Mega Rad Gun Thread

Also, between a CZ Bren 2 (the 3 probably won't be in the USA anytime soon) and a B&T APC 5.56mm.... which one to get for a Euro short stroke rifle?
Now we're really getting into my field of expertise. I'm a total AR18/AR180 snob who has gone through almost everything on the current market from Tommybuilt G36s to Scar 16s, CZs and APC rifles. Of course just the words "euro short stroke rifle" should be enough to banish every single poor within earshot. The CZ Bren 2 is running at around exactly 2000$ while the APC223 whether in pistol form (8", 10" or 12" barrel) is going to run you right above 3000$ which is Scar territory. Given the massive price difference between the two it's going to be difficult for me to argue against the Bren 2 given its combat tested capabilities. There's plenty of aftermarket for it, and you're going to need it because the handguards that ship with Bren pistols above 8" in barrel length just look plain ugly. The action from what I remember is nice and the gun is fully ambidextrous. IIRC they also ship with a buffer tube adapter from the factory so you can fit an AR pistol brace with ease.

The APC223 on the other hand is one I have a LOT more experience with. It comes in a lot heavier with my 12" one coming in a pound or two heavier than a stock M4A1 block I. The APC223 is gas adjustable with a basic suppressed and unsuppressed setting, and the gun is reliable according to my testing with 5.56x45 M193 and 77 gr 5.56. The machining work done on the APC is mind bogglingly smooth, and it translates into a better shooting experience whenever I go and take it out. My model has a reciprocating charging handle but from my understanding this has been phased out and they should all be non reciprocating as of the latest generation. Just like with the Bren 2 the gun is fully ambidextrous, with controls fully mirrored and closer to a MP7 if you've ever had the luxury of handling a real one. Swapping stocks is incredibly easy (MUCH easier than the Bren), and the gun from front to back is essentially a "Swiss Scar" as they say. Even the piston design and disassembly is the same as a Scar 16.
There is one major flaw if you're going to go for the APC556/223, and it's the fact that when you're shooting the handguard is going to get hot quite fast. Not enough to burn you or cause any serious damage, but certainly to the point where it's noticeable. You'll probably need to wear a glove for your offhand, or SBR it with a good VFG to make the most use out of it. That being said it is 100% Swiss made in pistol configuration. But do you really get 1000 dollars plus more gun when going for the APC223 over a Bren 2? I'm not entirely sure of that. For that price just throw a roll of cash at your local dealer and get a Scar 16 TBH.
 
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>Really love Swiss firearms
>Want a genuine Swiss made SIG 551
>Look on GunJoker
>That'll be 7000 shekels


It hurts so fucking much. IIRC prices are that bad here just because GayTF ended up slashing JDI Firearms by the ankles so they could only bring in so many "pistols" (rifles without stocks) into the country at once.
Maybe if I fly my ass to Switzerland and annoy Karl Brügger enough he'll import them through B&T for the low low price of 5000$ before a scalper markup of another 3000$.

Want your jimmies rustled? The owner of Swiss Arms USA is such a good little shabbos goy for boomer's he's stated he could import far more 55X's but chooses not to so he doesn't crash the collectors market.
 
Ok so I've spent the past week or so shopping for 10/22s and learning what to look for, does this look like a pretty good deal?


Seems like it has aftermarket stock that's recommended, optics ready, and a threaded barrel so I can attach a suppressor at some point.
Yup it was an off the shelf thing at one point. Personally not bad deal price wise. My body I do not like that angle of the stock but ymmv.

If you want a 10/22 to pimp she's ready to rock and Magpul makes good stuff. Price seems fair.
 
Yup it was an off the shelf thing at one point. Personally not bad deal price wise. My body I do not like that angle of the stock but ymmv.

If you want a 10/22 to pimp she's ready to rock and Magpul makes good stuff. Price seems fair.

It's $282 when you add to cart because of some kind of Texas loophole I guess. Is there anything I should email the dude to ask before purchasing? Like if it's new and not used? I'm assuming so but first time purchasing
 
It's $282 when you add to cart because of some kind of Texas loophole I guess. Is there anything I should email the dude to ask before purchasing? Like if it's new and not used? I'm assuming so but first time purchasing
Are you going to pick it up in person or need it shipped?
If the second you will want to email about where you want it sent. It's going to have to go to a gun dealer and at the pick up dealer you'll do your paperwork.

You're new and nothing is wrong with asking anything if they are not nice go elsewhere. Kinda like anything else. As far as what im seeing it appears as a new rifle.

Oh and expect to buy lots of ammo, thankfully 22 is cheap well cheap compared lol. Used to be under a penny a pop.

Welcome to the hobby
 
Want your jimmies rustled? The owner of Swiss Arms USA is such a good little shabbos goy for boomer's he's stated he could import far more 55X's but chooses not to so he doesn't crash the collectors market.
Appreciate this little bit of enraging knowledge. Of all the non reasons to not import arms this is probably the worst one yet. Imagine how much they could be making themselves and not making boomer scalpers!
expect to buy lots of ammo, thankfully 22 is cheap well cheap compared lol.
Depends on how much he plans to shoot. .22lr is fun enough that I shoot it frequently, enough that I buy a thousand or so rounds in bulk when I restock. One thousand rounds would last some people I know a decade or two as they shoot super infrequently.
 
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Can anyone inform me as to what suppress
Suppressor is a prototype model from a company called RRWeapons

I have a vague memory of reading about something similar to this

From the people who brought you those little single shot bolt action 5.7's comes a QD slip over breaching shotgun thingy that isn't very clear asbout whether it uses blanks of live ammo (Blanks would be required to not disintegrate the shotshell but it seems to imply "follow on" capability that is the ability to fire the shotshell and instantly transition to regular ammo based on the actions of the actors in the video)
 
With my family out of the country for a couple of weeks and all my bills covered for now, I've been able to splurge a bit for my birthday thats coming up soon. I ordered myself a MagPul DAKA 53 hard case and a stock for my Vector. Lingle Industries said they won't have any more ExoLock stocks in stock for a couple months, so in the meantime I decided to get one of the Gen 2 Vector stocks modified to mount to 1913 rail by Haga Defense. I've found someone close by who does laser engraving that I'm gonna hit up either tomorrow after work or on Monday. My EOTech EXPS-2 should be here tomorrow. I've been sniffing around for a high quality sling for the Vector. Haven't decided if I want to go single point or two point. I'll keep you fuckers updated on the progress as it happens.
 
I'll keep you fuckers updated on the progress as it happens.
Please do. The RPTR coming out soon has caused me to move the Vector up my to-buy list.

Unless you have a very specific mission in mind (like being posted inside a vehicle or something) that would justify a 1 point sling, I would say a 2 point sling is universally better even with an SMG/PCC/whatever the civvy Vector is considered.

Its not like slings are that expensive Mr. EOTech, you could experiment with both and let us know. I really like the Magpul MS1 - it just works.
 
FBI declared it unfit for duty along with the P320. Even if the 365 doesn't have shake awake technology like it's big brother their finishes have been dogshit and seems like everything to come out of NH since Cohen came to power has shit quality control.
The report said nothing about the P365 and afaik it doesn't shoot by itself
The APC223 on the other hand is one I have a LOT more experience with. It comes in a lot heavier with my 12" one coming in a pound or two heavier than a stock M4A1 block I. The APC223 is gas adjustable with a basic suppressed and unsuppressed setting, and the gun is reliable according to my testing with 5.56x45 M193 and 77 gr 5.56. The machining work done on the APC is mind bogglingly smooth, and it translates into a better shooting experience whenever I go and take it out. My model has a reciprocating charging handle but from my understanding this has been phased out and they should all be non reciprocating as of the latest generation. Just like with the Bren 2 the gun is fully ambidextrous, with controls fully mirrored and closer to a MP7 if you've ever had the luxury of handling a real one. Swapping stocks is incredibly easy (MUCH easier than the Bren), and the gun from front to back is essentially a "Swiss Scar" as they say. Even the piston design and disassembly is the same as a Scar 16.
There is one major flaw if you're going to go for the APC556/223, and it's the fact that when you're shooting the handguard is going to get hot quite fast. Not enough to burn you or cause any serious damage, but certainly to the point where it's noticeable. You'll probably need to wear a glove for your offhand, or SBR it with a good VFG to make the most use out of it.
Urg.... I'd be getting the 16 inch rifle versions of either.

The APC at that config is ~.5lbs or maybe 1lb more than the comparable Bren 2.

The Bren 2 at 16 inches isn't exactly light either.

I'm just miffed CZ isn't giving us the Bren 3 NOW and that they might pull a Bren 805 and immediately kill all parts and support to the Bren 2 of the 3 arrives here.

Also, all APCs made in I think the last year have non reciprocating charging handles.

In a perfect world I'd just get both.

As for LONG STROKE.... JAKL 2.0 because I'm not dropping $5k+ on a Sig 550....
 
I'm just miffed CZ isn't giving us the Bren 3 NOW and that they might pull a Bren 805 and immediately kill all parts and support to the Bren 2 of the 3 arrives here.

Also, all APCs made in I think the last year have non reciprocating charging handles.

In a perfect world I'd just get both.

As for LONG STROKE.... JAKL 2.0 because I'm not dropping $5k+ on a Sig 550....
TBH It's a tough call to make. Modern AR18/180 derivatives are fucking sick, especially if you're looking to run suppressed very often. The issue is that you're going to lay down some heavy cash either way and if you want the battle proven "best of the best" I'd just settle for a Scar 16s. Barring that naturally, you have the Bren, the APC, the Crusader Arms Templar, and not much else. The Templar is interesting because for some reason AR18s get looked over in Cuckada quite often which leads them to being unrestricted items.

APCs are machined in house and IIRC they get their barrel blanks from a company in Germany and go about finishing those in house too. The 16 inch versions though I'm not entirely sure. Due to them being rifles and having to deal with 922r bullshit they typically come with an American made magpul grip, a positively disgusting 2.5 pound Elftmann trigger and a few other 922r compliant parts. One big thing the APC has over something like the Scar however is that you won't void your warranty putting a can on it, and is built from the ground up to be suppressed in the first place.

As for the JAKL... well, lets just say that I wouldn't even waste my money. Poverty state armory relies on its volume based sales model, which means sleazily marketing and selling the shit out of the newest toy that they push out before it has even been beta tested properly. If it's just the long stroke piston operation you're looking for you can get a PWS for under 2 grand if I recall. If it's a true AK/AR hybrid you're after in that regard the Galil Ace is a solid option. My only issue is that they massacred my boy with the Gen 2 update and removed the excellent iron sights. IWI briefly imported the Ace 22 & 21 which were 5.56 AKs with rock n' lock magazines with a bolt hold open and everything, basically being the closest thing to a 550 you could get here stateside.
 
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As for the JAKL... well, lets just say that I wouldn't even waste my money. Poverty state armory relies on its volume based sales model, which means sleazily marketing and selling the shit out of the newest toy that they push out before it has even been beta tested properly. If it's just the long stroke piston operation you're looking for you can get a PWS for under 2 grand if I recall. If it's a true AK/AR hybrid you're after in that regard the Galil Ace is a solid option
I already have an Israeli long stroke, the X-95.

The Galil Ace is RETARDEDLY overpriced for what it is. It's also FAT in Gen 2 form. Meh from me.

PWS.... It's an AR upper with a LS piston system.

I'd rather get something different.

As for PSA, there's a reason you wait 6-12 months after they launch a product to see if it's worth it.

The JAKL needed a tweaked gas system and charging handle track. Beyond that's it's actually a pretty simple AK/AR hybrid design. The 2.0 will probably get their FN barrels too.
 
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This. Most people who have the cash for a suppressor can afford the $200 tax stamp. This is partly why the $0 tax stamp is a slap to the face.
It’s a step. We’ve come a long way in my life in the 2A. Through the most harrowing years where it seemed like all was lost and even owning a semi auto seems forlorn a $0 dollar tax stamp feels like a fever dream of unimaginable proportion.
 
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