The Windows OS Thread - Formerly THE OS for gamers and normies, now sadly ruined by Pajeets

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Baraka Obama said:
I remember it being much faster than Windows XP on Pentium 2/3 era hardware that I was using (late) 2004-2007 before replacing those systems with better hardware. In that era Win2000 could do anything XP could do just with less BS in the way, and no stupid dog in the search dialog.
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From what I recall hearing, apparently the approach taken regarding XP's code quality was that of not caring too much while the Server 2003 branch took the opposite approach due to being headed by Dave Cutler.

The code base at the time was split between the consumer and server releases (you'll notice Server 2003 and XP x64 addressing themselves as NT 5.2 while XP x86 is 5.1), this was rectified starting with Vista (all builds based off of Server 2003, the original XP based builds still had the 'dont care' attitude) when the code base was unified.

Or should have been rectified. God knows what crimes the current team are committing.

I would die to know what Cutler thinks of the quality of the post Windows 8 code base. I can't imagine he would have many nice things to say.
 
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the rat said:
From what I recall hearing, apparently the approach taken regarding XP's code quality was that of not caring too much while the Server 2003 branch took the opposite approach due to being headed by Dave Cutler.
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Dave Cutler describes it in detail in this video:
Basically all stemmed from a disagreement that 3 years after Win2k was too long for the next release to come out.
To be fair, considering the state of consumer Windows with 9x, it probably wasn't a bad idea to rush out a new NT release.
 
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Speaking of Dave Cutler...
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A photo for the history books.
 
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666NASTYFUCKINGFREAK666 said:
I did my first Powershell command (remove-item) besides shit like ping and getmac and this feels like what I would imagine being redpilled in the Matrix would be like.
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Wait until you get the hang of how objects work, what you can do with Foreach-Object and Where-Object, and start using stuff like Microsoft.WinGet.Client. Or when you start writing your own profile with your own functions and commands. Dave Cutler had the right idea when basing NT on objects. They're very comfy to use and Powershell is called that for a reason.
 
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Is there any way to specifcally block features updates and only allow security ones. I tried using the Chris Titus tool to do it but that doesn't seem to have worked.
 
They were once men said:
Is there any way to specifcally block features updates and only allow security ones. I tried using the Chris Titus tool to do it but that doesn't seem to have worked.
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Switch to an LTSC version. Feature updates can only be delayed by a year, assuming WinUtil actually edited group policies, and assuming you can edit them in the first place. LTSC is by design frozen in terms of features so you only get extended security updates. You don't have to reinstall Windows to make the switch by the way, Massgrave.dev has all of it documented.
 
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Slav Power said:
Switch to an LTSC version. Feature updates can only be delayed by a year, assuming WinUtil actually edited group policies, and assuming you can edit them in the first place. LTSC is by design frozen in terms of features so you only get extended security updates. You don't have to reinstall Windows to make the switch by the way, Massgrave.dev has all of it documented.
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Oh thats a relief I only recently installed win11 pro with one of his scripts but i didn't know you could just switch to LTSC without reinstall. I'll check it out thanks. Which version should I swtich to IOTenterprise or just enterprise?
 
They were once men said:
Oh thats a relief I only recently installed win11 pro with one of his scripts but i didn't know you could just switch to LTSC without reinstall. I'll check it out thanks. Which version should I swtich to IOTenterprise or just enterprise?
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IoT Enterprise has longer support, and under the hood it's basically all the same. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to trick Windows into believing it's an LTSC version while it's a GAC one, then have the installer just turn it into an LTSC version with zero issues. Did the same trick on my Win10 install, from 22H2 GAC to 21H2 LTSC with the only things being restored to default being a handful of tweaks. At this point I forgot that I switched the SSD after cloning, and that I switched Windows to LTSC. Shit's this transparent nowadays.
 
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IoT Enterprise has longer support, and under the hood it's basically all the same. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to trick Windows into believing it's an LTSC version while it's a GAC one, then have the installer just turn it into an LTSC version with zero issues. Did the same trick on my Win10 install, from 22H2 GAC to 21H2 LTSC with the only things being restored to default being a handful of tweaks. At this point I forgot that I switched the SSD after cloning, and that I switched Windows to LTSC. Shit's this transparent nowadays.
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I'm using O&Oshutup to disable telemetry would that be sufficent for IoTEnterprise?
 
Overly Serious said:
I think Windows -> Mac is painful. There are many things wrong with modern Windows but Mac OS was never designed with multi-monitor and multi-tasking in mind. It's all so bolted on and unintuitive for power users. I really think for people ditching Windows, some variety of Linux is best. Mint for example is quite intuitive if you're coming from Windows and you can run it on the same hardware your Windows 10 OS was installed on.
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As a laptop I found it the best multi tasking OS. Multiple desktops with touch gestures on the touch pad make it so easy to to jump around. I often put different tasks I'm working on different screens and jump between them. I've tried it on Windows 11 on a thinkpad and just trying to do the swipe action to bring up the multiple desktops kills the laptop.

For me, when Apple went back to intel what you ended up with was a really expensive linux laptop with a working GUI and drivers. Even better Parallels was really good at visualization of any OS so from my little Mac book I could do every thing. But its felt like a curve, there was a peak where a very over priced Mac Book would just work and allowed you to modify any thing in the OS to now a very over priced Mac Book your locked out of and can't do shit.

Every almost every program Microsoft writes is just garbage, the back end is garbage and the UI is always some insane nonsense. Trying to use a Windows 11 Laptop in a low bandwidth enviroment living only on a battery is a nightmare. I'm on budget bandwith, I need to pull down a 30KB excel file, I don't have the resources for my start menu to be blasting out MB of data when I click on it (or even when I don't) and god damn it you start to see how shit things are when the thing in focus your trying to get (a 30KB file) wont proceed until the MB of background data about the weather and MSN and candy crush has been completed.

Then trying to weed out all these resource vampires is a nightmare, every time the damn thing updates they grow back!
 
They were once men said:
I'm using O&Oshutup to disable telemetry would that be sufficent for IoTEnterprise?
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If you care about telemetry, just switch to Linux. Windows will always gather some amount of user data no matter what. What you really care about in Windows nowadays is what the name of the program suggests: for it to shut up, get out of your way, and to not be eating too much unnecessary resources in the background.

LTSC is a good way to achieve that. By default it has less trash as it is an enterprise edition, IoT has even less stuff going on as it's meant for embedded (aka underpowered) devices, and also it has looser system requirements, and LTSC means you won't be getting a surprise feature update that'll screw everything up, while at the same time getting security updates for longer than most. The kind of "just run what I want to run" base that you'd want. Not perfect, but close enough.
 
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The XBox handheld with Microsoft XBox OS stripped 2GB of Windows 11 services so the hardware can actually play games. Why couldn't we have that for the desktop?
 
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Moist Boys said:
The XBox handheld with Microsoft XBox OS stripped 2GB of Windows 11 services so the hardware can actually play games. Why couldn't we have that for the desktop?
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Where did you find that? And I imagine we might get that for desktops eventually, a gamepad-centric interface would be awesome for desktop gaming and HTPCs
 
AuxPersonality said:
Every almost every program Microsoft writes is just garbage, the back end is garbage and the UI is always some insane nonsense.
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This is really what kills Microsoft. Once in a while, something is good (VS Code), but by and large, they just shit things out. There's no central mission to deliver high-quality products, nobody in the company who gets pissed off and starts calling for people's heads if something is just crap. And with full pajeetification under way, it will never happen.
 
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The Ugly One said:
VS Code
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Do you really think this thing is good? It's such a slow text editor, I guess that's what you get when the whole thing is really a Chromium window running TypeScript for the entire application.

As an IDE it's really lacking and I'd rather have my company pay for an intellij licence for serious business coding.
 
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