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I'm personally not a fan of retconning Q to be mortal like they did in Picard (Only watched the Q clips and skipped that show).
On a long enough timescale, everything is "mortal", I reckon. If I were to think about it, I'd just assume it was Q from an infinitely far distant future, coming back to fuck with Picard one last time before he moves on to some fundamentally new mode of existence, which he frames as "dying" because humans wouldn't understand. One which he might even fear a little, because it represents the sort of change that the Q don't typically experience. Of course, that would require giving thought to that abortion of a series...
 
In at least one of the novels, Trelane is of the Q Continuum himself.
Yeah we went over it before. It's this one.
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I liked Jadzia, but I’ll admit Terry’s charm carried her a long way in making the character likable.

Early on, the writers were betting heavily on the “alien feeling” of a young woman being referred to as an “old man” and being so knowledgeable. But that didn’t land as much, because Star Trek isn’t a stranger to smart, young-looking characters. So they mostly relied on Sisko reminding us she used to be an old guy to sell it.

Her being immature and mischievous was a feature, not a bug—and she was especially at her best when Worf was around. He was so serious, and she was the opposite; they brought out the best in each other. The fact that she carried so much baggage, knowledge, and life experience, yet still broke the mold by being playful—instead of philosophical and speech-prone like, say, Picard—made her interesting and unique.

She was meant more as a “fun friend.” She wasn’t the adult in the room like Janeway. For all her experience and knowledge, she was one of the crew, one that would play with the holodeck, gossip. and go for drinks after work. I never got the feeling Dax overall was a responsible person—and neither was Jadzia. And I felt that was intentional. I get why some people might not like her, but I think that’s just a matter of taste.
I do agree; flaws are what makes characters interesting and intruiging. Dax is perhaps the weakest of the DS9 cast, but she still has much more stuff going on than say Geordi or Troi. And that is what makes her death so damn pointless. I expected Jadzia to go out in a ball of flames with the Defiant during a massive fire fight instead of getting murderised by Dukat in what essentially was the back alley of the space station.
 
Season 3, get Patrick the fuck out of the writers room.
I liked how the ending was a big fuck you to the previous writers' room. Q was just done with Jean-Luc

Season two, what if Q was facing his mortality and Trump gets elected again and the mortality of the USA.
Season 2 was Patrick Stewart vetoing any story inspired by COVID so instead it was a checklist of leftist socio-political crap filmed during the COVID restrictions.
 
I do agree; flaws are what makes characters interesting and intruiging. Dax is perhaps the weakest of the DS9 cast, but she still has much more stuff going on than say Geordi or Troi. And that is what makes her death so damn pointless. I expected Jadzia to go out in a ball of flames with the Defiant during a massive fire fight instead of getting murderised by Dukat in what essentially was the back alley of the space station.
Jadzia's death sucked because it was clearly a vindictive thing done by Rick Berman because he didn't like Terry Farrell, who got sick of dealing with him. It's an open secret that Berman is an asshole and he basically told Farrell to do another full season and like it, or leave. So she left and did Becker instead.
 
Jadzia's death sucked because it was clearly a vindictive thing done by Rick Berman because he didn't like Terry Farrell, who got sick of dealing with him. It's an open secret that Berman is an asshole and he basically told Farrell to do another full season and like it, or leave. So she left and did Becker instead.
Like that wise chinaman in Africa once said: It's all so tiresome.
 
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He would have been the final boss in alcoholic drinking contest that decides the fate of the quadrant.
Neither curzon nor damar could ever hope to win a drinking contest against the most alcoholic andorian in the quadrant:

After all he's a graduate of the most alcoholic campus starfleet academy has:
 
Jadzia's death sucked because it was clearly a vindictive thing done by Rick Berman because he didn't like Terry Farrell, who got sick of dealing with him.
They had the perfect set up with Worf having to decide if she lives or dies earlier in the season. Literally perfect. If he decided to save her and she died anyway, or he did his duty and got the defector out it would've put DS9 on an even higher level than it already is.
 
They had the perfect set up with Worf having to decide if she lives or dies earlier in the season. Literally perfect. If he decided to save her and she died anyway, or he did his duty and got the defector out it would've put DS9 on an even higher level than it already is.
yeah I was dimly aware the actress left the show so I was very surprised that wasn't how they wrote her off
 
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I liked Jadzia, but I’ll admit Terry’s charm carried her a long way in making the character likable.

Early on, the writers were betting heavily on the “alien feeling” of a young woman being referred to as an “old man” and being so knowledgeable. But that didn’t land as much, because Star Trek isn’t a stranger to smart, young-looking characters. So they mostly relied on Sisko reminding us she used to be an old guy to sell it.

Her being immature and mischievous was a feature, not a bug—and she was especially at her best when Worf was around. He was so serious, and she was the opposite; they brought out the best in each other. The fact that she carried so much baggage, knowledge, and life experience, yet still broke the mold by being playful—instead of philosophical and speech-prone like, say, Picard—made her interesting and unique.

She was meant more as a “fun friend.” She wasn’t the adult in the room like Janeway. For all her experience and knowledge, she was one of the crew, one that would play with the holodeck, gossip. and go for drinks after work. I never got the feeling Dax overall was a responsible person—and neither was Jadzia. And I felt that was intentional. I get why some people might not like her, but I think that’s just a matter of taste.
I feel like what made her work was more how she interacted with other characters like Sisko, Kira, and Worf.
I can't remember it's been a while so can someone refresh me, but what excuse does Ezri give seeking out the Siskos in New Orleans? Why are some past relationships forbidden when others aren't? Is it just for trill + trill?

I'm thinking it would have been better no Ezri, then them seeking out the new Dax host who says "sorry but I don't want to associate with you." That would have been some harsh drama and fewer lovesick shenanigans. Especially if the new host was male, what would Worf say?
It's even weirder than Ezri assumes Worf would want to restart their relationship even though Jadzia's, you know, dead.
Picard may be smiling, but I bet if he saw Q and Trelane in the same room, this is what he'd be like.
And that is what makes her death so damn pointless. I expected Jadzia to go out in a ball of flames with the Defiant during a massive fire fight instead of getting murderised by Dukat in what essentially was the back alley of the space station.
I suppose the point is to show how pointless war can be and how some people can just drop dead, but it's the same problem as Tasha Yar's death. It's just too abrupt to really see it as anything as but a shock death.
 
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Jadzia's death was ruined because she got caught up in the blue hair jew's jihad against Dukat for daring to be a heckin fascist nazi deathcamp ooperator that fans actually kind of liked or found sympathetic despite all the gentle pats on the head and best efforts to make them feel otherwise heretofore. Eventually he just dropped all subtlety and turned him into a literal demon that killed off not one but two main cast members. Surely the audience will hate him now!

Kind of sad actually because I thought Dukat was such a great villain precisely because he was so charming and not only outwardly but inwardly self decieving and rationalizing. He was great at making you contemplate the possibility that he truly had changed, even a little and that there was hope for him. But we eventually figure out that the only one he ever truly cared about was himself. He gratified himself by acquiring power. And he acquired power by service to the Cardassian state, or even the Dominion. But why continue a deep well thought out character that is sympathetic at times while still ultimately letting you down and betraying you for his own ends? Much better to just turn him into a red eye fire devil and have him oooga boooga jadzia to death to finally force the audience to see him in black and white rather than allow them to come to that conclusion on their own, naturally, and risk the chance that some might never get there.

I'm sure Berman was all too happy to go along with the idea, and that contributed to just how dismissively pathetic her death was. They can both share the blame as far as I'm concerned. For the Federation to be in the middle of its greatest war in history and have her get yeeted by dukablo was a damned shame.
 
What I always found silly with Jadzia was she married Worf. Since she likes Klingon culture and its people as the former ambassador to Q'onos and helped Kor, Kang, and Koloth (in-universe celebrities in the Empire) with their revenge plot, she would pick one that knows how to play hard. Instead, she picks Worf, the guy that cares more about repairing the port stabilizers instead of drinking until Kurn talked him into going on a bender. So, can she really be surprised when Worf rains on her parade?
 
What I always found silly with Jadzia was she married Worf. Since she likes Klingon culture and its people as the former ambassador to Q'onos and helped Kor, Kang, and Koloth (in-universe celebrities in the Empire) with their revenge plot, she would pick one that knows how to play hard. Instead, she picks Worf, the guy that cares more about repairing the port stabilizers instead of drinking until Kurn talked him into going on a bender. So, can she really be surprised when Worf rains on her parade?
Worf was Abbott and Jadzia was Costello. It's a classic trope.

I think Bashir got really fucked with the whole genetically engineered addition. In fact, the writers wanted to play it up more and it got to the point that Siddig started throwing the lines to get the writers to stop it. Apparently, it worked. I don't think Bashir needed anything to make him more interesting because his whole "rosy-eyed Federation optimist learning how the galaxy works" arc was perfect. No one else in the cast was as optimistic as him so it was his niche from the beginning.
 
What I always found silly with Jadzia was she married Worf. Since she likes Klingon culture and its people as the former ambassador to Q'onos and helped Kor, Kang, and Koloth (in-universe celebrities in the Empire) with their revenge plot, she would pick one that knows how to play hard. Instead, she picks Worf, the guy that cares more about repairing the port stabilizers instead of drinking until Kurn talked him into going on a bender. So, can she really be surprised when Worf rains on her parade?
Haha, are you expecting women to know what they want? lol, lmao even. No, in all seriousness: that marriage would have ended in disaster. Sirella was right all along.
 
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