Undertale

[Phantom Sputnik]

and I really can't wait for Susie to just hit her with a "What? Nah I don't like you that way."
No matter the cost.

Maybe Toby ditching suselle for krusie is going to be that meta narrative twist that we were promised. LMFAO cant wait to see the deltarune reddit tards get soooo mad hahaha

 

[Nicholas II of Russia]

Toby Fox is a terrific writer, I'll give him credit where credit is due. But so far the worst parts of Deltarune I've played is when he tries to make Susie and Noelle look convincing as the lesbian couple on duty to make the fandom happy, you know, the equivalent of shaking the keys in front of a baby. But they just DON'T work as a couple. They are very different from each other. I mentioned in my review that the writing in Chapter 2 was the weakest of the four parts, precisely because of the fact that the vast majority of the chapter has Susie and Noelle scenes, you can tell that Toby Fox really wants the two of them to be together by the way he forced the two of them to have scenes together.

And every scene of the two together is awkward and even difficult to watch, perhaps that was Toby's intention, to get the two incompatible characters together. But the way they made Susie like Noelle is too forced, especially the scene where they are on the ferris wheel. Chapter 4 was even worse with the two of them together, it's as if Toby Fox has watched every teen TV series and tries his best to see how a lesbian couple can come together in a convincing way, but it fell flat. Good thing that Carol just came in just to put that dynamic out of its misery for the rest of the episode.

Noelle is an incredibly basic and flat character. She IS a token lesbian character, she doesn't have any type of personality whatsoever, the majority of her dialogue is just her thirsting over Susie and just a couple of mentions of her family here and there, but other than that she is just a lesbian deer and nothing else. She is CREEPY in other instances being like that, like wanting to be behind Susie for the group or when she gets instantly jealous whenever a third person is involved and NOT Susie, it is uncomfortable and makes her a borderline jealous stalker. Toby has no TOUCH for writing romantic stories, he's not good at them at all. And I'm starting to believe what they say around here that he has a lesbian fetish, because those characters have to play a role in the main story and nothing else.

Which is ironic considering how he (probably) has built a more compelling and more charming relationship between Kris and Susie. I've seen THEM more as a couple than any other scene that I've seen between Noelle and Susie, faaar more convincing to me than these two. That scene of the piano in Chapter 4 just hammers that point home to me; answering her that Kris will play the piano again only if she does it too is incredibly sweet, and tell me more about them and their relationship than anything else.

Maybe Toby will change my idea of them, who knows, but to me for now, he's botching this subplot to laughable levels.

 

[Vinluv Handesbukia]

Someone should make a Preacher parody called “Feacher” with Tenna and the Mikes

 

[San Marino]

Toby Fox is a terrific writer, I'll give him credit where credit is due. But so far the worst parts of Deltarune I've played is when he tries to make Susie and Noelle look convincing as the lesbian couple on duty to make the fandom happy, you know, the equivalent of shaking the keys in front of a baby. But they just DON'T work as a couple. They are very different from each other.

Is Toby not outsourcing the writing now? It would make sense for the drop in quality.

 

[Nicholas II of Russia]

Is Toby not outsourcing the writing now? It would make sense for the drop in quality.

I have no idea, but that makes sense on why some parts feel amazing and others just have a massive drop in quality.

And I don't think Toby has the good mentality to have quality control on his behalf.

 

[Niggerphobe]

 

[Deus Exica]

And every scene of the two together is awkward and even difficult to watch, perhaps that was Toby's intention, to get the two incompatible characters together. But the way they made Susie like Noelle is too forced, especially the scene where they are on the ferris wheel

It's really ironic that he writes a scene where Noelle says relationships don't count when they're forced when she and Susie have the most forced chemistry I've ever seen in a videogame. It's one of the main reasons I still think it's intentional and there will be a moment where they break it off and stay friends. Or Noelle goes bat shit and opens a dark fountain or something. I don't know.

The writing feels like bad fanfic when the two of them are having moments. It's like a switch gets flipped, almost as if someone else entirely is handling those scenes. It's full of the most cliche anime Yuri moments ever and Susie is ridiculously OOC for most of their interactions.

You compare their interactions to Undyne and Alphys, where Alphys trying to emulate anime is a fucking joke, and it all becomes even more bizarre.

 

[FOUND YOU!]

Or Noelle goes bat shit and opens a dark fountain or something. I don't know.

The chapter 5 boss is Kris fending off a hysterical Noelle.

 

[User 206765]

Alphys trying to emulate anime is a fucking joke, and it all becomes even more bizarre.

Am i the only person who prior to learning about undertale and playing deltarune, thought that alphys was a dude rather than a female dyke? Nothing about that characters features comes across as a female to me.

 

[ApearFruit]

Am i the only person who prior to learning about undertale and playing deltarune, thought that alphys was a dude rather than a female dyke? Nothing about that characters features comes across as a female to me.

You can't be blamed for that assumption, considering Alphys was initially conceived as a male during Undertale's development.

 

[User 206765]

Alphys was initially conceived as a male during Undertale's development

...holy shit toby has to fucking chill with his lesbian fetish thing, next thing you know hes gonna poon susie out.

 

[Secret Boots]

next thing you know hes gonna poon susie out.

Don't you dare jinx it

 

[Big Shot]

The writing feels like bad fanfic when the two of them are having moments. It's like a switch gets flipped, almost as if someone else entirely is handling those scenes.

The most retarded part was when Susie out of nowhere said "guess who's taking your daughter out, chuddy?". For what we know Noelle just brought Susie and Kris home with an excuse of an study session and at no point turns the situation into a date. Susie spends the entire conversation sperging about Kris and how she played guitar in the dark world, not very romantic methinks.

Only a brain damaged tumblr dyke with mommy issues could've written that, or maybe Toby Fox has rot his mind with all the tumblr hoes he surrounds himself with. I'm gonna go with the "new writers" theory based on how certain parts of storytelling in Ch3 and Ch4 seemed more like an AU than Toby's own writing and humor brand.

Female writers in general suck ass at character development because they have none themselves IRL but it shouldn't be surprising to any non-yuri gooner that Kris x Susie works very well because they're two characters who are growing and learning alongside each other, and despite both being outcasts who hide their emotions (because one is autistic and one is a bully) they end up warming up to each other over time.

 

[Monolith]

You can't be blamed for that assumption, considering Alphys was initially conceived as a male during Undertale's development.

Ah, interesting. Can't wait for all the videos about how Undyne was doing Gaster, and that's why the Knight kidnapped her.

 

[Nicholas II of Russia]

The most retarded part was when Susie out of nowhere said "guess who's taking your daughter out, chuddy?". For what we know Noelle just brought Susie and Kris home with an excuse of an study session and at no point turns the situation into a date. Susie spends the entire conversation sperging about Kris and how she played guitar in the dark world, not very romantic methinks.

SPEAKING OF THAT PART, I forgot about it.

Not only that part is retarded for the reasons you mentioned, but because Susie essentially puts Noelle in potential danger of being severely punished by his mother. Why would she do that? We don't exactly know how severe Carol can be with disciplining her daughter, but just by her introduction in the game makes you understand almost instantly that she is someone who does not like being fucked with, she is very disciplined, cold -nopunintended-, and would be potentially an abusive parent just by Noelle's reaction when she comes up and gets scared for Susie. Why Susie would say something like that in front of a parent who is potentially abusive next to someone who is at the very least her friend? That is just lazy pandering, lazy writing and something that is way out of character for Susie.

The answer doesn't make sense without talking about the pandering, especially when Susie already fucking asked Kris about who is going to the festival with her by the end of Chapter 2.

 

[Strangolapreti]

Am i the only person who prior to learning about undertale and playing deltarune, thought that alphys was a dude rather than a female dyke? Nothing about that characters features comes across as a female to me.

I think her voice beeps are femminine sounding and the two lines at the left of her glasses looks like eyelashes, nothing else really. She's even both refferred as a male and female earleir by other characters so it's even more confusing.
I used to hate the character but I kind of understand her a little better after replaying Undertale last month, she is self-aware enough to be a horribel person and is afraid to face consequences, instead hoping for anyhting good to happen to open herself a little for her failures. I think I had a similar approach when I was struggling with exams, I would fail one and then hold off from admitting it to my parents until getting to pass the next one, only to fail that one as well and when you keep piling up failure after failure, it becomes harder and harder to open yourself so you inevitably end up making all worse by constant lying.

It's really ironic that he writes a scene where Noelle says relationships don't count when they're forced when she and Susie have the most forced chemistry I've ever seen in a videogame. It's one of the main reasons I still think it's intentional and there will be a moment where they break it off and stay friends. Or Noelle goes bat shit and opens a dark fountain or something. I don't know.

There's a degree of compatibility, the whole thing about susie and noelle is that susie is unable to see that the deer has a crush for her. There's a little of reciprocal care from susie and a few common interests between the two, I don't think the relationship is a complete disaster, If you wanna see gay relationship going wrong, then viziepop exists.

hes gonna poon susie out.

If toby does it, i have no idea how many people are gonna drop the game but it's gonna be a big number.

 

[Kris]

It's really ironic that he writes a scene where Noelle says relationships don't count when they're forced when she and Susie have the most forced chemistry I've ever seen in a videogame.

It's so forced to the point that it feels like genuine parody. Almost every bit of "chemistry" during the scene at Noelle's house was just constant *winks at camera* tier coincidences that read like:

Susie: I like <thing>
Noelle: Whaaat? I had no idea I too like <thing>
Narrative: Upon interacting with Noelle's computer you find that she too, likes <thing>, and <thing> is something Susie likes
Kris's Phone(Evil) while he makes chocolate milk: Kris. . . Susie. . . Noelle . . . They both . . . Like <thing>. . . talk about . . . coincidence . . . huh ? . . . anyway . . . police sacrifice . . . next week . . . could you bring . . . hot dog . . . buns ? . . . haven't had . . . time to get . . . those . . .

 

[Oilspill Battery]

Which is ironic considering how he (probably) has built a more compelling and more charming relationship between Kris and Susie. I've seen THEM more as a couple than any other scene that I've seen between Noelle and Susie, faaar more convincing to me than these two. That scene of the piano in Chapter 4 just hammers that point home to me; answering her that Kris will play the piano again only if she does it too is incredibly sweet, and tell me more about them and their relationship than anything else.

Yeah I really don't know what copium people are huffing by pretending noelle and susie have any chemistry when the contrast on the other side is kris. The two are literally shining examples of "How to." and "How not to." Kris and Susie grow toogether and they bring out the best in one another, especially Susie.

There's a degree of compatibility, the whole thing about susie and noelle is that susie is unable to see that the deer has a crush for her. There's a little of reciprocal care from susie and a few common interests between the two, I don't think the relationship is a complete disaster, If you wanna see gay relationship going wrong, then viziepop exists.

The relationship is a complete disaster because Noelle has no personality other than gooning to susie and they have next to no chemistry or any growth moments toogether.

Tobby has tried to force them by literally locking them toogether in a room multiple times and having them talk for half an hour and guess what?

The single conversation Kris and Susie have about playing the piano that's like 8 lines long has more chemistry on its own than every single piece of dialogue shared between noelle and susie put toogether across chapters 2 and 4.

If Noelle was a guy everyone would be calling it out for the annoying garbage it is and how obviously worse it is than kris and susie.

She literally only gets a pass because she's gay.

 

[Two Dollars]

The answer doesn't make sense without talking about the pandering, especially when Susie already fucking asked Kris about who is going to the festival with her by the end of Chapter 2.

That’s the thing, Susie already says in Chapter 2 that if she went, obviously Kris would go too. It makes me think that she’ll just bring Kris along in Chapter 5, not understanding the implication that a festival date is supposed to be 1-on-1 romantic, and Noelle will have to realize that Susie only likes her as a friend.

I think her voice beeps are femminine sounding and the two lines at the left of her glasses looks like eyelashes, nothing else really. She's even both refferred as a male and female earleir by other characters so it's even more confusing.

When is Alphys referred to as male?

 

[Dr. Ricearoni]

When is Alphys referred to as male?

I think that other guy is confused. I'm pretty sure up until you meet Alphys she's only really alluded to as "the royal scientist", a title which can refer to either her or Gaster