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it has that and it's non filler is mostly shit too
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it has that and it's non filler is mostly shit too
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Naruto’s was especially egregious since it’s filler is the last 80 episodes of a 220 episode run, almost two years of weekly episodes that undercuts the entire point of the time skip.
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I was still a casual anime watcher when those episodes started coming out, and had no real concept of what filler was. So I kept watching week after week, confused on why the plot wasn't moving along and why all this goofy, non-serious shit was going on for so long. Thankfully I finally wisened up and skipped over all that garbage.
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Nope, Power Levels were always a thing, they just didn't always call them that or have numbers tied to them.
Z is no different than DB at its core, the same principles apply. Technique and skill can give you an edge, but they cannot win you a fight if there's an insurmountable power differential. Goku didn't get considerably more skillful to beat Tao, he basically got stronger.
No he wasn't, his intention was beat Goku so he knows there's always someone stronger out there. He had to goad Goku into a final attack so they'd clash in an advantageous way for himself. Granted, he had to waste a lot of energy blowing up the moon so it probably wouldn't have been as close as it was if not for that, but either way it wasn't easy for him.
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"Goku is a bad dad, he let Piccolo kidnap Gohan"
>in reality
>Goku fucking dies
"Goku is a bad dad, he let Gohan travel to Namek"
>in reality
>he never knew the risks
>immediately forces a Senzu down Gohans throat to cure his broken neck before anything else
"Goku is a bad dad, he stayed on Yardrat"
>in reality
>he was training his Super Saiyan form so he didn't lose control and go beserk in the form
"Goku is a bad dad, he made Gohan fight Cell"
>in reality
>Gohan was literally the only one capable of beating Cell,
>Goku was going all out and Gohan thought he was holding back
"Goku is a bad dad, he gave Cell a Senzu Bean"
>in reality
>he knows Gohan needs to be backed into a corner before he snaps
>Gohan even realises this when he warns Cell
>if Gohans thinking "huh, maybe Cell is tired from fighting Dad, I might actually have a chance" he wouldn't snap
"Goku is a bad dad, he didn't wish to come back to life, nor did he communicate during the 7 months"
>in reality
>the dead aren't allowed to influence the living outside of universal threats
>he gives his reason for not coming back "trouble finds its way to me and puts everyone in danger"
>100% true because the first day back for a tournament, the Buu shit goes down
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Z fights are just dudes floating in mid air while the ground breaks around them. The ones in DB are just so much more fun to follow.
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If DB fights are so much more fun to follow then where's the dudes floating in mid air while the ground breaks around them? Checkmate, Atheists
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Perhaps this has been talked about, but there's something I want to point out about the speed at which they're fighting, which is one of the many incongruences I have observed in the anime.
So by the time they're insanely powerful, (like even when they fought Raditz, their speed was supposedly insane since he effortlessly caught a shotgun shell), but let's go all the way after Frieza (godlike speed, acceleration, reflexes, etc). When they fight at near/full power, which they constantly do, they should be so fast that the fight should last for actually less than 10 seconds, you know besides when they decide to stop and have long speeches.
Now obviously the animation needs to capture the fight and is supposedly "slowed down" so that the viewer can see it (in order to feasibly make an entertaining series while being consistent with the rules of the DBZ world), however, you can see in a lot of fights the smoke dispersion, debris scattering, and things like water droplets flying due to impacts or splashes.
But they're moving at roughly that speed, you can see little rocks falling and sent flying around them, which should not be how realistically should happen if it were real.
At their hyper-godlike levels of speed, debris, smoke, water particles and more should appear motionless in the air, only moved by the initial push (like them punching the rock, or the energy actively moving it), however if it was simply flying or falling, those rocks should look like they're stuck there in time.
So by the time they're insanely powerful, (like even when they fought Raditz, their speed was supposedly insane since he effortlessly caught a shotgun shell), but let's go all the way after Frieza (godlike speed, acceleration, reflexes, etc). When they fight at near/full power, which they constantly do, they should be so fast that the fight should last for actually less than 10 seconds, you know besides when they decide to stop and have long speeches.
Now obviously the animation needs to capture the fight and is supposedly "slowed down" so that the viewer can see it (in order to feasibly make an entertaining series while being consistent with the rules of the DBZ world), however, you can see in a lot of fights the smoke dispersion, debris scattering, and things like water droplets flying due to impacts or splashes.
But they're moving at roughly that speed, you can see little rocks falling and sent flying around them, which should not be how realistically should happen if it were real.
At their hyper-godlike levels of speed, debris, smoke, water particles and more should appear motionless in the air, only moved by the initial push (like them punching the rock, or the energy actively moving it), however if it was simply flying or falling, those rocks should look like they're stuck there in time.
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Well that saves me some time, cheers.
Didn't Madara send them and by extention us to the fillerscape that took several IRL months before they finally continued the plot? They didn't call it the "infinite filleryomi" to nothing. I read that the manga had already finished before they even started with the filler and the fucking game Storm 4 just adapted the manga because everyone was still staring at the filler moon.
Makes me glad I never watched that anime, should really read the manga though.
Anyone who thinks Goku is a shitty dad would be an even worse father in that universe.
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I will defend Pokémon having filler because it helped to make the regions feel lived in and large. I do agree it was ridiculous in Johto how long it took Ash to get to the next gym every time, that was actually stupid.
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I don't have the picture on me, but didn't it take several episodes for Ash to go through a 2 minute route or some shit?
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Here is the list of the amount of episodes that it took for Ash to battle a gym leader for the first time (starting with the first Johto episode):
Falkner: 15
Bugsy: 13
Whitney: 14
Morty: 23
Chuck: 27
Jasmine: 15
Pryce: 14
Clair: 14
It didn't take exactly 23 episodes to get to Ecruteak, but it was still a ridiculous amount of time. I don't quite remember how mountainous Johto is off the top of my head, though I'm assuming it's more of a valley when it comes to the middle of the region.
I honestly wonder if the anime team had a map of the regions laid out for them and someone had an autistic general idea of how long it would reasonably take to get to a main city on foot. It makes sense for there to be smaller towns and villages in between main cities, but I dunno about the layout.
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Sparking Zero got a new charecter on the roaster and its one none one expected.
Never played DBL. Who is this guy? Whats his story?
Never played DBL. Who is this guy? Whats his story?
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Gotta fill 52 episodes a year somehow.
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He's the OC protag of DBL's story mode.
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You know what, not a mobilefag or even super into Legends as a concept but I fuck with Shallot. I wonder if his brother will be in the game one day. Shame Sparking is mediocre and has no future beyond drip feeding content that will in no way extend its lifespan meaningfully. What a sad fate for BT, if you can even call SZ a BT game. Alejandro is doing pretty good still at least.
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The reason for that is because Bleach's anime was terrible compared to the manga. The time slot thing is only half the story. The anime was only supposed to be about 20ish episodes. So they completely scrapped Orihime's backstory. When it kept going, they had plenty of manga material to cover so they burned through it relatively quickly. However, they ran into the manga material midway through the Soul Society arc and since there was no natural break in the story, they decided to continue with the manga material, pushing the manga and anime very closely together. They never really recovered from this. They gave 100 filler episodes for the Bount Arc. However, they ran into the manga midway through Hueco Mundo and afterwards they just said "Fuck it" and slapped filler arcs wherever they had to.
This had a cascading effect all throughout the series of waning audiences. Since they were so close together, they just released canon episodes in blocks. However, once they got the 8PM time slot, shit really hit the fan. They were in the middle of Hueco Mundo's second half and Karakura Town War, so they HAD to censor things. On top of that, they didn't have a lot of time to polish the anime because the release schedule was so crunched. They also COULDN'T do massive filler arcs again because it's a primetime slot now and had to devolve to shorter mini-one offs. Heck some of those weren't even filler episodes but just abridged versions of the Soul Society Arc again. There's one of them as Halloween monsters. The Soul Society Arc as genies. The obligatory beach episode...They really ran the gambit on ideas and by the end were fresh out. Meaning they were constantly running against the manga for material. It got so bad the episode recaps sometimes lasted 10 minutes. So you would have a 10 minute long recap of last week's episode and 10 minutes of actual material. This ended in the series taking a break and doing filler after Aizen before finally adapting the Fullbring arc once it was finished.
I can't imagine what it was like working on this show, but it sounds like an absolute NIGHTMARE. It really is a miracle Bleach turned out as well as it did.
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I enjoyed TFS back in the day, but now that I've seen the canon series, I kinda doubt any of the fuckers who made it actually watched dragon ball.
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They're maymay guys, of course not. They're the type of people who'll never take anything seriously and then mock people who do, unless it's something they're really passionate about, in which case it's the opposite.
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All true, BUT, at the end of DBZ he does abandon his wife, teenage son, and granddaughter to train some pajeet.
I didn't play it but I know Toriyama designed him, so he's pseudo canon.