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Many people are saying the Epstein files were not released because Trump was on them, but after some thinking that is not the case. If he was, that would have been the holy grail to the dems, a weapon that would have put trump in jail for life. They have already shown us they are willing to use anything and everything to stop Trump, no matter how underhanded. If he was on the island they would have pulled out that evidence during his trial during the Biden admin and put him away for good. But that is not the case. There was no evidence of this, or they would have already used it by now.

The only other options I can think of is either its being kept by Trump for use as leverage against others, or the files do not exist or were destroyed.

While the moral and correct thing would be to release the files if they exist, politics is a dirty, dirty, game. Trump knows this, and a full client list or sex tapes of Epstein island is the perfect leverage against who knows how many political opponenets. Thinking as a politician would, to throw away such a tool would be foolish. This is what i beleive is actually happening, but we will have to see.

And then there is the option where the files simply do not exist or were destroyed. It could be that around the time Epstein was arrested, the evidence was simply destroyed by a 3 letter agency. Or the evidence is scattered all over the place and still has yet to be found. Or there was just not much evidence to begin with. Or of could have fallen into the wrong hands, like the Mossad, China, etc
 
Could this be a double-edged sword on the Left. If Trump takes this to the supreme court, he could put the court in a position where birth-right citizenship could get undone entirely, right?
The only way a court can undo birthright citizenship is to interpret these words to mean something different than what they plainly mean:

"all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside"

If those words can mean something different than what they plainly say then so can the First and Second Amendments and that's the whole ballgame.
 
The only other options I can think of is either its being kept by Trump for use as leverage against others, or the files do not exist or were destroyed.
People more powerful than Trump put him back in his place. Both the dems and repubs acknowledge the list existed. Maxwell was charged based on the list. Musk and Trump fell out over the list. Bondi and Patel said they had their list on the desk.
The list existed. The logs exist. The data is there to find out who went to that Island. It isn't released because (probably Mossad) have said "shut it down".
 
Lower courts: Ahh the Higher courts have made there ruling, now let the man enforce it.

then the parrot calls someone a nigger during a funeral.
That cuts both ways. Trump could tell the lower courts to pound sand. "the lower courts have made there ruling, now let them enforce it".

Musk and Trump fell out over the list.
That's bullshit. Musk fell out with Trump over Trump cutting subsidies for EVs and green energy in the BBB.

Musk loves vague posting about Trump and his allies being "in the files". Which could just mean they're mentioned in there. In passing. Not that they're on the client list. People just assume Musk means "on the client list" because Trump and co. could sue Musk for slander/libel if he came out and said Trump is a pedo / on epstein's client list. Vague posting allows him to wind up people's imaginations and still not be in trouble for slander/libel.
 
Many people are saying the Epstein files were not released because Trump was on them, but after some thinking that is not the case. If he was, that would have been the holy grail to the dems, a weapon that would have put trump in jail for life. They have already shown us they are willing to use anything and everything to stop Trump, no matter how underhanded. If he was on the island they would have pulled out that evidence during his trial during the Biden admin and put him away for good. But that is not the case. There was no evidence of this, or they would have already used it by now.

The only other options I can think of is either its being kept by Trump for use as leverage against others, or the files do not exist or were destroyed.

While the moral and correct thing would be to release the files if they exist, politics is a dirty, dirty, game. Trump knows this, and a full client list or sex tapes of Epstein island is the perfect leverage against who knows how many political opponenets. Thinking as a politician would, to throw away such a tool would be foolish. This is what i beleive is actually happening, but we will have to see.

And then there is the option where the files simply do not exist or were destroyed. It could be that around the time Epstein was arrested, the evidence was simply destroyed by a 3 letter agency. Or the evidence is scattered all over the place and still has yet to be found. Or there was just not much evidence to begin with. Or of could have fallen into the wrong hands, like the Mossad, China, etc
That data is either gone or actively being used by the glowies. Let's not mince words. It's not a list. It is tapes and recordings of politicians fucking kids. These files were used to control them. Either they got burned on the spot or they now have a new owner not named Mossad. The fact that their existence was ever disclosed to the public was a massive opsec fail. Nobody was supposed to know about Mossads little game. But then we did, and now they're trying to put the genie back in the bottle.
 
Many people are saying the Epstein files were not released because Trump was on them, but after some thinking that is not the case. If he was, that would have been the holy grail to the dems, a weapon that would have put trump in jail for life. They have already shown us they are willing to use anything and everything to stop Trump, no matter how underhanded. If he was on the island they would have pulled out that evidence during his trial during the Biden admin and put him away for good. But that is not the case. There was no evidence of this, or they would have already used it by now.

The only other options I can think of is either its being kept by Trump for use as leverage against others, or the files do not exist or were destroyed.

While the moral and correct thing would be to release the files if they exist, politics is a dirty, dirty, game. Trump knows this, and a full client list or sex tapes of Epstein island is the perfect leverage against who knows how many political opponenets. Thinking as a politician would, to throw away such a tool would be foolish. This is what i beleive is actually happening, but we will have to see.

And then there is the option where the files simply do not exist or were destroyed. It could be that around the time Epstein was arrested, the evidence was simply destroyed by a 3 letter agency. Or the evidence is scattered all over the place and still has yet to be found. Or there was just not much evidence to begin with. Or of could have fallen into the wrong hands, like the Mossad, China, etc
I'm going to go with the boring, 'nothing ever happens' answer and say it was probably all destroyed long ago. This is another case of Trump bloviating and promising to deliver on something he never really understood how to. Like claiming he'd deliver peace between Russia and Ukraine in 24 hours, but here he seems to have genuinely not understood the kind of backlash he'd get if he didn't deliver.
 
Remember how leftists would continually ignore all the destructive and horrible shit that politicians like Joe Biden and Barack Obama did just because they believed in their plan and agenda and how much we shit on all of them for being dishonest idiots. No I'm not calling for Trump to be impeached like I know certain autists will claim, I just want him to get back on the ball, and I'd like if Trump voters stopped acting like Progressive Democrats, it's not good company to keep. It's pretty unbelievable that Trump is sending US weapons to Ukraine to continue the war and is now shilling for Lindsey Graham and Trump voters are defending it completely because they need to be "True Believers" in a politician. Lunatic shit.

You can keep saying "Trump is playing the real political game bro" but you're a gullible and naive dumbass if you say that, the same exact argument could have been made for every fucked up decision any Democrat made in office, and that axcuse has been made for the Democrats before. Everyone can see the patterns. It's not a coincidence that Trump is shilling the biggest Ukraine fetishist after Trump says we need to keep funding the Ukraine War, bombs Iran for Israel, and very suddenly blocks any discussion of Jeffery Epstein. There's something fucked up going on in the White House.
 
The only way a court can undo birthright citizenship is to interpret these words to mean something different than what they plainly mean:

"all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside"

If those words can mean something different than what they plainly say then so can the First and Second Amendments and that's the whole ballgame.
That bridge has already been crossed. 'Shall not be infringed' is pretty cut and dry yet we have reams upon reams of gun regulations out there. Speech has been violated multiple times, like the sedition act, or jailing journalists for publishing confidential material. Even the 'fire in the crowded theatre' line was originally used to shut up a bunch of Yids who were bitching about an ongoing war. Government regularly used religiously-motivated lists of 'hate groups' to try and quash advocacy in certain sectors. This idea that once a line is crossed it can never be uncrossed is a gross oversimplification. Just look at Roe and how they tortured the 14th amendment into a right to an abortion. Precedent can be set, and precedent can be overturned, because despite all the pomposity courts are at the end of the day just another political organ. And if you allow people to use the Bill of Rights to import millions upon millions of retarded jeets, spics, and niggers and make them, their spawn, and their entire extended family citizens you can just wipe your ass with the Constitution because that's all it will be worth at that point.

Looks like there's some wiggle room in 'jurisdiction thereof' for a creative judge to wedge themselves into.
 
The only way a court can undo birthright citizenship is to interpret these words to mean something different than what they plainly mean:

"all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside"

If those words can mean something different than what they plainly say then so can the First and Second Amendments and that's the whole ballgame.
We need to bring in a team of rabbis specially trained to reinterpret and subvert plainly written laws, I agree. But I've studied the jewish mindset an awful lot, so let me give it a shot.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States," does not necessarily mean born or naturalized within in the physical borders of the United States, bubelah, but "in" the sociocultural sphere of the American superconscious of which only White English-speakers can partake. See? After all, how can you materially demarcate an abstraction like the state?
 
Yeah, but about that whole 'drain the swamp thing'.... I guess it's OK when we do it? Again?
The new narrative is that "Everything Trump promised is just a meme bro lol" to excuse any possible fuck up from Trump. Pretty much Democrat levels of desperation and delusion from Trump's voters which is very demoralizing for me personally. I don't want to see trump's voters sink to the lows that typical leftist voters sink so they can be "True Believers" but here we are.
 
It's an official inquiry so it is an investigation. He is under caution. He absolutely has the right to take the fifth.

No. The invocation of your rights cannot ever be used as a negative inference. It would be like a cop making a negative inference and using that negative inference as probable cause because when he asked to search your house you demanded to see a warrant.

Obviously it makes him look like a piece of shit, but legally there's no consequences for taking the fifth, as intended. If Congress wants what he has to say that bad, they will have to give him immunity, which will force him to answer those questions, because you cannot take the fifth to prevent self incrimination if you are not at risk of prosecution. It happens in criminal cases all the time. We'll see what happens.
This is a small tangent, but the fifth amendment is airtight, and lawyers often get set on fire when they try to assume something from the the silence/invocation of the 5th. Here is one of the most well known times a judge was spitting fire over it.
 
Very little. They're already starting to see foundational issues with their older infrastructure - nothing explicitly negligent or incompetent, just that shit like mega highways and dams wear out over forty years. But their face saving is demanding they don't acknowledge it, as the decay and eventual destruction being addressed now makes someone look retarded or incompetent for letting it get this bad, and spending money on maintenance instead of letting it get bad means your paying to fix someone else's future problem rather than buffing your reputation and legacy here and now. Waiting until it implodes is just an unfortunate act of god, we didn't do anything wrong. This attitude will destroy so much of what they built.
I rate this post winner.

But this is a problem in every country. America has this problem pretty bad, too. Except maybe we made stuff with better materials, so while China's 30 year old stuff is starting to fall about, America's 90 year old stuff is starting to fall apart.
 
That bridge has already been crossed. 'Shall not be infringed' is pretty cut and dry yet we have reams upon reams of gun regulations out there. Speech has been violated multiple times, like the sedition act, or jailing journalists for publishing confidential material. Even the 'fire in the crowded theatre' line was originally used to shut up a bunch of Yids who were bitching about an ongoing war. Government regularly used religiously-motivated lists of 'hate groups' to try and quash advocacy in certain sectors. This idea that once a line is crossed it can never be uncrossed is a gross oversimplification. Just look at Roe and how they tortured the 14th amendment into a right to an abortion. Precedent can be set, and precedent can be overturned, because despite all the pomposity courts are at the end of the day just another political organ. And if you allow people to use the Bill of Rights to import millions upon millions of retarded jeets, spics, and niggers and make them, their spawn, and their entire extended family citizens you can just wipe your ass with the Constitution because that's all it will be worth at that point.

Looks like there's some wiggle room in 'jurisdiction thereof' for a creative judge to wedge themselves into.
There's no need for wiggle room or creativity. Last I checked, they're still citizens of the country they came from, thus under their jurisdiction, no?
 
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