Undertale

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Wonder how stable that gamemaker spaghetti code is. Would be real interested in modding or save editing something that lets me be on both the pacifist and Snowgrave route. Just don't wanna miss out on those Chapter 2 recruits is all.

And by the game's own definition I'm still a pacifist as long as nobody dies. Berdly in a coma? Not dead, doesn't count.
Noelle mindbroken? Depends how you think about it but ultimately in the eyes of the law she's still not dead.

Come on Toby I don't want the narrative to pivot to Susie being the True Proto-Gonist™ but if you're gonna go that route then just let me have one choice as a treat.
 
Was Susie and Kris’s backstory mostly added after Chapter 1?
One of noelle's blogposts on the spamton sweepstakes page mentions Kris playfully allowing susie to bully him and sniff his hair. Link

According to that blogpost susie is the "new girl" yet somehow in Ch4 we learn that Toriel drove her as a kid to the diner? The new writers aren't even trying.
 
One of noelle's blogposts on the spamton sweepstakes page mentions Kris playfully allowing susie to bully him and sniff his hair. Link
I like how Noelle is recounting this incident where Susie is bullying the shit out of and basically threatening to kill Kris, her childhood friend, and Noelle still can't stop herself from complimenting Susie throughout the whole thing. Good god lmao.

According to that blogpost susie is the "new girl" yet somehow in Ch4 we learn that Toriel drove her as a kid to the diner?
Might've been (poorly) homeschooled until recently. Looking at her apartment room she apparently lives like a borderline homeless person and her parents don't seem to care about her like... at all, if they're even around.

It's entirely possible Susie has been in the towns community since she was young but only recently started attending school.
 
During undyne's date.
You’re gonna have to be more specific. I just looked at the dialogue again and there’s nothing like that.
According to that blogpost susie is the "new girl" yet somehow in Ch4 we learn that Toriel drove her as a kid to the diner? The new writers aren't even trying.
I think it lines up, considering Susie’s history. Toriel was nice to her, then she saw that Toriel adopted Kris, and she resented him for having such a loving adoptive mom while she’s neglected by her own parents.

And with how Susie said she would have hated Kris even more if she knew he played the piano earlier while she was pushed away for not being good enough, it’s like she sees Kris as what her life could have been with a good family, and she hated that.
I like how Noelle is recounting this incident where Susie is bullying the shit out of and basically threatening to kill Kris and Noelle still can't stop herself from complimenting Susie throughout the whole thing. Good god lmao.
It’s Schrodinger’s relationship at this point. Either Toby is a genius for successfully building up a compelling enemies to friends to lovers dynamic while showing why a relationship founded on an inexperienced view of love and physical attraction can’t work, or he’s a hack for pushing away a compelling dynamic in favor of bad cliches and leftist brownie points because uwu lesbians. Or I guess he could make it ambiguous, but there’s no way this isn’t all building up to something.
 
You’re gonna have to be more specific. I just looked at the dialogue again and there’s nothing like that.
Actually, I don't remember anymore if it was while interacting with the piano, the fridge or whenever you call undyne in the garbagedump, but at at a certain point she uses male pronouns for alphys, could easily be an oversight tho.
 
Actually, I don't remember anymore if it was while interacting with the piano, the fridge or whenever you call undyne in the garbagedump, but at at a certain point she uses male pronouns for alphys, could easily be an oversight tho.
THAT'S IT!!

I think we're all overthinking this shitty pairing stuff.

I think the real fetish here is {Nerd gets Tomboy/Bully character}, Toby, the little bitch he is, just chose the Lesbo route last minute because it's preferred by the Tumblr crowd.
 
Huh. I may be tripping from too much overthought replays, but a lot of Spamton comments towards Kris makes me believe that the soul is Kris's, and is just being puppeted by us, rather than the prevalent theory that it's our soul in him. Kris gets shaken up by Spamton so I am inclined to take what he says with at least some consideration.
 
Don't know why I assumed it was just a generic room, I'm gonna replay from Chapter 1, theres a lot of details I've missed or completely forgotten by this point
It's not confirmed to be hers but the godzilla poster and how sparse the room is implies that it's Susie's.

The first time you bring Susie to Kris' room she puts one of Asriel's stars on his side as to make it less empty looking and she knows how to clean bloodstains.

Meanwhile with Noelle, she doesn't put a star or different type of reward for being "Susie's friend".

Toby really trying to force Suselle in Ch4 but in the same chapter we go to church, share drinks, get a friendship reward, can promise to teach Susie the piano and have breakfast & dinner together.

Noelle will indeed watch from the cuck chair.
 
Huh. I may be tripping from too much overthought replays, but a lot of Spamton comments towards Kris makes me believe that the soul is Kris's, and is just being puppeted by us, rather than the prevalent theory that it's our soul in him. Kris gets shaken up by Spamton so I am inclined to take what he says with at least some consideration.
I've been leaning towards that outlook as well somewhat. Mainly because it feels like Spamton wouldn't shake him up as much if he was just housing someone else's soul and that was the end of it.

If we say it's Kris's soul and treat that as fact, that does start to raise a lot of interesting questions. Chiefly the question of whether or not Kris knows what happened to his soul one day. I doubt he'd consent to any of this, his treatment of the soul makes it seem like he wants as little to do with it as possible.
That said, whatever Gaster was doing at the start is clearly related to our connection to Kris, though that process was intercepted. Why it was intercepted is another matter entirely.

If Kris isn't aware of us being connected to him, it'd click pretty well with some of the themes we've seen of Kris trying to repress violent tendencies and his desire to be perceived as "normal". Because from his perspective he's just trying to live his life and be normal, repressing this part of himself, and then one day he's been pretty much possessed, with ripping his own soul out being the only way to regain his full agency. At that point he'd probably see us as the manifestation of the very shit he's trying to repress, which yeah, no wonder he doesn't hesitate to treat us the way he does.

As for the process that connected us to Kris, I think it's some form of experiment. He's a scientist that was scattered across time and space, yet somehow survived. He's become aware and is viewing his world from another plane of reality. How I see it, the entire process at the start of Chapter 1 is trying to initiate some way to measure and observe the actions of unknowable and typically unobservable gods. By "unobservable gods" what I mean is that Toby's likes to screw with meta concepts, and to the characters in this world, the players(as in irl people) are a complete anomaly—We don't exist, we can't be reliably observed and we can't be measured, yet somehow we can influence this world and have an impact on it.
Whatever state he's in and goal he's trying to achieve I think he's also well aware that messing around with something that can possess a soul and typically can't be measured or observed is a dangerous game.

Back in Undertale the only people who directly said Gaster's name were the Gaster Followers.
At the start of Chapter 1 in Deltarune, Gaster is deliberately trying to establish a connection with us. If you name the vessel or yourself "Gaster", the game shuts off.
I'd say to him it's the equivalent of getting on CB radio and instantly getting phonebooked by the first person you make contact with. He knows his name is something that shouldn't exist anymore, and we somehow have this unknowable knowledge. He's shutting off the transmitter out of fear.

Apologies for slight Gaster tangent there, your thoughts on Kris being shaken up by the Spamton fight just reminded me of some things I've been mulling over for a while.
 
One of noelle's blogposts on the spamton sweepstakes page mentions Kris playfully allowing susie to bully him and sniff his hair. Link
>"One day, your mom's gonna get sick of you, you little freak. And as soon as that happens..."
>Susie laughed. I felt genuinely sick.
>"Someone might make you disappear. And she'll finally realize how happy she was without you."
>But after all that,
>Kris didn't say anything at all.
>Susie EXPLODED.
>It felt like her voice echoed around the room forever.
>Then, when it finally went quiet,
>Kris's mouth looked like it moved.
>To be honest, moved so slightly, I couldn't even tell if they said something, or what, but whatever it was, Susie's attitude... suddenly completely changed.
>She let go of Kris, backing off quickly, then left the room in such a hurry, she easily would have won today's "leaving first" race.


What do we think he said to her?
I like the idea of "You're crying." or "I know."
 
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