Stop Killing Games (EU edition) - Moldman vs. Publishers

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Prokhor Zakharov said:
That analogy is really terrible. The two aren't really comparable in any significant way.
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I think the analogy works, destroying a movie so the film strip can be re-used to shoot a new movie, still killed the OG one and it became lost media. A game publisher pulling the plug for whatever reason, leaves you with a useless game disc or steam game.

In the end, they're both dead media that can't be experienced again.
 
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Here's the nomination:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Stop_Killing_Games (archive)

This is the alternate blurb that wasn't picked:
... that the Stop Killing Games initiative spawned multiple government petitions in Europe and helped prompt Ubisoft to promise an offline mode for a couple of their online-only video games?
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The user who proposed it created the Stop Killing Games article on June 25 (!), and it looks positive. The user is also a lolicon:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dabmasterars (archive)

The following 16 pages use this file:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dabmasterars (archive)
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.ph...sterars&target=Dabmasterars&offset=&limit=500 (archive)

10:53, 3 July 2025 diff hist +119 m Legal status of fictional pornography depicting minors →Cases: Replaced link with a citation.

06:47, 21 April 2025 diff hist +26 m Cartoon pornography Wikilinks

15:31, 19 April 2025 diff hist +1,006 Draft:EDP445 Added sources and an infobox.

16:50, 6 April 2025 diff hist −129 Draft:Shadman (artist) Added proper info about Ava Kris Tyson.

15:03, 29 March 2025 diff hist +2,636 Draft:Shadman (artist) I actually found more sources and they're not half bad.

18:21, 28 March 2025 diff hist −135 Draft:Shadman (artist) Wanted to remove the Kris Tyson section, didn't do it fully.

17:05, 28 March 2025 diff hist +1,392 Draft:Shadman (artist) Added more info, changed some words to be more compliant with WP:BLP.

15:28, 27 March 2025 diff hist +4,305 N Draft:Shadman (artist) I'm honestly surprised no one made a page about him, considering how prominent he was. But finding sources for this was hard, so maybe this is why.

(Abandoned drafts may be deleted after 6 months)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Shadman_(artist) (archive)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:EDP445 (archive)

The user explicitly supports SKG on their talk page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dabmasterars (archive)
My pleasure, I'm just doing what I can to spread awareness of the initiative. I was pleasantly surprised receiving the DYK notification, but also kind of proud, thinking about the potential effects of me creating the article. Dabmasterars (talk/contribs) 21:27, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
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buying gf said:
Yes, but also there were storage issues as film is very flammable and decays quickly. I think around 90% of films made before 1929 are now lost, which is a shame.

It's not the best analogy to compare film preservation with SKG and it definitely could have been worded better.
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Analogy works fine. Times have changed and so has technology, but corporate greed stays the same.
 
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30+GameOvers said:
Analogy works fine. Times have changed and so has technology, but corporate greed stays the same.
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I agree, and maybe I was too harsh. I think the main problem is that there isn't a somewhat analogous situation to compare it to. Yes, they did burn the films to collect the silver, but they also didn't sell you a copy of the films and then break into your house to burn them and collect the silver. And don't get me wrong, if they were able to do that, they would, they just couldn't at that time.
 
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Smashed & Slamed said:
The world we live in is one where the Internet is a public venture that has had private companies sponsored or subsidized by the state. Where mega corporations get given tax cuts and subsidies out of my pocket to produce their games.
I will not sit idly by while the companies that pay less tax than me and get benefits that I don't get to erase the culture of my people for profit. I will use the most roids abusing muscle bound rape ape possible for them to comply to my whims. And I will not accept the premise of whiny faggots that this is wrong.
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Amen to that brother I am sick and fuckin tired of the libertarian sub commie fucks trying to tell me its morally wrong to use the government to suit my own needs. Well isn't that what they were fuckin made for to begin with? Its fuckin retarded faggot shit to just allow yourself to be raped and not utilize the same tools to rape the rapists.
 
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Just_A_guy said:
Amen to that brother I am sick and fuckin tired of the libertarian sub commie fucks trying to tell me its morally wrong to use the government to suit my own needs. Well isn't that what they were fuckin made for to begin with? Its fuckin retarded faggot shit to just allow yourself to be raped and not utilize the same tools to rape the rapists.
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now you know why it's preached to teenagers and people with teenager minds, fencesitters are always seen as traitors by left wing people for a reason.
 
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In the mean time, petition signatures go brrrrr.
 

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I haven't checked this thread much since I posted Ross's 'final' update before the Mald hate let the initiative go ballistic and damn, did those socks shit this thread up. It's nice that general threads get mods assigned to them to prevent fuckers like these from spamming the same tired arguments for pages. Maybe it's time we ask Null for a mod that checks this thread frequently now that the petition has put more eyes on it? Or do we just press report?
 
neger psykolog said:
I would go as far as saying they also need to identify when it becomes abandonware or when the source code will be distributed (less proprietary stuff) as well as art assets etc.

So many fucking games are just locked away because of this basically forever.
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Won't happen but would be great to have. Here's one example of a game being reinvigorated by a source code leak:

In 2009, a complete copy of the Dark Engine source code was discovered in the possession of an ex-Looking Glass Studios employee who was at the time continuing his work for Eidos Interactive. The code was a complete set of the engine's resources, and included the libraries needed to compile the code. Fans of the Thief and System Shock series subsequently petitioned the publisher to consider releasing the code.

In late April 2010, a user on the Dreamcast Talk forum disassembled the contents of a Dreamcast development kit he had purchased. The contents of the kit included, among other things, items pertaining to ports of Thief II and System Shock 2 to that system. By December 2010, it had been discovered by the user and subsequently the greater Looking Glass Studios fan community that a compact disc included with the kit - the contents of which had been uploaded to the Internet - included a second copy of the Dark Engine source, minus the libraries needed to compile the code.

In September 2012, a significant unofficial update to the Dark Engine was published anonymously in a French forum, most probably based on the leaked Dreamcast source code. This unofficial patch extended the limits of the engine, introduced support for recent graphics and sound hardware, as well as better support for newer versions of Windows.
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LikeAStone 2.0 said:
Wait, they actually used to do that?
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Yes.
To tl;dr: B&W film, especially early B&W used silver nitrate in the development, a small ammount of silver was deposited on the medium. So studios would burn old film prints to recover the silver.

buying gf said:
Yes, but also there were storage issues as film is very flammable and decays quickly. I think around 90% of films made before 1929 are now lost, which is a shame.

It's not the best analogy to compare film preservation with SKG and it definitely could have been worded better.
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This is key: The celluose of early films was HIGHLY flamable and biodegradable. If rather extraordinary pains aren't taken it will dryrot/get brittle, yellow/brown, and the silver can tarnish (read: corrode). It needs to be stored in very precisely controlled temperature/humidity and cleaned on a regular (read: scale measured in factional decades) basis.
Studios also had tons of films sent all over the country, often thousands of copies, so burning these copies when they came back wasn't the same as torching the library of alexandria - there were masters and other print copies. The issue is that over the decades, and especially during WWII shortages, accidents (fires, floods, rats, theives, straight up being misplaced, degradation before it was properly understood) claimed these master prints and the "studio copies" such that usually the only films from the period were massively popular so that tons of copies survived, or due to some Pre-war Autist lovingly caring for a copy.

But a lot of smaller studio works are gone forever.

Prokhor Zakharov said:
That analogy is really terrible. The two aren't really comparable in any significant way.
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Its not perfect, but it works: Cultural product is being lost forever because its no longer economically profitable to maintain.

I'd say what studios are doing is significantly more malicious, because it would cost them nothing to publish code or work with interested community members to hand over these products so they'd be available for future gamers to experience and current gamers if they feel nostalgic.

Smashed & Slamed said:
Saying that a company can't make it so their code is perpetually available is nigger cattle thinking that scammers abuse. You should put everything necessary to maintain your code in the commercial release. Failure to do so is a breach of both the letter and the law of the contract and I will send death squads to find you and recover all lost value.
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Not only that, but companies can release patches after the fact. I cannot recall specific examples, but when I got into more obscure 90s gaming, lots of companies (or even just developers) would release patches 10+ years after the last release to disable copy protection features on games because the game wasn't being sold anymore.

Sony doesn't have to maintain Star Wars Galaxies servers forever, and I'm fine if Blizzard wants to lock out "Fan Servers" while WoW is still active, but when they drop support there should be a client patch and if not full server data at least a bundle of executables so someone can host thier own custom server.

And that's to say nothing of shit like Drive Club where there is no reason in the fucking world that the game couldn't be playable just without the online features.
 
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Apologies for the brief lock. You may have noticed that this thread is now several pages shorter. I've taken the liberty of moving the ongoing fight (from at least two threads) here:

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Thread 'Argue with Americans about how it's a sin against the God of Capital to stop a corpo from raping you'

Both sides of this seem to be retarded from what I can see. On one side you have a retarded smug furfaggot with an overinflated ego and a fake voice. On the other you have some homo who makes machinimas thinking he's gonna "save gaming" by having the government mandate they allow private servers or something?

The only logical conclusion? People who play MMOs are faggots.

Edit: love the hats, cans, and puzzles pieces. Thanks for letting me know you're retarded. I'm sure your idiotic "protest" or "initiative" or "petition" or whatever will surely achieve your goal. I'm sure protesting and...
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This thread is now unlocked, and I again apologize for the brief interruption.
 
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