence to convince me the answer is anything other than "none".
The quality of storytelling in MMOs is wildly inconsistent at best, I will fully agree. That said, there have been some nuggets of good stuff in the ones I used to play (WoW and ESO). Nothing Tolkien-esque, but "solid for vidya." Individual zone stories, certain side- or major quests: they may or may not have direct bearing on the 'Plot' of whatever the current expansion happens to be, but they can still be satisfying little chunks of story.

Now contrast something like WoW's Pandaland expansion with Shittylands (Shadowlands, aka "Sylvanas Windrunner's Unearned Redemption Expansion"). One of these stories is objectively better than the other, if only because the writers included major story beats in the game in one and didn't even fucking try in the other.

TL;DR, going into an MMO expecting Tolkien is a fool's errand. Going into an MMO expecting to understand WTF is going on and why you're doing what you're doing and how that fits with the Plot? Kind of a basic expectation. That, for three expansions, WoW couldn't achieve (Legion laid the groundwork for BfA, BfA for Shadowlands, and then the supposed 'payoff' in Shadowlands never arrived). And it couldn't achieve that because the head writer at the time was a simp thirsty for Sylvanas' icy rotting snatch. Probably also had some brainlet in charge of marketing who was all, "we're gonna build a cross-media empire out of Sylvanas thirst!" because they made the mistake of thinking everyone mains Forsaken and simps for Sylvanas.
 
There is literally no excuse at all or whatsoever for what Amazon has done to Lord of the Rings, The Boys or Wheel of Time, or what Netflix has done to the Witcher. None.
The absolute hackjob they've done on The Boys annoys me so much. I get that Amazon, a mega-corporation, is going to change the anti-mega-corporation narrative, so I was expecting that.

And it actually started okay. But when they needed some filler content to round out the source material, they let Amazon's wokeshit writing team go nuts.

The obnoxious "HOMELANDER = DRUMPH!!!" and other current-day political shit they've pumped in is so heavy-handed that it kills any of the cleverness the comic had.

At least we could tell Wheel of Time and Rings of Power were gonna be shit as soon as they showed the previews. But The Boys actually had a good first season and the potential to not be shit.
 
You know, for all the shit I can throw at Deviantart styled crossovers and character bastardizations, I can at least rest comfortably that they're just some autist's dream put on paper. Sure there's shit that's cringe but that holds true to alot of media in general. But its undeniable that effort at least went into making those autistic crossovers. Sonichu, for all its faults, is a fascinating mess but it was fun enough that people make some pretty good fan content out of it.

Meanwhile, these skinsuited works, despite all the money and the think tanks that they employ, fails spectacularly. Just like any globohomo project, it reeks of half-assery, seething hatred and fail. And people reacting badly to their crap works is one of the reasons why they want to censor fucking everything and push their slop to the top. Much like how Deviantart's 'new' section is curated crap instead of the wild west that is new submissions. They want you to eat the slop and love it. No thanks.


One of the things I like about the AI age, with enough autism, anyone can make their desires reality.
 
Say what you will about GRR Martin, but this is exactly why he forced anyone asking to adapt GOT to take a test, if you weren't a super fan you didn't deserve the rights, plus a fan probably isn't going to rape an IP as badly as someone who just sees it as a skinsuit. Why that didn't become a standard i don't know
...And yet he gave the rights to a pair of fanfiction writers, one of whom had only ever written a single episode of It's Always Sunny and the other of whom gave us such classics as Troy and X-Men Origins: Wolverine, who clearly went on the wiki and didn't actually know shit about the source material
 
Apple’s Foundation “adaptation” is the odd duck in the modern stable of similar bullshit. It follows the same skinsuit strategy where the original story is bastardized to the point of being almost incoherent and crammed to bursting with urbanite culture war shit which the author then uses as a vehicle to tell their fan fiction.

Except, in Foundation’s case, the original story was for decades considered infamously difficult-or-impossible to adapt to screen and the fan fiction is actually Decent Stuff played by a Good Actor (Lee Pace).

I would legitimately look forward each week to watching a new SciFi IP dedicated to the Imperial Genetic Dynasty (the fanfic crammed into Foundation) but instead I just wait for a season to end and then skip to the Good Shit. Makes for a pretty good evening of modern TV, hard to come by these days.
 
What MMO has ever had a shred of worthwhile story? It would take some hard evidence to convince me the answer is anything other than "none".
Final Fantasy XIV had a fairly good story until the latest expansion blew it with a new writer, better than most single player RPGs honestly
 
I remember there being rumors that Ring of Power's script was originally a Dragon Age TV show script, which made the Knife ears stealing our jorbs part make a lot more sense. Same thing with the Halo show, it was originally a Mass Effect show script.
Rings of power never gave off Dragon Age vibes. The evil humans complaining about the elves coming to steal their jobs is just knee jerk reactions to Trump.
Now the Halo tv show definitely gave off hints it wasn't supposed to be Halo, there was a b-plot involving the ugly asian woman that seemed completely foreign to anything remotely Halo, AI technology being treated more like secretive and dangerous technology like in Mass Effect, and the beacon that gives visions just like in Mass Effect.
 
Rings of power never gave off Dragon Age vibes. The evil humans complaining about the elves coming to steal their jobs is just knee jerk reactions to Trump.
It was more the specific terminology and elves being forced into human cities and such. Elves in Tolkien don't do bitch work in human cities, elves in Dragon Age do. But again, it was rumors and if there was influence it may have just been from pulling lots of things from various scripts.
 
Except, in Foundation’s case, the original story was for decades considered infamously difficult-or-impossible to adapt to screen
You would have to treat it like an alternate history documentary, since it’s mostly about long term societal planning.

I’d like to see someone try that.
 
They’re awful movies for the most part, too. Nightbreed was a pretty faithful adaptation and it was a shame to see it flop.
to be fair the studio didnt know how to market it.

I also believe hellraiser two was too pricey so the movies kept getting cheaper and stupider the hellraiser blood lines was soo bad
 
there was a "Banana Splits" movie that couldn't have been more obviously an aborted Five Nights At Freddy's script if it tried
also the shit-tacular Justice League pilot from the 90s has Martian Manhunter as the bald guy who taught his students to use their powers
uhh, I mean, formed the Justice League
 
Using established settings (fictional or otherwise) to tell new stories or tweak old ones has existed for as long as storytelling itself. I can't bring myself to get assmad about this.
Most people wouldn't be mad at it if it wasn't tied into to the running cycle of pissing in people's eyes and telling them it's raining.
 
there was a "Banana Splits" movie that couldn't have been more obviously an aborted Five Nights At Freddy's script if it tried
i swear it was admited to be the failed FNAF script too by one of the people in production.
You would have to treat it like an alternate history documentary, since it’s mostly about long term societal planning.

I’d like to see someone try that.
how would you do it? i feel the "most accurate" attempt would be making it like one of those docuseries on the history channel, the same way people said the "best" way to adapt world war z would be turning it into a Ken Burns parody, of course the profitability of such an endeavor is probably why no one would attempt it. you'd just be setting millions on fire,
 
Most people wouldn't be mad at it if it wasn't tied into to the running cycle of pissing in people's eyes and telling them it's raining.
We're talking about mass-produced entertainment products. They matter exactly as much as you allow them to matter. If you're choosing to pay attention to entertainment products that make you angry/feel worse, then I'm not sure what to tell you except that there's an easy fix here.
 
pretty sure there's a legend that this is how Macross Plus happened
basically Kawamori pitched "test pilots, an AI, and a singer!" and they were like "lol no fuck you"
then he pitched "variable fighter test pilots, an AI, and a singer, at Macross City!" and they were like "here are many monies"
 
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